Tourney Denominations? (1 Viewer)

[arch3r]

I am in the process of designing my CPC tourney set and I was all go with the denominations. I was going to use T25/T100/T500/T1000/T5000 but then I saw a post by @liftapint offering samples for the Siam Imperia set ( https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/siam-imperia-cpc-sample-sets.27192/ ) and of course I grabbed a set ( they look awesome! Love the T500 and T2000 ). But I noticed that the denominations are T5/T25/T100/T500/T2000/T10000. I had not seen that breakdown before ( T2000/T10000 vs T1000/T5000 ) or even considered it, but it seems to make more sense ( at least in my mind ). The jumps from chip to chip are more consistent. You don't have the (wasted?) 2x jump from T500 to T1000. They are all either 4x or 5x jump.

So my question is, what are the advantages/disadvantages of one over the other? Seems to me you can minimize your chip purchase with fewer chips ( I know, more is better ) with a more even chip denomination progression vs. having denominations that "seem more natural". But how does one option play over the other? More chips on the table? More making change? Any experience/advice/insight is appreciated. Thanks.

 

[links_slayer]

 

[BGinGA]

Here we go.....

 

[DJ Mack]

Here we go.....

Yeah I'll go warm up the buses.

Suffice it to say to OP he's on the right track. In my experience the T500/T2000/T10000 plays more smoothly for the reasons he indicated.

 

[arch3r]

Oh, so this is one of those "How many quarters do you need?" type of questions? :

I surely didn't want to re-stoke a holy war with my post. But I am interested on how one vs the other plays. So I guess I just see where this goes.

 

[DJ Mack]

I will also add that this was a good opportunity for me to get those oversized CPC chips made. Out of habit players were initially assuming the T2k was a T1k but the oversized chip gave them pause as they stacked and counted. A few orbits after they entered play and people got the hang of it. My suggestion would be don't ask your players what they want because they'll talk you out of it: change is hard, too confusing, not-standard, blah blah blah. As the host, if you think it's a good idea than just do it. Nobody quit over the switch and I enjoy having less work to do.

Some players have commented that they wished other tournaments were this way since there's less change and counting weird stacks like a T1000 and three T500s. It's the same theory of why you wouldn't typically have 25 cent and 50 cent chips at the same time.

 

[rowlin]

If only there was a searchable internet forum with numerous instances of discussion regarding this exact topic...

 

[arch3r]

My suggestion would be don't ask your players what they want

Most of the guys I play with think dice chips are great. Their opinion on chips means nothing to me. They'll get what I give them and LIKE it!.

 

[Trihonda]

When I saw your thread title, even before reading the content, I actually thought about coming in and suggesting you at least consider the T500 - T2000 breakdown. But ya beat me to it.

I’m very torn.... when I was deciding on my custom tourney set, I went through this very debate. I ultimately went with more traditional denoms, even though I understood the 500/2000 made more sense... in hindsight there are times I wish I’d gone that route, but my set plays just fine. Every other game in my area plays the 500/1k/5k chips, so it’s a consistency thing.

Good luck.

 

[ChaosRock]

Both T1K and T2K should work fine. I give the edge to playing with T2Ks though, as it avoids the awkward T500/T1K jump.

I also like to run tourneys with T20K stacks (blinds starting at 50/100) and do not care for stack starting with 5 denoms. So it works well for what I look for in structure.

The bonus is that you can keep your stacks in even racks (12/12/9/7, 40 chips).

All go my customs sets have T2Ks. I have plenty of sets with T1K also but couldn't choose on those.

But yes, it does take a few orbits for players to get used to the T2K chip. Oh, and if you go with T2K, you gotta change the T5K with T10K also.

 

[BeesKnees]

I’m definitely on board with the T2000 over the T1000, is there anywhere I could find some debate on a T2500 over a T2000?

 

[BGinGA]

And now part 2 rears its head..... lol

 

[Poker Zombie]

T1000 is classical/traditional. I've seen players hours into a tournament complaining about T2000s, and making incorrect bets. This could be solved by always stating the amount of your raise, but a shit-ton of players don't. I guarentee unhappy players in a T2000 tournament - but I've never know someone to quit attending because of a T2000 chip.

