Windwalker on Hustler Casino Live?!?!?!?!?!? (28 Viewers)

Like many of the non pro players, krish had leaks in his game

Shit happen there always good and bad plays, don’t need to judge too much if he can afford it so be it

Unlikely any “helpful” recommendation are going to be helpful too, it always easy to know when to fold and call or raise when you can see everyone hold cards
 
I'm looking for a poker coach. How much do you charge for lessons?
Hahaha! "

First of all, I didn't say that he shouldn't play in high this high stake. Of course, any one who can afford this type of bank roll can play, including WW.

But one thing confusing me the most is why "the entire outside world" recom he plays so bad. And don't get me wrong, I trust that he is profitable last few months' high stakes poker sessions. God bless him! And in PCF, most ppl seems to agree he is playing well?

IMO, he is a fish in these high stake poker for now. And I am not a poker pro at all; as I stated earlier that the biggest game I have ever played is $1/3. These comments are purely my personal opinions. No need to be sarcastic to my comments.

At the end of day, faithful words grate upon the ear. Believe or not, I want everything good for Krish. Not only because he is a true legend on chips(kindly sharing chips photos
the PCF community), more importantly he is a member of this community. (So am I)

There is no conflicts between playing poker well and being super rich.

I hope you got my main points from this one. Again if you still feel somehow offensive, I will shut my mouth from now. And the end of day, why the F a middle class ppl start to worry about a billionaire's fun activity? I am more confused now. LOL
 
Can I please ask whom recom this is a good call?
Against a random casino player, calling a 2/3 pot bet from an EP raiser with :8s::8h: on a :js::6s::qs::ah::tc: runout is likely very -EV.

But there are a few things which tip the scales towards this being at least a marginal call.
  • Villain is a seasoned pro capable of turning anything into a bluff here
  • Villain is notorious for playing very wide ranges (although seems to have dialed it back quite a bit in recent years)
  • Villain is running cold tonight
  • Often, folks (even seasoned pros) start to press the action when running cold
  • Line from EP raiser is pretty weak on a Broadway heavy runout (checks flop, declines to check raise, checks A turn)
    • Given a monotone flop, natural that EP checks some portion of his value range, but imagine the top of his value range is often cbetting here
      • E.g., AA, KK, QQ, JJ
    • Also his big draws or vulnerable top pairs
      • E.g., AK, KTs, ATs
  • Krish has the :8s:, so at least blocks some portion of villain's value range (but, also unblocks most of villain's value range, too)
  • Krish has done a good job of pot control to 'earn' the right to call
Update: ran this hand through GTOWizard and aside from Dwan's error of raising :6h::3h: from EP, both players played it fine. According to GTOWizard, @Windwalker should be calling 41% on this river.
 
Against a random casino player, calling a 2/3 pot bet from an EP raiser with :8s::8h: on a :js::6s::qs::ah::tc: runout is likely very -EV.

But there are a few things which tip the scales towards this being at least a marginal call.
  • Villain is a seasoned pro capable of turning anything into a bluff here
  • Villain is notorious for playing very wide ranges (although seems to have dialed it back quite a bit in recent years)
  • Villain is running cold tonight
  • Often, folks (even seasoned pros) start to press the action when running cold
  • Line from EP raiser is pretty weak on a Broadway heavy runout (checks flop, declines to check raise, checks A turn)
    • Given a monotone flop, natural that EP checks some portion of his value range, but imagine the top of his value range is often cbetting here
      • E.g., AA, KK, QQ, JJ
    • Also his big draws or vulnerable top pairs
      • E.g., AK, KTs, ATs
  • Krish has the :8s:, so at least blocks some portion of villain's value range (but, also unblocks most of villain's value range, too)
  • Krish has done a good job of pot control to 'earn' the right to call
Update: ran this hand through GTOWizard and aside from Dwan's error of raising :6h::3h: from EP, both players played it fine. According to GTOWizard, @Windwalker should be calling 41% on this river.
well there is all that also there is 9 times out of 10 there are 4 cards on the board that 1 pair beats his 8's lol
 
Against a random casino player, calling a 2/3 pot bet from an EP raiser with :8s::8h: on a :js::6s::qs::ah::tc: runout is likely very -EV.

But there are a few things which tip the scales towards this being at least a marginal call.
  • Villain is a seasoned pro capable of turning anything into a bluff here
  • Villain is notorious for playing very wide ranges (although seems to have dialed it back quite a bit in recent years)
  • Villain is running cold tonight
  • Often, folks (even seasoned pros) start to press the action when running cold
  • Line from EP raiser is pretty weak on a Broadway heavy runout (checks flop, declines to check raise, checks A turn)
    • Given a monotone flop, natural that EP checks some portion of his value range, but imagine the top of his value range is often cbetting here
      • E.g., AA, KK, QQ, JJ
    • Also his big draws or vulnerable top pairs
      • E.g., AK, KTs, ATs
  • Krish has the :8s:, so at least blocks some portion of villain's value range (but, also unblocks most of villain's value range, too)
  • Krish has done a good job of pot control to 'earn' the right to call
Update: ran this hand through GTOWizard and aside from Dwan's error of raising :6h::3h: from EP, both players played it fine. According to GTOWizard, @Windwalker should be calling 41% on this river.
call down that board often with 8s and see how well you do in the long run lol
 
I can appreciate the constructive criticism here, but do we have a run down of how this hand played out? Hard to analyze play when we doing even know how the hand unfolded. We don’t know what’s Krish’s logic for making the call. There’s not enough information available here to be highly critical of anyone’s play.

