Why is 7 card stud popular on the east coast but dead everywhere else? (1 Viewer)

[ohio3302016]

I never see 7 card stud spread anywhere but the east coast casinos (per Bravo).

Is there a specific reason there is no interest for it in Vegas or any other non East coast casinos?

 

[TheBigTater]

The Grand in Tunica was the last place I remember spreading 7 stud around here before they closed (08'). Don't remember Harrah's ever spreading it after they took over the old Grand. All the internet/online young'uns think it's too slow, not enough action, to keep them interested. Rooms aren't going to run a game they can't fill or make anything on (not enough orbits/hr). It's considered an old man's game now (probably always was).

 

[ohio3302016]

The Grand in Tunica was the last place I remember spreading 7 stud around here before they closed (08'). Don't remember Harrah's ever spreading it after they took over the old Grand. All the internet/online young'uns think it's too slow, not enough action, to keep them interested. Rooms aren't going to run a game they can't fill or make anything on (not enough orbits/hr). It's considered an old man's game now (probably always was).

Makes sense.

I wish low limit HORSE would run more often. There was a 5/10 HORSE game at the Shoe in Cleveland awhile back. It only ran once a week. Now it doesn't run at all.

I guess my question is why is it still spread on the East coast? Is is just more ingrained there? On Bravo I see 1-5 spread limit stud games running all the time at places like Mohegan and Foxwoods and the AC casinos.

 

[Psypher1000]

First table game I ever remember learning was 5 card draw. Then 5 card stud. Then 7 card stud.

Stud games will always have a place at my table.

 

[Payback]

My local casino actually just started spreading a 15/30 OE game on Monday nights that is almost impossible to get in on as they never will go past one table. Side note: Really ticks me off when they get 15-20 interested and still only run one table. Also they run it 10 max, ugh!

It's the only night that Stud runs of any kind and only started up again about 2 months ago so there is a chance it dies off at some point. O8 runs about 50% of the days. This casino used to run a 25/50 stud game a long time ago. Some of the players who play in the current game played in that one and were a big reason why this current one got started.

 

[courage]

30/60 stud runs at my local casino all the time...southern Indiana.

 

[TheBigTater]

First table game I ever remember learning was 5 card draw. Then 5 card stud. Then 7 card stud.

Stud games will always have a place at my table.

Same here, cut my poker teeth on these games and will always play them at my games.

 

[ohio3302016]

30/60 stud runs at my local casino all the time...southern Indiana.

I definitely see more stud games at that limit or higher (specifically Vegas). Never really see any 10/20 or lower though. At least I don't.

 

[keshaldra]

Makes sense.

I wish low limit HORSE would run more often. There was a 5/10 HORSE game at the Shoe in Cleveland awhile back. It only ran once a week. Now it doesn't run at all.

I guess my question is why is it still spread on the East coast? Is is just more ingrained there? On Bravo I see 1-5 spread limit stud games running all the time at places like Mohegan and Foxwoods and the AC casinos.

I still request it whenever I'm in there (HORSE at the Shoe), but nobody else jumps on the list. That game won't get going again there.

The rest is regional. People will play whatever the "community" plays, but very rarely does anybody want to try to get anything else going (and this goes for players and casinos). Only once or twice have I ever had a poker room manager encourage other games in my life, and in both situations, they were new/remodeled rooms that were desperate for new blood.

That doesn't mean they won't deal it...I mean, they'll deal 1000/2000 go-fish if you have the people for it. But they don't want to dedicate the time, effort, or dealer to a game that could break and then not get going again for a month. It's a huge bummer.

That said, if you're Cleveland area, I'm planning on getting a mixed game going at some point, pending prep formalities....all that silly nonsense like chairs, chips, and such!

I definitely see more stud games at that limit or higher (specifically Vegas). Never really see any 10/20 or lower though. At least I don't.

Yep, if you want to play anything other than HE or Omaha in Vegas, it STARTS at 20/40 ish and goes up from there. Trop had a 4/8 dealer's choice for a while. Aria had a regular game that played 8/16 mix, but slowly upgraded to 9/18, 12/24, and I think the game plays 20/40 now.

LA runs everything, but again, generally at 10/20 or higher.

 

[ohio3302016]

Kesh..

Keep me posted on the mixed game. Thanks.

 

[phaze12]

when playing stud at foxwoods (mohegan really doesnt get low stud games going that often) i am often the youngest (i am 42) player st the table, by about 15-20 years. and it has been this way for about 10 - 15 years now. there is usualy one person falling asleep at the table. (after 10pm or so) these games are usualy held in the back ( or front depending how you look at the room) corner of the room so the foot traffic really doesnt seee these tables. except the 75/150 and above games.

now i havent been to foxwoods in about 4 years so it could have changed but i highly doubt it.

so to answer your question i guess it is an old mans games. i grew up on it as its the game my grandpa taught me.

i have a feeling that when the "old guys" die off, so will the game.

