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What is going on here? W/ sales (1 Viewer)

viet rounder said:
I totally agree that it's possible to create a nice set with moderate edgespot complexity.


Well this is part of my upcomming set and I will tell you it's not going to be cheap.

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Love where this set is going! Nice work. If I could make one small suggestion though...

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RainmanTrail said:
Love where this set is going! Nice work. If I could make one small suggestion though...

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Sorry if I sound dumb but are you suggesting I change the background colour? I need to play with that tool a little more. Not too savvy with it
 
viet rounder said:
Sorry if I sound dumb but are you suggesting I change the background colour? I need to play with that tool a little more. Not too savvy with it
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Ya, you can change the background color to something more neutral. Helps the set colors pop more and is less distracting than the default puke green color.
 
viet rounder said:
Sorry if I sound dumb but are you suggesting I change the background colour? I need to play with that tool a little more. Not too savvy with it
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You'll have to forgive @RainmanTrail here. I believe he has an aversion to that puke green color. Oh, and dayglow saturn, even more so than puke green.

DG Saturn is the least useful and least aesthetically pleasing of the CPC colors, that much the two of us agree on :tup:

I have the same aversion to brown chips. Different strokes for different folks.
 
RainmanTrail said:
Ya, you can change the background color to something more neutral. Helps the set colors pop more and is less distracting than the default puke green color.
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Just trying to tie to the OP. Are you suggesting we all change or just @viet rounder !!??!!
 
DZPoker said:
Just trying to tie to the OP. Are you suggesting we all change or just @viet rounder !!??!!
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This suggestion applies equally to everyone, including CPC. The puke green background color as an option for the chip design tool should be done away with. Especially as the default. Say no to puke green!
 
RainmanTrail said:
This suggestion applies equally to everyone, including CPC. The puke green background color as an option for the chip design tool should be done away with. Especially as the default. Say no to puke green!
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just to be clear...what was the OP???
 
Josh Kifer said:
..... I thought we were cool. Then you say these things....
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I didn't say I didn't like the Browns, the football team. Just brown chips. They just don't do it for me. :bag:
 
Tommy said:
Beautiful inlay design. Has a Studio 54 vibe. That five though! :tup::tup:
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Also forgot to add that $5 chip is one reason why I haven’t pulled the trigger on this set yet. I put a lot of effort (and money) on it because it’s my workhorse chip ($200 NL). But our stakes will likely increase in the next 5x years so I am debating on whether to use it as a $25 chip. This has been a reoccurring problem with most of my previous custom set. We basically move up in stakes and the nice chip is left behind as a gatekeeper
 
upNdown said:
Has that ever happened? I can't remember seeing a set of customs sell for CPC retail, let alone whatever the additional costs were (like art.)
But this idea of selling CPC customs seems so foreign to me. If and when I order CPC customs, they'll be mine for life. Parting with them would be like a divorce.
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Ben book warning*** read at your own risk!! Lmao

Just reading some of this thread... wanted to comment on this one. I paid the full price for the Silver Tounged Devils which also came with the rights to add on to the set. I would do the same if Pillage and plunder or Rosie's Bayou ever became available.

Chips are artwork to me, even better as it actually has a use! People spent countless hours designing their customs and if they truly knock it out of the park and ever decide to move on to another set and you find them to be perfect in every way... are they really not worth what that person has invested in them??

Now truly personalized chips like "Nicks Poker Club" sure all you can do is pray you find a dude named Nick to purchase them, other wise you are basically selling them for relabeled chips and I couldn't agree more that 50% would probably be max value.

But a general chip design like Pillage and Plunder? Everyone can relate to the theme, absolutely amazing chips through the entire progression and in the HOF.... not only do I know they would sell for face value in minutes but even at an increased value because of their popularity within the forum just like a good casino series.

I paid a lot of money to own the Silver Tounged Devils and down to the final 3 last night looking at all those beautiful chips in play!
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I truly have zero regrets and consider myself lucky that Steve reached out and offered them to me first! Maybe I'm an idiot and over paid. But these chips came straight from CPC to me brand new, this guy spent countless hours building the perfect set (for me) it would cost me the same thing if I spent all that time and made them myself (and mine would probably suck and never be on par with this theme) every single place we have played them they get endless compliments. I'm more than happy with my forever investment!!

Ben
 
Wow... Reading this thread was a roller coaster of emotions. I had no idea PCF would be so entertaining!! I figured PCF would allow me to learn a little bit more about chips, ask questions and get educated before getting a new set(s)... but this forum has so much more to offer as you dig deeper and explore. It's also fascinating to read the very different views and opinions people have and to understand some of the history behind this hobby/obsession and this forum in particular - Deep diving on this whole boat chip episode has really made me an expert on using the "search" function.

Part of the theme earlier in the thread were some lamenting the loss of the feeling of a community atmosphere in PCF. However by the time I got to the end of the thread it had morphed in to informative posts for those thinking about going the custom route with CPC which I found to be the exact spirit of community some were feeling the loss of...

