Tourney How many plaques? (1 Viewer)

[RudysNYC]

So I decided to make 25k plaques for my tournament set from the ceramic group buy. Breakdown is 160/160/80/60/40, running 25/100/500/1k/5k.

How many plaques should I get, within reason while maintaining playability? Will be picking these up from good ol' @BR Pro Poker... thanks in advance everyone

 

[upNdown]

What's your usual starting stack, and how many players and rebuys are there, typically?
(For what it's worth, my guess is you need zero 25ks for a base T25 home tournament)

 

[Poker Zombie]

What's your usual starting stack, and how many players and rebuys are there, typically?
(For what it's worth, my guess is you need zero 25ks for a base T25 home tournament)

Forget "typically"

What is your maximum number of players? Not just now, but going forward? With 160 of your smallest denom, I could see stretching to 20 players, but if you only have tables/seating for 16, then 16 would be your max.

Same goes with rebuys - You should plan for the most you've ever had. For my group, that has been 50% of the field. Typical is about 20%, but one time things got crazy, and I was very pleased to have it covered.

We would arrive at about the same amount, within a few chips (plaques) difference. That difference is a very minor concern price-wise, but a world of relief for the host, should he need them.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I'd also add, do you want the option of other starting stacks? I don't need my ES T100,000s with a T25 base structure, but if I start with a T500 base, those T100,000s are useful.

 

[RudysNYC]

What's your usual starting stack, and how many players and rebuys are there, typically?
(For what it's worth, my guess is you need zero 25ks for a base T25 home tournament)

So I'm kind of getting them in anticipation of a specific event, gonna be about 20 with multiple rebuys. Gonnna be a "go all night" kinda thing

 

[RudysNYC]

I'd also add, do you want the option of other starting stacks?

Yea this was also a thing I was looking at the plaques for, gives the option of not just starting with T25.

 

[Poker Zombie]

So, what is the starting stack for the event? Also, blind levels may be helpful.

Right now, if all your T25s-T1000s are colored up, You would need just 5x T25,000 plaques, keeping all 40 of the T5000s in play. If the tournament is expected to end while the T1000s are still needed for the blinds, only 3 plaques would be needed. Heads-up would have 50 chips per player, which is very manageable.

This isn't to say you can't use more plaques though. Unlimited rebuys is a nebulous calculation to make. It will depend solely on your group. The buy-in to their disposable income, their personal love of the gambol, their fondness of poker, and their desire to hang with the group. With my group, that would be 10 rebuys, covered by (Rebuy Stack)/25,000*10.

Then I would get a couple more, because it's not a lot of money compared to what you are already paying for shipping and the rest of the set.

Hope that helps.

 

[RudysNYC]

So, what is the starting stack for the event? Also, blind levels may be helpful.

Right now, if all your T25s-T1000s are colored up, You would need just 5x T25,000 plaques, keeping all 40 of the T5000s in play. If the tournament is expected to end while the T1000s are still needed for the blinds, only 3 plaques would be needed. Heads-up would have 50 chips per player, which is very manageable.

This isn't to say you can't use more plaques though. Unlimited rebuys is a nebulous calculation to make. It will depend solely on your group. The buy-in to their disposable income, their personal love of the gambol, their fondness of poker, and their desire to hang with the group. With my group, that would be 10 rebuys, covered by (Rebuy Stack)/25,000*10.

Then I would get a couple more, because it's not a lot of money compared to what you are already paying for shipping and the rest of the set.

Hope that helps.

Thanks friend, basically answers my ultimate question which I suppose was "no way in hell I need to order more than MOQ, right?" With a MOQ of 12, seems like I'll be more than covered which is a relief

 

[BGinGA]

Realistically, for a 2-table 10k event, you won't need more than 5. Probably 2-3, tops... if even that. Your set is already short on T1000s, so replacing any with T25K color-ups makes very little sense.... and replacing 60x T1000s (60,000) with T25k plaques requires only two (plus two 5k chips).

As far as larger starting stacks go, you'll need to significantly bump up both your T1000 and T5000 chip counts before that gets past being a painful endeavor.

I run two-table T25-base 30K-stack tournaments with re-buys and T15K add-ons, and never get more than five or six T25K chips in play. There are usually 150x T1000s and 60+ xT5000s on the table, however.

For our T500-base events (T50K to T300K stacks), it's a rack each of T500-T1000-T5000-T25000 per table.

 

[RudysNYC]

Realistically, for a 2-table 10k event, you won't need more than 5. Probably 2-3, tops... if even that. Your set is already short on T1000s, so replacing any with T25K color-ups makes very little sense.... and replacing 60x T1000s (60,000) with T25k plaques requires only two (plus two 5k chips).

As far as larger starting stacks go, you'll need to significantly bump up both your T1000 and T5000 chip counts before that gets past being a painful endeavor.

I run two-table T25-base 30K-stack tournaments with re-buys and T15K add-ons, and never get more than five or six T25K chips in play. There are usually 150x T1000s and 60+ xT5000s on the table, however.

