FlyEaglesFly
Sitting Out
For an extra $500k (or whatever the deal was) they could get their own bracelet made for 1.5th place. Glad to see they got the money at least.
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WSOP Collusion (3 Viewers)
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Poker Zombie
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Has either player come out and actively confirmed/denied the dumping?
I mean, sure... deny 'till you die. But such a genius level move, it would be tough to not just confess. Surely, poker reporters must have asked, right?
I mean, sure... deny 'till you die. But such a genius level move, it would be tough to not just confess. Surely, poker reporters must have asked, right?
Seems like a great solution to me. It’s important that the WSOP rules for collusion are pretty clear that it has to be to the detriment of another player. So if the last two guys agreed to chop, that’s not actually collusion.
Even the rule specifically against chip dumping refers back to the definition given in the collusion rule. So according to the WSOP rules, it’s only chip dumping if it’s done to the detriment of another player.
Nobody was hurt, so why penalize these guys more than necessary.
Bracelets aren’t for sale, so yes, withhold that.
I applaud the WSOP.
Even the rule specifically against chip dumping refers back to the definition given in the collusion rule. So according to the WSOP rules, it’s only chip dumping if it’s done to the detriment of another player.
Nobody was hurt, so why penalize these guys more than necessary.
Bracelets aren’t for sale, so yes, withhold that.
I applaud the WSOP.
So they basically got the chop that they wanted in the first place.
It's amazing how many people in the X comments don't understand that it was ClubWPT putting up the extra million, not the WSOP.
By the way, this comment wins the thread:
It's amazing how many people in the X comments don't understand that it was ClubWPT putting up the extra million, not the WSOP.
By the way, this comment wins the thread:
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Outside influence can / has always be a problem.
Side bets, side action, Fantasy Team Points, Player of the year points, odds for, odds against, etc. All this outside action has been a factor for along time for tournament results, which influences players, which can lead to collusion, deal making, etc. This is often discussed amongst players, but not publicly reported.
Back in 2011, five nits/cowards chopped my annual Turkey shootout. Then they tried to deal high card for the Title. I said eff no. My perpetual plaque now says “Scared Money” in the 2011 spot.
Poker Zombie
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It's like professional baseball. If a team agrees to throw the World Series, nobody should care. Nobody is getting hurt, so why penalize these guys more than necessary.
Rumor mill saying they both got "lifetime bans" as well.
*confirmed by independently thinking about it
*confirmed by independently thinking about it
it feels different to me because tournament chops are legal in most places, but I get it, some people think cheating is cheating.
And maybe the WSOP and/or the gaming commission agree, because twitter seems to agree that these two have been quietly banned from ceasars and the WSOP.
I don’t get why such a ban wouldn’t be part of the public update. I guess we’ll find out sometime?
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Not going to deny - players would be far more hesitant in the future to break a rule (even if questionable) if it was enforced with a ban.
Here's your money. We're keeping the bracelet. You undermined the integrity of the game, so you are not welcome back. Enjoy your WPT events.
In his vlog today, Daniel all but confirmed that the players are banned from ceasars properties and possibly by the Nevada gaming commission.
He also said that a third player was approached with this deal and he declined. That probably changes my opinion on this whole thing. I shouldn’t have assumed this deal was made between the final two after third was eliminated.
He also said that a third player was approached with this deal and he declined. That probably changes my opinion on this whole thing. I shouldn’t have assumed this deal was made between the final two after third was eliminated.
Poker Zombie
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It is exactly as I said on day 1 of the scandal:
30+ years in the board gaming industry, hosting tournaments and conventions. Smart players will see the angles and take them. You must foresee and block those angles. I fault the WPT, but the WSOP should have seen this and also spelled out some ground rules.
The WSOP needs Zombies.
30+ years in the board gaming industry, hosting tournaments and conventions. Smart players will see the angles and take them. You must foresee and block those angles. I fault the WPT, but the WSOP should have seen this and also spelled out some ground rules.
The WSOP needs Zombies.
ekricket
Royal Flush
lol, gamblers will honor any debt except with the house. They’ll take any chance they get to screw the house over.
If this was two players conspiring to eliminate the third player and split the prize money we’d be up in pitchforks. But since it was the house that got screwed, oh well.
pokerplayingpisces
Full House
Well at least they’re getting the WPT money on their way out.
gopherblue
Straight Flush
Says Shoeless Zombie.
Polk’s take: Tamayo’s win was absolutely against the rules, this was ‘grey’ area.
Also, if they had offered to the 3rd player and he refused, did they then work together to get him out in 3rd place so it was technically collusion?
Drama, drama. They got the money, think they’ll be happy.
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
But that looks to be what happened. Dnegs in his latest vlog mentions that the third player was offered in on the deal and declined, and then was eliminated in third. It's hard to imagine the two others who agreed to split the extra $1 million weren't working together against him.
I bet they lift the lifetime ban they are just placating to the Twitter mob right now.
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
I don't believe the ban was issued by the WSOP, but rather the "host property" which is Caesars, so ALL of their properties those two caught a lifetime ban. I don't think Caesars really gives two shits about poker players and don't see why they'd lift the ban. This type of chicanery perhaps risks issues with the gaming commission and they don't need that headache for a bunch of misregs.
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