All of this is to say that as a new member on PCF I've felt very welcomed with those I've interaced with. I've already learned a ton from reading past posts and when it comes to buying/selling on the classifieds do it with your eyes open AND the "community" aspect of the PCF community is not dead!!!

Also shout out to @Windwalker you've made quite the impression here!!!
 
swana said:
Wow... Reading this thread was a roller coaster of emotions. I had no idea PCF would be so entertaining!! I figured PCF would allow me to learn a little bit more about chips, ask questions and get educated before getting a new set(s)... but this forum has so much more to offer as you dig deeper and explore. It's also fascinating to read the very different views and opinions people have and to understand some of the history behind this hobby/obsession and this forum in particular - Deep diving on this whole boat chip episode has really made me an expert on using the "search" function.

Part of the theme earlier in the thread were some lamenting the loss of the feeling of a community atmosphere in PCF. However by the time I got to the end of the thread it had morphed in to informative posts for those thinking about going the custom route with CPC which I found to be the exact spirit of community some were feeling the loss of...

All of this is to say that as a new member on PCF I've felt very welcomed with those I've interaced with. I've already learned a ton from reading past posts and when it comes to buying/selling on the classifieds do it with your eyes open AND the "community" aspect of the PCF community is not dead!!!

Also shout out to @Windwalker you've made quite the impression here!!!
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The important thing to remember is NOT to get too emotional. It's a hobby and everyone has their own opinion. I think many have learned this from the days of CT. I find for the most part I can actually have an intelligent conversation here on PCF despite having opposite opinions.
 
viet rounder said:
The important thing to remember is NOT to get too emotional. It's a hobby and everyone has their own opinion. I think many have learned this from the days of CT. I find for the most part I can actually have an intelligent conversation here on PCF despite having opposite opinions.
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I agree, I'm just here for the pictures and fart jokes.
 
upNdown said:
if you think @Windwalker hasn’t had any influence on current prices, I’ll just disagree. I think it’s extremely difficult for a single person’s buying and selling activity to have an influence on the chip economy, and yet, I think he’s accomplished just that.
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I spent some time thinking through this comment, and similar ones from the last couple weeks. A comment from @Ben8257 comes to mind, though I can't be bothered to find it. Suffice to say, it was a similar sentiment, around a single individual changing market dynamics.

By the way, this isn't a defense or retort, it's more of an examination, and as such, some thoughts as a new hobbyist / collector of how I see things and pricing from my side. I had some time over the last couple days, and was able to pull together some statistics for this examination. What the data tells is an interesting story that might surprise you.

Let's start with some real data. For the purposes of this exercise, I'll limit the data to average price per chip in full sets that I have bought, as opposed to individual racks of a denomination I may have acquired. The one exception to this will be an analysis of what happened with the Bourbon $5s, and why it caused such a tizzy.

Outside of the numbers below, I have lots of other individual and partial set purchases, some which are in line with "market pricing", and others, which are not. An example of the latter is my cost per chip on the BTP $20 cash, which is north of $24 a chip. On the other hand, my cost per chip on the High Sierra $1000 mint chips is less than $8 a chip. In general, I think individual racks of purchases don't really skew purchases that much, and have to be taken in context.

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Notice a few anomalies. It is ONLY in the case of chips that are either rare, or extremely contained in terms of ownership, that I *chose* to pay a premium to acquire them. Those chips were simply not going to move unless a similar price was paid, period. Maybe they could have been traded after a while, maybe someone would take pity on your long years as a chipper and do you a solid, but for the most part, the anomalies in pricing are within PCF, not outside of it, from people who had to get a fantastic offer in order to feel like they could let go of them.

You'll also notice that even in this shortlist, a significant number of my chips were acquired off-forum, and the prices are almost always better that way. Oh -- and I didn't include any sets that were ONLY acquired off-forum (like the Doc's) because that has no relevance on this thread, the OP, or pricing on PCF.

Here's where this data and perception don't compute: I fail to see a plausible argument that purchasing certain rare items at a premium by an individual could affect the entire pricing landscape of PCF. The RVCLs were simply not available, so it can't be counted; I might argue the same for the Lakeshores and Nevada Lodges. A more plausible explanation is one or more of the following:

- The hobby has reached a "tipping point" and demand far outweighs supply;
- There is a socio-economic disruption in the makeup of the hobbyist, with wealthier people entering the hobby than before;
- We are transitioning from just "hobby" to "collectibles" -- where the context of purchase and use have different motivations.

A note on the Bourbon $5s -- an individual had placed a WTB ad, offering $900 per rack for the chips. I was completely unaware of this, when I made a deal to buy a chipset on PCF for about 40% more. I subsequently found 12 additional racks off-forum, but needed to pay a heavy premium to extricate it, which I was OK with. I think the subsequent noise that ensued was frustration that people were willing to a) sell at stepper prices and b) people (me) were willing to buy at higher prices. Ultimately, people will sell at whatever price someone is willing to pay. For CERTAIN chipsets, I have been (and will continue to be) willing to pay more.