For our T500-base events (T50K to T300K stacks), it's a rack each of T500-T1000-T5000-T25000 per table.

This all makes excellent sense, thanks as always for your input. Decisions decisions...

 

[Poker Zombie]

...and just like that, @RudysNYC starts planning on more T1000s...

 

[Av8tion]

whatever amount you're planning on ordering... you need MOAR...

 

[Colquhoun]

whatever amount you're planning on ordering... you need MOAR...

Agreed! Stacks of 20 or more just look badass...

 

[allforcharity]

If you get T10K plaques, then you can get more! (Heh)

 

[DeeVee8]

 

[JustinInMN]

Breakdown is 160/160/80/60/40, running 25/100/500/1k/5k.

Yeah, I think you need more 1ks for sure. It looks like this set could accommodate 20 stacks of 8/8/4/7 if you added 80-100 T1K chips. Why not forgo the 5K chips and get about 40 5k plaques? 5k makes sense to me as the "plaque" denom in a base T25 set anyway. You could then just introduce the plaques for rebuys, color-ups or deep stack (15K or 20K ) tournaments. Though honestly you probably want more than 40 plaques if you think T20K starting stacks are to be the norm.

But as your breakdown is presently set up All of your chips T25-T5K total T300K, so really T25K plaques don't make a lot of sense, 12 plaques cover the biggest possible tournament you can host with the chips.

But I think you need to decide are you base T25 or T100 on this. T5K plaques for the former, T25K plaques if the latter.

I would suggest the following:
Base T25:

Starting Stack 8/8/4/7 for T10K for 20 players
160/160/80/140 of T25/100/500/1000 for 540 chips and 60 T5K plaques (do all color ups and reentries with plaques)

Base T100:
(I am not as good at Base T100 yet, but based on the couple events I have played)

Starting Stack 10/4/12/7 for T50K for 20 players
200/80/240/140 of T100/500/1000/5000 for 680 chips and 60 T25K plaques (again all color ups and reentries with plaques)

OR for a smaller starting stack (same effective starting stack if 100-100 is the first level)
10/4/7/3 for T25K for 20 players
200/80/140/80 for 500 chips plus 40-60 T25K plaques. (Color up T100 and T500 using T5K chips, rest in plaques)

Personally I find the base T25 arrangement the most pleasing, but of course your mileage may vary.

The main issue is with your breakdown as originally designed is you are too low on T1K chips to the point that breaking T5K chips on the table will prove difficult, and the same is true with not having enough T5K chips to break T25K plaques.

 

[RudysNYC]

Man tournaments are a bitch to handle lol

As always thanks to everyone for the input, sounds like I royally f'd up the breakdown in terms of adaptability so gonna have to figure out how to proceed. Why can't tourneys be as simple as cash games

 

[JustinInMN]

As always thanks to everyone for the input, sounds like I royally f'd up the breakdown in terms of adaptability so gonna have to figure out how to proceed. Why can't tourneys be as simple as cash games

If you aren't "locked in" the group buy yet (I have had my eye on it here and there I don't think they are finalizing orders yet, but I could be wrong) you can make these changes. Even just adding 80-100 T1K chips to your original breakdown solves most issues if you can't amend your current order.

 

[DeeVee8]

Man tournaments are a bitch to handle lol

As always thanks to everyone for the input, sounds like I royally f'd up the breakdown in terms of adaptability so gonna have to figure out how to proceed. Why can't tourneys be as simple as cash games

Because math

As far as how to proceed, you could simply add-on by beefing up your 1k's and maybe some 5k's on top of your existing set. I'd add 5-10 plaques just for the cool factor. My experience has been that late in tournaments, the big stacks like to buy a plaque or two just because it's different (and the smaller stacks can't afford one).

 

[RudysNYC]

Because math

As far as how to proceed, you could simply add-on by beefing up your 1k's and maybe some 5k's on top of your existing set. I'd add 5-10 plaques just for the cool factor. My experience has been that late in tournaments, the big stacks like to buy a plaque or two just because it's different (and the smaller stacks can't afford one).

I'm going to add on to the 1ks if I can and I'm *certainly* getting some plaques. I fell in love with plaques when I watched Tony G and Surinder Sunar go at it during the ACF Paris Poker Open a while back.

As always thanks for the input everyone you guys rock

 

[coolguy101]

To be honest, I have no idea what these T100 or T25 terms mean. Does that mean chip denominations?

I have a chip set that has a total cash value of $57,400. I want to add plaques to that set. Of that set, only 10 chips are $1,000, and 60 chips are $500. If I were to add plaques, which denominations could I add, and how many? I want to be realistic, as getting 100K plaques would be impossible for anyone to ever achieve, as there simply aren't enough chips in play to get there. I just can't figure it out on my own as to how many and which ones.

 

[JustDave]

To be honest, I have no idea what these T100 or T25 terms mean. Does that mean chip denominations?