Just my 2 cents.
 
But on a more serious note, I would think most if not all of us have done this at one time or another. Calling someone down with low or bottom pair because you feel like they are bluffing and missed their draw.

Is it suggested to do this often? Of course not.
 
Do you think Dwan put Krish on 88? I'm sure he did. his best bluffs are the hands that do not beat 88/77 etc. It is totally reasonable to put him on the nut straight or nothing at all.
 
Am I the only person who plays poker because they enjoy both the social aspect and the challenge of trying new things and improving a skill over time?

If I had the money you can bet your ass I’d slather myself in chum and hope in with the sharks if it meant I could play with Ivey, Dwan, etc…..
 
Am I the only person who plays poker because they enjoy both the social aspect and the challenge of trying new things and improving a skill over time?

If I had the money you can bet your ass I’d slather myself in chum and hope in with the sharks if it meant I could play with Ivey, Dwan, etc…..

Amen brother.

"So, if you cannot understand that there is something in man which responds to the challenge of this mountain and goes out to meet it, that the struggle is the struggle of life itself upward and forever upward, then you won’t see why we go. What we get from this adventure is just sheer joy. And joy is, after all, the end of life. We do not live to eat and make money. We eat and make money to be able to enjoy life. That is what life means and what life is for.” ― George Leigh Mallory
 
Amen brother.

"So, if you cannot understand that there is something in man which responds to the challenge of this mountain and goes out to meet it, that the struggle is the struggle of life itself upward and forever upward, then you won’t see why we go. What we get from this adventure is just sheer joy. And joy is, after all, the end of life. We do not live to eat and make money. We eat and make money to be able to enjoy life. That is what life means and what life is for.” ― George Leigh Mallory
no yeah of course go and play for 3 days but dont make it a regular thing these players Dedicated their whole lives to this game over the long haul Krish or any of us would get smashed nothing wrong with that they are legends of the game a small sample size is one thing if you were to play with those guys say 3 times a week for a year very unlikely he \or any of us would be positive money
 
no yeah of course go and play for 3 days but dont make it a regular thing these players Dedicated their whole lives to this game over the long haul Krish or any of us would get smashed nothing wrong with that they are legends of the game a small sample size is one thing if you were to play with those guys say 3 times a week for a year very unlikely he \or any of us would be positive money

WTF am I to say what someone who has earned their money should do with it. Especially if it brings them honest joy. Bless anyone who has found those things in life that bring them such challenge, joy, and fulfillment. I have no place or reason to judge another man like that, but when I see someone grabbing life by the horns and or riding a wave with a big ass smile on their face I am going to throw up the hang ten sign and cheer them on, not hate on them. I know on that day Krish did something memorable and significant to him. That is cool thing and probably more than I did that day.
 
WTF am I to say what someone who has earned their money should do with it. Especially if it brings them honest joy. Bless anyone who has found those things in life that bring them such challenge, joy, and fulfillment. I have no place or reason to judge another man like that, but when I see someone grabbing life by the horns and or riding a wave with a big ass smile on their face I am going to throw up the hang ten sign and cheer them on, not hate on them. I know on that day Krish did something memorable and significant to him. That is cool thing and probably more than I did that day.
true I agree I am happy for him aswell that had to be awesome f the Money
 
I can appreciate the constructive criticism here, but do we have a run down of how this hand played out? Hard to analyze play when we doing even know how the hand unfolded. We don’t know what’s Krish’s logic for making the call. There’s not enough information available here to be highly critical of anyone’s play.

Just my 2 cents.

I just watched the hand. I'm calling with the 88 there probably about half the time. Especially against someone like Dwan. The problem is that there just aren't many hands that Dwan can have there that are consistent with how he played the hand. A flopped slow played flush in position makes near-zero sense. Aces up also makes near zero sense as Dwan bets the turn. He miiiiight be value betting JT for 2 pair, but pretty much the only hand he's value betting there is a Kx that missed his flush draw. But if Dwan had a combo draw (flush and now straight), I would expect him to bet it on the turn in position when checked to after the Ace fell. But he didn't. Which means he's either still on a naked flush draw or has an underpair. It was a good call by Krish and a good read. I bet if you ask Krish, he probably called for these exact same reasons.

My biggest fear in that hand would be calling and losing to a pair of Jacks that Dwan turned into a bluff on the river.
 

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