Like I said, this isn't a defense, or explanation. I wanted to examine perception of my own role in market dynamics against real facts.
 
Windwalker said:
A note on the Bourbon $5s -- an individual had placed a WTB ad, offering $900 per rack for the chips. I was completely unaware of this, when I made a deal to buy a chipset on PCF for about 40% more.
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Being the person concerned by this point, I take the liberty to intervene for a single question please. If you had been aware of my research, would it have changed anything in your way of proceeding or in your plans?
 
MilouPilou1 said:
Being the person concerned by this point, I take the liberty to intervene for a single question please. If you had been aware of my research, would it have changed anything in your way of proceeding or in your plans?
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Possibly -- but only to affect negotiations in my own pricing; since I don't know you, not sure I would have collaborated with you on a purchase, if that's what you're asking. To be clear, I offered you a rack at my cost, and you turned it down. That's the most courtesy I could show.
 
Windwalker said:
I spent some time thinking through this comment, and similar ones from the last couple weeks. A comment from @Ben8257 comes to mind, though I can't be bothered to find it. Suffice to say, it was a similar sentiment, around a single individual changing market dynamics.

By the way, this isn't a defense or retort, it's more of an examination, and as such, some thoughts as a new hobbyist / collector of how I see things and pricing from my side. I had some time over the last couple days, and was able to pull together some statistics for this examination. What the data tells is an interesting story that might surprise you.

Let's start with some real data. For the purposes of this exercise, I'll limit the data to average price per chip in full sets that I have bought, as opposed to individual racks of a denomination I may have acquired. The one exception to this will be an analysis of what happened with the Bourbon $5s, and why it caused such a tizzy.

Outside of the numbers below, I have lots of other individual and partial set purchases, some which are in line with "market pricing", and others, which are not. An example of the latter is my cost per chip on the BTP $20 cash, which is north of $24 a chip. On the other hand, my cost per chip on the High Sierra $1000 mint chips is less than $8 a chip. In general, I think individual racks of purchases don't really skew purchases that much, and have to be taken in context.

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Notice a few anomalies. It is ONLY in the case of chips that are either rare, or extremely contained in terms of ownership, that I *chose* to pay a premium to acquire them. Those chips were simply not going to move unless a similar price was paid, period. Maybe they could have been traded after a while, maybe someone would take pity on your long years as a chipper and do you a solid, but for the most part, the anomalies in pricing are within PCF, not outside of it, from people who had to get a fantastic offer in order to feel like they could let go of them.

You'll also notice that even in this shortlist, a significant number of my chips were acquired off-forum, and the prices are almost always better that way. Oh -- and I didn't include any sets that were ONLY acquired off-forum (like the Doc's) because that has no relevance on this thread, the OP, or pricing on PCF.

Here's where this data and perception don't compute: I fail to see a plausible argument that purchasing certain rare items at a premium by an individual could affect the entire pricing landscape of PCF. The RVCLs were simply not available, so it can't be counted; I might argue the same for the Lakeshores and Nevada Lodges. A more plausible explanation is one or more of the following:

- The hobby has reached a "tipping point" and demand far outweighs supply;
- There is a socio-economic disruption in the makeup of the hobbyist, with wealthier people entering the hobby than before;
- We are transitioning from just "hobby" to "collectibles" -- where the context of purchase and use have different motivations.

A note on the Bourbon $5s -- an individual had placed a WTB ad, offering $900 per rack for the chips. I was completely unaware of this, when I made a deal to buy a chipset on PCF for about 40% more. I subsequently found 12 additional racks off-forum, but needed to pay a heavy premium to extricate it, which I was OK with. I think the subsequent noise that ensued was frustration that people were willing to a) sell at stepper prices and b) people (me) were willing to buy at higher prices. Ultimately, people will sell at whatever price someone is willing to pay. For CERTAIN chipsets, I have been (and will continue to be) willing to pay more.

Like I said, this isn't a defense, or explanation. I wanted to examine perception of my own role in market dynamics against real facts.
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Sometimes perception is reality though. Here's my story about that. Early this year I got a decent price on a rack of those gorgeous Aztar $1s. I knew I'd need a second rack, but no rush. I knew a guy who had some racks, but they were priced higher than I wanted to go, so I was happy to wait to see if something cheaper came along. At some point, it became apparent that you were buying a lot of premium chips, and you seemed to have refined your focus to leaded THCs. That's when I got scared and decided to suck it up and pay for a rack while I still could, before you decided that was your next target and bought them up.
So in this case, whether you had contributed to chip shortages or higher prices in reality, didn't actually matter. I saw a force that I thought was affecting the market, and I reacted accordingly. Its just a silly story about a single rack (that I'm very glad I bought) and I'm not passing any kind of judgement with the story. I'm just sharing my perception.
 

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