Tourney STT vs MTT (1 Viewer)

[GamingWithChips]

Apologies if this has been discussed but I couldn’t find much in my searches…but maybe I’m just terrible at using the search function…feel free to throw a PCF link in my face if I didn’t find the thread and I’ll do some more reading lol.



I’ve only ever run a small STT (4-8 players), but I do want to eventually have a MTT (even if it’s just two tables of 6 people).

For those who have experience in both, could I get some advice on the differences in how the tournaments run? Obviously logistically as the host, running two tables is more difficult to manage, but I’m more looking for things that maybe you didn’t expect or would like to have known before you attempted one.

- One thing in particular is do you find there are more or less rebuys overall (if you allow them)? My STT typically rebuys 50%.
- Do you think it’s better to have less chips because you are the organizer who will do all of the work (rebuys, colour ups etc)? This concerns starting stacks for a T500 base of 6/12/12/x (or 10/10/7/x) vs 4/8/8/x. Or do you think reducing the chips hurts playability too much. Also, if there are more rebuys, then there would be more chips on the table, so this could maybe balance out?
- Are there certain ways you’d build your MTT set vs a STT?
- Anything else you think is relevant to MTT vs STT that you’d offer as advice would be appreciated.


Thank you!

 

[TheRealStephen12]

As a person who has read a lot on the forum but never played a live tournament, here's some preliminary information before others with experience chime in.

- One thing in particular is do you find there are more or less rebuys overall (if you allow them)? My STT typically rebuys 50%.
It would be the same ratio in theory; the actual number itself would obviously increase.

- Do you think it’s better to have less chips because you are the organizer who will do all of the work (rebuys, colour ups etc)? This concerns starting stacks for a T500 base of 6/12/12/x (or 10/10/7/x) vs 4/8/8/x. Or do you think reducing the chips hurts playability too much. Also, if there are more rebuys, then there would be more chips on the table, so this could maybe balance out?
Reducing chips can hurt playability. 4/8/8/x in Base T500 is the slimmest you want to go, but it can be done. Maybe plan to buy at 4/8/8/x for the most you think you'd ever have, which allows for 6/12/12/x for two thirds of that volume. Rebuys should only be large denomination chips, with the rebuyer making change at the table.

- Are there certain ways you’d build your MTT set vs a STT?
Just multiply everything correctly, and make sure you have a few extra higher denomination chips if you need them for another color up (though unless it was a really deepstacked tournament, you shouldn't need to color up anything past 1Ks on a T500 base, 2-table MTT).

- Anything else you think is relevant to MTT vs STT that you’d offer as advice would be appreciated.
Really can't help you here. If you want a potential breakdown, though, here's one for T200K starting stacks and rebuys for up to 20 players:

80/160/160/160/40 (600 chips)
4/8/8/6 starting stacks for 20 players (6/12/12/5 for up to 13)
0/0/0/8 for color ups and the first 4 rebuys
0/0/0/0/2 for 20 more rebuys

 

[Preditor]

- One thing in particular is do you find there are more or less rebuys overall (if you allow them)? My STT typically rebuys 50%.

May seem weird, but in my experience rebuys are less when I have 2 tables. It goes from about 33% to 20%. Not sure why. Maybe because there are more chips in play? Or when 6 players at a table instead of 8 there are more hands? Or people know there are more people to get through so they play more conservatively?

That being said, if you have 50% now, budget for that.

Do you think it’s better to have less chips because you are the organizer who will do all of the work (rebuys, colour ups etc)? This concerns starting stacks for a T500 base of 6/12/12/x (or 10/10/7/x) vs 4/8/8/x. Or do you think reducing the chips hurts playability too much. Also, if there are more rebuys, then there would be more chips on the table, so this could maybe balance out?

I run a T25. My rule of thumb? If I have two tables or less, I run 12/12/5/6 for my first 10K. If I have more than two tables? 8/8/4/7 for my own sanity.

Are there certain ways you’d build your MTT set vs a STT?

You just need to run the numbers. Though if you build out a larger-chips-per-person stack with a single table, it should be able to expand if you move to a less-chips-per-person stackk. I made an excel sheet to help me determine how many players I could get with 12/12/5/6 and how far that could stretch to 8/8/4/7.

Anything else you think is relevant to MTT vs STT that you’d offer as advice would be appreciated.

• Get familiar with seating/balancing/breaking tables. Either use the Chris Manzoni style or a program like Blind Valet.
• Try to have a"table captain" at any table you're not at; a player who is familiar with poker who can step in with any debates among the players so you don't need to stand up from your table for each little squabble.
• Keep dealing consistent across the tables. If one table has a dedicated dealer, the other should as well. If one table is self-dealt, the other should be self-dealt. This increases the chance that the number of hands per minute is similar across the tables.
• Have chip racks available for players changing seats so your chips don't end up on the floor.
• I prefer 8-max tournaments, but I do 9-max for the final table. If you do an 8-max final table, you'll be stuck with a table of 5 and a table of 4 for a while on the bubble. So I reccomend making it 9 players for the final table.

 

[Flopalopagus]

11 is a dreaded number for 2 tables but it is what it is.
There are typically more rebuys with more than one table.
More people are likely to bust out earlier with more aggressive play.
There are also many more hands dealt and blinds can get to you more often.

I like more chips if you have’em. I don’t mind managing color ups, rebuys, add-ons, etc. as the host. To me it’s actually a bit fun.

You want to make sure that you have an adequate number of chips (more for mtt) to accommodate the number of players you can host + rebuys/add-ons.

There is a good chance that you’ll want a higher denom chip to color up your biggest starting stack denomination. 5k to color up some of the 1ks toward the end or even 25k status chips to color up the 1k/5k towards the end (in a deep stack t100). It helps a little bit with clean up to start changing out some of the chips as more bust out (especially if it’s you).