 

[keshaldra]

when playing stud at foxwoods (mohegan really doesnt get low stud games going that often) i am often the youngest (i am 42) player st the table, by about 15-20 years. and it has been this way for about 10 - 15 years now. there is usualy one person falling asleep at the table. (after 10pm or so) these games are usualy held in the back ( or front depending how you look at the room) corner of the room so the foot traffic really doesnt seee these tables. except the 75/150 and above games.

now i havent been to foxwoods in about 4 years so it could have changed but i highly doubt it.

so to answer your question i guess it is an old mans games. i grew up on it as its the game my grandpa taught me.

i have a feeling that when the "old guys" die off, so will the game.

Yep. At 36, I'm the youngest one at the table in any game that isn't NLHE or PLO. There are older people that play in Vegas too though, but they're committed to their regular game (usually something like the 30/60 LO8 at Bellagio, etc.) I used that specific example because (as of 2012) we had the aforementioned guy who falls asleep at the table...he was 98 years old. People just played his hand for him and pushed him chips when he won, it was hilarious.

 

[ohio3302016]

when playing stud at foxwoods (mohegan really doesnt get low stud games going that often) i am often the youngest (i am 42) player st the table, by about 15-20 years. and it has been this way for about 10 - 15 years now. there is usualy one person falling asleep at the table. (after 10pm or so) these games are usualy held in the back ( or front depending how you look at the room) corner of the room so the foot traffic really doesnt seee these tables. except the 75/150 and above games.

now i havent been to foxwoods in about 4 years so it could have changed but i highly doubt it.

so to answer your question i guess it is an old mans games. i grew up on it as its the game my grandpa taught me.

i have a feeling that when the "old guys" die off, so will the game.

Mohegan has 2 people on a waiting list for 1-5 stud right now (Thursday, 10:40AM). Seems like they have at least one 1-5 stud table and 10-20 stud table going every day.

(per Bravo)

 

[ohio3302016]

10/20 stud table now running at Mohegan at 11:15AM.

5 people on the 1-5 stud waiting list.

You'd never see this anywhere else (outside of the east coast).

 

[Chicken Rob]

I don't know why we see it on the east coast. Stud is a terrible game.

 

[ohio3302016]

I don't know why we see it on the east coast. Stud is a terrible game.

That's like, your opinion man.

 

[gopherblue]

Obvs answer is obvs: East Coast folks are smarter.

 

[Jambine]

Obvs answer is obvs: East Coast folks are smarter.

Well then, send some of em out here. Very rare to find a stud game in Black Hawk anymore.

I really do miss punishing hold-em players who don't pay attention........BTW that Jack you been waiting for? Three of em got mucked on the deal while you were flirting with the waitress

 

[phaze12]

foxwoods has 3- 20/40 tables, 2- 75/150, 1- 1/3 and 3- 1/5 going right now. that is stud heaven.

 

[Andrew Marks]

IMO stud is an excellent game and requires very different skills than holdem. Remembering up cards is critical in stud but non-existent in holdem. It's a shame that stud has lost its popularity because it is an excellent game that hones otherwise unused poker skills. But given that there seems to be a wave of non-holdem games coming into vogue (Big O, 2-7 triple draw, 2-7 single draw, Badugi, etc) we may see a resurgence in stud or some variant thereof.

In my home game we play a lot of hi-lo 7- and 5-card stud and many interesting versions thereof. In some versions there is a common card turned up at the same time as the door card. More recently, in addition to a common card, we do a "throw one, roll one" version. For 7 stud, you get four down and see the common card. Then you discard one of your four and turn up one of the remaining three. The rest of the game is dealt out like regular stud. Very interesting twist as there is some psychology in which card you turn up and if you are thoughtful and others are not, they may tip off the nature of their hole cards based on what they turn over and the middle card. The 5-card version you get three down plus a common and then throw one and roll one. Another interesting twist. These game get very large pots because of both the hi-lo nature and the fact that everyone starts with a better hand than they would in regular stud because of the throw one option. Give it a try. I'm a traditionalist and don't usually take to new games, but these I like very much.

 

[pltrgyst]

Both 7-stud and 5-stud roll-your-own (all cards dealt face-down) are great games.

 

[iBetOnEverything]

Born and raised in the North East. 7 Card Stud and 5 Card Draw were the first poker games I learned, played for pennies with Grandma.

 

[Chicken Rob]

The reason I hate stud games is that I have terrible vision, and it's hard to read the boards before people start folding. That disadvantage is hard to overcome.

 

[bergs]

Stud is where older Omaha limit players go to quietly curl up and die.

I will confess to playing the 1/5 spread stud game at Mohegan if waiting for a seat elsewhere. There's always an open seat because invariably some of the players from the morning session have perished and relinquished their seat.

Stud is the only game where you could prop up Bernie from the "Weekend at Bernie's" movie in the 2 seat and after the game broke, you'd hear Gertrude mention to Hilda "That Bernie sure is an action player".

Fuck stud poker with Mike Caro's big nose.

 

[Andrew Marks]

Well 1-5 stud is like watching paint dry. Hi-Lo stud is a better game with more action although rarely spread at any casino.

 

[ohio3302016]

Well 1-5 stud is like watching paint dry. Hi-Lo stud is a better game with more action although rarely spread at any casino.

I agree that Hi/Lo is a better game but like you said, zero chance of seeing it spread unless in a rotation. Even then, unlikely.

 

[BGinGA]

Pot-limit 7-card stud fixes everything. Not for the faint-hearted.