I have a chip set that has a total cash value of $57,400. I want to add plaques to that set. Of that set, only 10 chips are $1,000, and 60 chips are $500. If I were to add plaques, which denominations could I add, and how many? I want to be realistic, as getting 100K plaques would be impossible for anyone to ever achieve, as there simply aren't enough chips in play to get there. I just can't figure it out on my own as to how many and which ones.

T# Denotes a tournament set and that value chip, so T25 is just a 25 value chip as opposed to a $25 chip which just is $25 in real money.

Differentiates a tournament game from a cash game.

 

[JustinInMN]

To be honest, I have no idea what these T100 or T25 terms mean. Does that mean chip denominations?

We use the prefix "T" to indicate a tournament denomination to distinguish chips used in tournament from chips used in cash game play.

So T100 is a tournament chip with a denomination of 100.

"Base T100" refer to a tournament structure where 100 is the lowest denomination in play

I have a chip set that has a total cash value of $57,400. I want to add plaques to that set. Of that set, only 10 chips are $1,000, and 60 chips are $500. If I were to add plaques, which denominations could I add, and how many?

I think the next natural denomination would be 5000, but 12 plaques would cover your whole set . That said you have about 40K in 500 and 1000. You are on the right track considering how many chips in denominations below you have. I think without more 1000 chips to make change.

So I don't know if it really makes sense to add plaques without first adding more 1000 chips, otherwise you will be in a sport where it's difficult to make change.

 

[coolguy101]

We use the prefix "T" to indicate a tournament denomination to distinguish chips used in tournament from chips used in cash game play.

So T100 is a tournament chip with a denomination of 100.

"Base T100" refer to a tournament structure where 100 is the lowest denomination in play



I think the next natural denomination would be 5000, but 12 plaques would cover your whole set . That said you have about 40K in 500 and 1000. You are on the right track considering how many chips in denominations below you have. I think without more 1000 chips to make change.

So I don't know if it really makes sense to add plaques without first adding more 1000 chips, otherwise you will be in a sport where it's difficult to make change.

I don't really have the ability to add more $1,000 chips, as they are the Horseshoe Southern Indiana chips, and sold out. I don't really like them anyway, as they are larger and don't fit in the racks very well as it makes that rack not stackable. I'm kinda stuck, as I bought them with my craps table in mind, as I need a lot of lower denomination chips for that. I'm trying to rationalize why I need plaques, even though I can't use them for that, but just in case I ever decide to play poker again....

 

[JustinInMN]

I'm trying to rationalize why I need plaques,

Ah, maybe a better suggestion would be to get 1000 plaques instead.

 

[coolguy101]

Ah, maybe a better suggestion would be to get 1000 plaques instead.

Yeah, maybe. How many should I get based on what I have in total chip value? I’m not sure how to calculate that

 

[JustDave]

Yeah, maybe. How many should I get based on what I have in total chip value? I’m not sure how to calculate that

I'd suggest sharing the breakdown you currently have as a place to start. Additionally, you will want to share if you want to play cash or tournament, how many players you have regularly/max, and if playing cash what your regular buy-ins/rebuys look like.

 

[JustinInMN]

Yeah, maybe. How many should I get based on what I have in total chip value? I’m not sure how to calculate that

My rule of thumb for making change is ideally you have enough chips on the table of the next smallest denomination to make two of the next highest denomination in play to make sure someone will always have enough chips to make change readily.

Since you have 60 chips of denom 500, that a total of 30,000. I would divide that by two and say you could support 15 plaques of denom 1000. You may be able to get away with more since the jump from 500 to 1000 is 2x. But that's the neighborhood I would think about.

 

[JustinInMN]

Back on the @RudysNYC original post.

If I misunderstood and you already have chips in hand from the original GB with this breakdown.

160/160/80/60/40, running 25/100/500/1k/5k.

Then the correction to get my suggest base T100 breakdown isn't that big if you are going to get in the next ceramic group buy.

To get to this...

200/80/140/80 for 500 chips plus 40-60 T25K plaques. (Color up T100 and T500 using T5K chips, rest in plaques)

All you really need is to add is 40*T100, 80*T1000, and 40 T5000 chips and then I would say you can support 15-20 T25K plaques. It would create a situation where if you exhaust the plaques change-making may get a little tight, and you would probably want to get the excess T5K chips on the table for the first few re-entries, but it could work.

 

[coolguy101]

My rule of thumb for making change is ideally you have enough chips on the table of the next smallest denomination to make two of the next highest denomination in play to make sure someone will always have enough chips to make change readily.

Since you have 60 chips of denom 500, that a total of 30,000. I would divide that by two and say you could support 15 plaques of denom 1000. You may be able to get away with more since the jump from 500 to 1000 is 2x. But that's the neighborhood I would think about.

So that 15 includes removing the 10 pieces of the $1,000 chips? So net gain is 5 more $1,000 denomination chips or plaques?