Tourney Using two decks? (1 Viewer)

[trigs]

With one deck the dealer is the guy with the cards. No button needed. 15 seconds is relatively slow if you practice even a little bit. Not a myth at all

Even if you are 100% correct about it taking 15 seconds to shuffle every time, you still have to gather and send cards to dealer where during that time you could be already dealing out with the second deck. Am I wrong?

 

[AK Chip]

For us there is a significant increase in hands using two decks. Having the BB shuffle seems to be the only thing we do different then most two deck crews.

dealers gathers cards, sets card cover aside.
moves button
takes shuffled deck from new SB
and gives used deck to BB

works for us.

 

[Old State]

Even if you are 100% correct about it taking 15 seconds to shuffle every time, you still have to gather and send cards to dealer where during that time you could be already dealing out with the second deck. Am I wrong?

The same time needed with two decks as the dealer waits for the table to be cleared.

It’s not an issue of being correct on 15 seconds. Watch some YouTube videos and try it yourself

 

[JustinInMN]

But still you can save that 15 seconds if cards are shuffled before the pot is pushed. Even if a single deck game going a modest 20 hands an hour should gain about 10% by saving even a minimal 15 seconds 20 times.

The only way I don't see that gain is if confusion outside the shuffle somehow overwhelms that gain. But those issue are miniminal in the games I play.

 

[TheBigTater]

Played for years with a single deck but feel when done right the 2 deck system does speed things along (as long as everyone is use to it). If using 2 decks the shuffle behind method, dealer clean up the mess works the best. I really think shuffling ahead is sloppy and a pain to deal with. On the other hand I'm not a huge "we need to get as many hands in per hour" kind of guy.

 

[SeanGecko]

Been playing with two decks since 2007 cash and tournaments. It works especially when someone messes up and needs the other deck. Bam ready to go. The mucks go to the next dealer. This hasn’t been difficult to get people trained. Someone not in the hand is usually getting ready if the next dealer is in the hand.

 

[rjbf65]

I’m a big 2 decks proponent. Only 1 deck is tilting, especially with slow shufflers/dealers. I’ve only played it as shuffle behind. Only thing I don’t like about it is when the new dealer starts pitching cards before the mess is cleaned up. I think it would be helpful if there was a rule that the current dealer can’t cut the cards until he cleans up the mess, then pass to new dealer who can start dealing. I haven’t tried bringing this up as it doesn’t happen that often.

 

[Gobbs]

Dedicated Dealer or bust.

 

[JustinInMN]

Dedicated Dealer or bust.

What do you tip such a dealer?

 

[markleteenie]

What do you tip such a dealer?

Please clarify?

EDIT - Are you talking about from the host perspective or the player (per pot) perspective?

 

[BGinGA]

What do you tip such a dealer?

Our dedicated dealers earn $15/hr plus tips, which generally run 5% to 10% of player winnings. Dealing a typical 5 hour event with $600 in prize money would usually net the dealer around $120 or so.

 

[Gobbs]

What do you tip such a dealer?

Depends on how much I like him. Usually, about 10 percent of what I clear for the day.

 

[DoubleEagle]

What do you tip such a dealer?

Our $1/3 cash game dedicated dealer drags $1 per pot. Most times she will get tipped another $1 per pot, but sometimes up to $5 for a big pot.

 

[JustinInMN]

I mean don't get me wrong I like to deal and will pull my weight in a self-dealt game. But I wouldn't be willing to sit there for 4+ hours with 100% of the dealing responsibility, even if also a player (ala Shooter in "The Cincinnati Kid") without expecting something for the effort.

Though I know this can move home games into a legal grey area, I am glad to see appreciation for home dealers.

 

[markleteenie]

I mean don't get me wrong I like to deal and will pull my weight in a self-dealt game. But I wouldn't be willing to sit there for 4+ hours with 100% of the dealing responsibility, even if also a player (ala Shooter in "The Cincinnati Kid") without expecting something for the effort.

Though I know this can move home games into a legal grey area, I am glad to see appreciation for home dealers.

The questionable legal footing doesn't stop a lot of people but does make me hesitant to implement.

 

[Gobbs]

Though I know this can move home games into a legal grey area, I am glad to see appreciation for home dealers.

I guess that's the thing about my state...merely playing poker with a penny on the table is illegal. So, what's the difference?

 

[JustinInMN]

I guess that's the thing about my state...merely playing poker with a penny on the table is illegal. So, what's the difference?

My state and I believe others are accepting of "social wagering" or "penne ante games" usually defined as the house not taking a cut. (You have to bribe the government, I mean acquire a gaming license to do the latter.)

Paying a dealer probably crosses that line in places where social games are otherwise acceptable.

That said I always gift my host and dedicated dealer friends a little something.