Why are are there so few chip molds? (2 Viewers)

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When I read in the forum about chip molds it seems like they are so rare and coveted. I don’t understand this. Why can’t chip manufactures just make new/different ones all the time. (I know paulson does for house molds etc.) but it seems like every other manufacturer was so limited, and always remained that way.

You hear about them changing hands and being liscenced out... Why is a chip mold so precious?
 
When I read in the forum about chip molds it seems like they are so rare and coveted. I don’t understand this. Why can’t chip manufactures just make new/different ones all the time. (I know paulson does for house molds etc.) but it seems like every other manufacturer was so limited, and always remained that way.

You hear about them changing hands and being liscenced out... Why is a chip mold so precious?
Highly detailed small dies that need to be made out of tool steel. (EDM these days I assume)

They can’t be cheap to make, I used to design stamping dies and they weren’t cheap even with in house tool and die guys
 
There are many more chip molds than you would think. When I visited ASM in Las Vegas a few years ago, I saw lots of molds. (Imagine an aisle at Home Depot with a shelf with what looked like around 20 or 30 "tops" and "bottoms" of molds.

Some molds are proprietary "house" molds, and have the casino name engraved in each chip cavity. The manufacturer will only use those to make chips on orders from that casino -- not you or me.

Some are privately owned and can sometimes be used with permission of the owner.

Some are not used because they have cups that are very worn. You can't put slugs into all the cups or you'd be wasting clay. So instead of 20 chips with each pressing, maybe you're making 14 chips. It takes more time and energy (think paying the heating bill) to make chips using that mold.

So it would be more efficient to use a mold where you get 20 perfect chips every time.

A few years ago, there was talk of creating a new mold. I don't recall who floated the idea. The low-end cost for the engraving was $10,000. (I think that cost was the ballpark for a mold manufactured in China, and there was some question about how precisely the engraving would be done.)

So if you're charging a couple of cents per chip toward the cost of making the mold, you'd need to make a half million chips with that mold just to make up your up-front cost.

If you are a casino owner, paying maybe $20,000 for a mold precision-made in the U.S. or Europe is an easy decision and can be recouped from one high roller. For us in the home market, we'd need to do the biggest group buy ever, and we'd never get that number of people to agree on what the chip should look like.
 
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Some are not used because they have cups that are very worn. You can't put slugs into all the cups or you'd be wasting clay. So instead of 20 chips with each pressing, maybe you're making 14 chips. It takes more time and energy (think paying the heating bill) to make chips using that mold.
I'm guessing this is why chips on my favorite molds (diasqr, scrown) cost more than most of the other molds. I was just thinking about asking this question a few days ago.
 
I'm guessing this is why chips on my favorite molds (diasqr, scrown) cost more than most of the other molds. I was just thinking about asking this question a few days ago.

You are probably right. I'm not certain, but I think the H mold has some cups that don't work well and results in fewer chips with each run of the press. I'm pretty sure this is why Classic favors the A mold, has it in all the time, and charges less per chip for designs on that mold.
 
I'm guessing this is why chips on my favorite molds (diasqr, scrown) cost more than most of the other molds. I was just thinking about asking this question a few days ago.
Yup. If I remember correctly the cheaper the chip, the better shape the mold is in. Some of the expensive molds were on there last legs.
 
Whatever happened to the cigar and snifter mold? Would be cool if we could get that into the hands of ASM.
 
Where is the Pineapple mold now?
I don't think that Stephan ever had physical possession of the Paradise mold used to make Le Noirs, so it's probably still in Mexico.

Whatever happened to the cigar and snifter mold? Would be cool if we could get that into the hands of ASM.
AFAIK, all molds that were in possession of BCC at the time of their sale are now in possession of GPI, regardless if BCC owned them or not.
 
Having the mold is only a small part of the equation. I could have the mold in a box in my garage. I'd still need the ingredients, recipe, and quite a bit of skill garnered from maybe 20 years of experience in order to produce my first chip. (I've seen the entire process in person, but still could never actually make a chip.)

Oh, and a very expensive, specialized (and very large) compression molding machine.

You'd have to hand off the mold to Classic Poker Chips. GPI would certainly not work with you unless you open a licensed casino.
 
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You are probably right. I'm not certain, but I think the H mold has some cups that don't work well and results in fewer chips with each run of the press. I'm pretty sure this is why Classic favors the A mold, has it in all the time, and charges less per chip for designs on that mold.
Yup. If I remember correctly the cheaper the chip, the better shape the mold is in. Some of the expensive molds were on there last legs.
It's a shame I don't prefer the A-mold chips. My first name is Andrew, they go with my Acres theme, and they'd probably save me $300-400 (maybe more) when I actually do my custom set. But I got my hands on some diasqr's, and now I must have the chips on that mold. :)
 
I got them both, and diasqr is my favorite of the two. Now doing a Scrown
 
You guys gotta think bigger.

Can we group buy an entire casino or card room?

Yes, but the licensing expense would likely kill the project as the owners would have to each be licensed.
 
So a boat mold?
Boat mold.JPG
:ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Maybe we're going about this all wrong. Maybe we should commission a PCF House Mold. That means anything made on that mold could be exclusive to us, right?
That would be cool, to have a custom mold, and every year do limited addition chips and sets with designs that the forum came up with.
 

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