T2000s require more T500 chips to be made as they shift from being a half-step chip to carrying the same weight as any other chip.

For some reason, a lot of people have issues counting in 2's.

I built a spreadsheet once to determine cost savings of the T2000 chip. I forget exactly where the break happened, but if memory serves, if the chips in play total T400,000 or more, the T2000 is cost effective. If the chips in play are under that mark, T1000s are cheaper.

Wherever you fall on the breakdown, nobody is ever upset with T1000s.

 

[BeesKnees]

I did some more poking around and found the answer to my own question.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...2k-5k-vs-500-2k-10k-discuss.9352/#post-130349

 

[Blaster]

 

[allforcharity]

My 8-denom ceramic set breaks down into two separate tourney progressions, T500/T2K/T10K/T50K and T1K/T5K/T25K/T100K, each with separate colour and art although the theme is consistent througout. Any chip migration between these progressions would be quite obvious, so security is built in.

 

[BeesKnees]

My 8-denom ceramic set breaks down into two separate tourney progressions, T500/T2K/T10K/T50K and T1K/T5K/T25K/T100K, each with separate colour and art although the theme is consistent througout. Any chip migration between these progressions would be quite obvious, so security is built in.

Pics or they don’t exist.

 

[BSteck]

How about a high-denom baller set?

1000/5000/25,000/100,000

 

[Jeff]

I’m tarded and the $2000 chip in a tourney constantly trips me up. So used to $500, $1000, $5000 that I constantly counted the $2000 as a $1000.

 

[allforcharity]

Pics or they don’t exist.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/the-best-ceramic-chip-design-you-ever-saw.25752/page-2

 

[allforcharity]

T5/T25/T100/T500 and T1000/T5000/T25000/T100000 makes perfect sense. Two tourney progressions, four denoms each, highest chip is 100x value of lowest chip. All the denoms you'll ever need, all in play. Can play simultaneously without worrying about chip migration.

 

[BGinGA]

what are the advantages/disadvantages of one over the other?

how does one option play over the other?

All pretty much covered in this thread already and in the thread linked below. Shortened summary follows.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/500-1k-5k-vs-500-2k-5k-vs-500-2k-10k-discuss.9352/

T500/T1000/T5000/T25000 pros/cons:

• more common, especially if a lot of your players are casino tourney regulars
• arguably works better for smaller stack and field sizes
• not as many T500 chips required
• larger sets require all four denominations above (plus T25/T100), so six total
• larger stacks require five denominations (T25-T5000) to construct
• inefficient 2x jump renders T500 sorta useless but still required

T500/T2000/T10000/T50000 pros/cons:

• allows more efficient use of chips during play (and in building sets, cost-wise)
• works very well for large stacks (20K+) and large fields (2+ tables)
• improved efficiency of T2000 and T10000 chips allows large sets to consist of only five denominations (T25-T10K, no T50K needed)
• allows large stacks to contain only four denomination chips (T25-T2000)
• less common, may confuse some players (see below for solutions)

this was a good opportunity for me to get those oversized CPC chips made. Out of habit players were initially assuming the T2k was a T1k but the oversized chip gave them pause as they stacked and counted.

This is a great point -- anything that makes the T2000 chip NOT easily confused with a 'normal' T1000 chip is highly advisable. Making them oversize definitely helps, as does using plaques or octogons instead of standard 39mm chips for the T2000 denomination.

I also advocate that the ~color~ used for a T2000 chip NOT be one that is commonly used for T1000 chips -- using yellow or orange seems to cause more confusion and forgetfulness than does using a radically different color for the T2000. And since there are no 'standard' color(s) for T2000, you can make it anything you desire, within reason: white works really well, as does most red or pink shades (depending on the adjacent T500 chip color). Gray and blue also work well, although I like using blue for the T10000 chip. Anything but yellow or orange.

My personal T2000/T10000 color preference using the CPC palette is bright white and peacock, which really tops out a set with some punch.

 

[Lars]

I have built sets both ways. I prefer the 500 2000 sets. I switch between sets and have never had a problem with people confusing the 1K for 2K over vice versa.