any rumors on dwan and ivey? i have heard they are broke and deep in makeup. not for the gossip, but maybe useful info?
Windwalker on Hustler Casino Live?!?!?!?!?!? (30 Viewers)
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Also, @Windwalker , Krish, would you like a Non-Denominated ΑΘΕ chip to be jet-sent to you as card capper?
I have been working on the PCF logo as embroidery for hats and shirts...
I do if Krish doesn't!
My man, there 's only 4 extras. I could part with one only if it would get on international televised content, for the glory of Athens.
CrazyEddie
Full House
They just like your hat.
Umm. He absolutely did not cheat! He made certain requests that were agreed to by the casino. Once agreed they became the rules of the game. The casinos were just pissed the odds swung in his favor. The rulings were ridiculously bad and a joke.I'm of the opinion that Phil's baccarat stunt was straight-up cheating, but don't tell him I said so.
RadicusScout
Flush
A few random, disconnected thoughts:
1. Hell yes!!! That’s a great promo.
2. We should organize a PCF watch party. Discord?
3. Knock ‘em dead and send us a shoutout, Krish!
Antonio who?!?!?
SpaceMonkey420
Full House
Remember if you don’t see the fish at the table it’s probably you. Fold a lot. Games need a donor to be “good” to pros. Dont be a donor. The tongue needles will be flying. When in doubt throw it out. Pump it or dump it. Your a smart man, get some good sleep and take a break/leak if you win OR lose a big hand (it helps the tilt) and keeps your emotions muted. Dont be happy or sad. Be a mute, hesitate, and look left before acting. Good luck and fold ALL small pairs (10x10) out of position in multi-way pots, unless quietly limping for set mines heads up.
bergs
Royal Flush
I’ve got a Truman’s House commemorative meetup shirt in bright Seahawk green if you want to wear it, Krish (or just throw it at Dwan).
This will be EPIC! You gotta bust em all Krish!!! Can hardly wait!
CrazyEddie
Full House
If this were done in a poker game it would be a gross violation of the rules, even if every other player at the table shrugged and said "sure, we can indulge this guy's superstitions."
The rules of any gambling game involving cards implicitly include "No player shall have any method by which they can identify a face-down card". Ivey conned the dealer into creating a marked deck for Ivey's own use without the dealer knowing that's what he was doing. The fact that the dealer did the marking at Ivey's request rather than Ivey doing it himself changes nothing; it simply means that Ivey got away with it by exploiting the dealer's ignorance, not that it was fair.
If a man is willing to swindle a casino, what makes you think he won't try to swindle you? What clever, previously unknown tricks does he have to read your hole cards that you haven't yet thought to protect yourself against?
the Casino very much wanted ivy to play there. He said he would under certain conditions. the casino agreed in advance of the game. The terms, conditions, and equipment were agreed upon in advance. The equipment (cards and shuffler) used was being used in other casinos. The casino could have passed on the offer but didn’t because they wanted his action. ivy played by the rules that were in place for that game. He did nothing wrong Except be smarter than the casino. If the casino wants to make a claim, it should be against the card manufacturer for a faulty product, not against ivy for exploiting it to his advantage. Just my opinion.
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
Yussssss!
He sat down with 10 BB and folded for an hour, then made a score?
Another glaring error in Rounders...
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CrazyEddie
Full House
If I get you to agree to play cards with me under conditions which, unbeknownst to you, reveal your cards to me, I have swindled you.
That's what Ivey did.
CrazyEddie
Full House
Let's put it this way. You're sitting at a poker game. You notice a crease on the ace of spades. It's a small one, and you don't think anyone else has noticed it.
Do you use it to your advantage?
Many hosts would say that all players have an obligation to ensure the integrity of the game, and that anyone who observes an irregularity that would lead to an unfair game should speak up about it. Perhaps you disagree, though. So let's try a different one.
The host has a few different decks available. You've noticed in previous games that one of them has a crease on the ace of spades. The host says "Hey, which deck should we use tonight?" Do you suggest he should use the marked deck?
What Ivey (or rather, his partner) did was notice that the casino's deck could be used like a marked deck - i.e. he could tell which cards were good and bad - and then asked the dealer to do something which, without the casino knowing, set the marks; good cards turned one way, bad cards turned the other way. This is essentially the same as you telling your poker host that he should use the deck with the creased ace, the deck that nobody but you has noticed is marked.
Does that seem right to you?
Do you use it to your advantage?
Many hosts would say that all players have an obligation to ensure the integrity of the game, and that anyone who observes an irregularity that would lead to an unfair game should speak up about it. Perhaps you disagree, though. So let's try a different one.
The host has a few different decks available. You've noticed in previous games that one of them has a crease on the ace of spades. The host says "Hey, which deck should we use tonight?" Do you suggest he should use the marked deck?
What Ivey (or rather, his partner) did was notice that the casino's deck could be used like a marked deck - i.e. he could tell which cards were good and bad - and then asked the dealer to do something which, without the casino knowing, set the marks; good cards turned one way, bad cards turned the other way. This is essentially the same as you telling your poker host that he should use the deck with the creased ace, the deck that nobody but you has noticed is marked.
Does that seem right to you?
To use a poker example in game that is not poker is simply creating an inequitable comparison.
If I’m playing poker and I notice a marked card, I’m absolutely going to point it out, both because there could be someone marking cards and creating for themselves an unfair advantage against me and others, but also to preserve the integrity of the game amongst players.
But a table game played solely against the casino, a multi billion dollar cooperation that makes its money by exploiting people? That wilingly accepted Ivey’s conditions?
Fuck em, take very penny you can get. And that’s exactly what Ivey did.
Edit: GL Krish, watching the hustler games with you in them have been awesome!
If I’m playing poker and I notice a marked card, I’m absolutely going to point it out, both because there could be someone marking cards and creating for themselves an unfair advantage against me and others, but also to preserve the integrity of the game amongst players.
But a table game played solely against the casino, a multi billion dollar cooperation that makes its money by exploiting people? That wilingly accepted Ivey’s conditions?
Fuck em, take very penny you can get. And that’s exactly what Ivey did.
Edit: GL Krish, watching the hustler games with you in them have been awesome!
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
Perhaps a different thread would be more appropriate for this discussion
I will say this is apples and oranges
The casino offers games designed to favor them mathematically. Thus there is an expectation of unfairness in your transactions with them
A poker game is expected to be a level playing field except for a players individual skill and the randomness of chance
CrazyEddie
Full House
This is fun, watch until Jerry gets kicked out:
In my mind that is a completely different situation. U r talking about a man made imperfection that affects a specific card or deck of cards. That 100% is a problem. Ivy didn’t have a specific deck(s) marked and he certainly didn’t request that the casino use a specific deck with a known man made imperfection that is different than other decks made by the same manufacturer. That clearly would have been cheating. He simply requested a specific card manufacturer, a manufacturer that was used by many casinos. There is nothing wrong with that in my mind.
Along those lines - is card counting illegal? Nope. Casinos just don’t like it cause it takes away their edge. What about if ur at a poker game and u notice a player’s tell. Based on that tell u now know exactly what that player is holding. Do u have an obligation to tell that player and/or the other players? We all know the answer to that.
CrazyEddie
Full House
Look at my favorite girl Lauren, sitting down to that shitstorm and then just calmly slinging the cards like a pro
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