Cash Game Starting Stack Logic - A Real Question (1 Viewer)

[Chippy365]

Thanks! Would you say it's enough as in there is rarely a time players need to make change? Or enough as in players make change somewhat regularly but it's not a hassle at all?

Change is made, but no hassle to anyone, most times if they call the blind, they put in a dollar announcing a call and taking the previous players .50c...the hassle would be counting everyone out with excessive. 25c chips to us.

 

[WedgeRock]

TLDRed the thread, so it may have been mentioned, but in our game, we rotate the deal, two decks. So when it's your turn to deal, there's a deck in front of you with a cut card in top. Cut it and start the deal. Easy, right?

There are a couple guys who will stack a pot they won before they start to deal. It drives me crazy. We all wait while they stack their chips. This is made worse if there are a ton of small chips in the pot.

IMO, 12x25¢ is fine. Anything more is also fine, but overkill. 8x25¢ is shortish, but can work.

There is a difference in the way the game plays if you start with

12x25¢
17x$1
6x$5

compared to when you start with

8x25¢
8x$1
8x$5

 

[SteveEH]

One guideline I use is to put out 30-50 chips per person for the initial buy-in no matter what the stakes. People like having a nice stack of chips to start.

This, and even MoAr if you're playing limit! I couldn't stand it if I only had 8 quarters, or 12 for that matter, in my stack. 16 minimum, but again preferably a full barrel.

For re-buys I also have a few extra barrels of the $1 workhorse chips, and the rest are $5 value chip.

More chip, more fun!

 

[Chippy365]

TLDRed the thread, so it may have been mentioned, but in our game, we rotate the deal, two decks. So when it's your turn to deal, there's a deck in front of you with a cut card in top. Cut it and start the deal. Easy, right?

There are a couple guys who will stack a pot they won before they start to deal. It drives me crazy. We all wait while they stack their chips. This is made worse if there are a ton of small chips in the pot.

IMO, 12x25¢ is fine. Anything more is also fine, but overkill. 8x25¢ is shortish, but can work.

There is a difference in the way the game plays if you start with

12x25¢
17x$1
6x$5

compared to when you start with

8x25¢
8x$1
8x$5

8 per player gives more than enough on the table, 80 quarters is lots and of the night we don't waste a pile of time counting all those extras that imo are over kill, as they are used for blinds and work horse is the $1.00 and $5.00's. Try it out, your hosts and players alike will thank you after those big win cash outs!

 

[upNdown]

IMO, 12x25¢ is fine. Anything more is also fine, but overkill. 8x25¢ is shortish, but can work.

There is a difference in the way the game plays if you start with

12x25¢
17x$1
6x$5

compared to when you start with

8x25¢
8x$1
8x$5

I've been doing 12 x .25 and 22x$1 for a .25/.50 game and that has been great. I would have gone 17 for the $1s, but the set was short on $5s, so i figured why not save some $5's out of the gate and get more $1s on the table? I like it. But we're talking about minor variations. I've always thought that one rack of quarters and two racks of ones is the perfect amount - I wouldn't want any more or any less.

 

[Eriks]

I like lots of chips. We play 5/5 SEK ($0.5/0.5) with 1k buy-ins of:

5 x 30
25 x 22
100 x 3

 

[WedgeRock]

I've been doing 12 x .25 and 22x$1 for a .25/.50 game and that has been great. I would have gone 17 for the $1s, but the set was short on $5s, so i figured why not save some $5's out of the gate and get more $1s on the table? I like it. But we're talking about minor variations. I've always thought that one rack of quarters and two racks of ones is the perfect amount - I wouldn't want any more or any less.

I agree. 120 fracs can support a 10-person game with 12x25¢ in starting stacks, but my OCD has issues with the odd barrel of fracs. If you go with 100 fracs, you can still give out 12x25¢ in the first 8 starting stacks. Player #9 and #10 get 4 and 0 fracs respectively, but there are enough on the table by that time.

 

[DoubleEagle]

20 fracs per player and the rest in $1’s. Don’t break out the $5’s until all your $1’s are on the table.

 

[Nedkelly]

20 francs per player and the rest in $1’s. Don’t break out the $5’s until all your $1’s are on the table.

This ^^^

I have a similar stakes game, with newish beginners. I have 1 rack of quarters, I get them all out on the table with the first five buy ins. The rest in 1s. And I have plenty of 1s! As we are getting ready for the first hand, first beer etc, I tell players to exchange Fracs so they get spread around. Occasionally someone will exchange for Fracs with his neighbour during the night. No big deal.

I’m a big fan or MOAR chips. Particularly for newish players. Everyone wants a decent stack in front of them, doesn’t matter how little the chip is worth. It also encourages betting. People try to hold on to those stored value chips!

 

[LeLe]

If I am playing 25c/50c or $1/$2 I give 20 Lowest denomination to the first 5 person and keep the number at 100 as I will rather invest more in workhorse chip which is $1 or $5 in this case

If I am playing 50c/$1 I will give 10 Lowest denomination (50c) to each instead

 

[UnluckyGuy]

I enjoy having lots of chips in play and so do the others I play with. I make sure to give newer players more of the lower denomination chips so it’s less intimidating and people can have bigger stacks.

 

[allforcharity]

Everybody wants more chips in play - that's a given. It looks good, encourages action, etc. No arguments here.

The ultimate question is: can you afford it? For us low stakes players, it comes down to fracs, which on average are probably the most expensive chips to acquire. Finding a suitable candidate, acquiring enough at a reasonable price. Milling or delabelling costs and time, label production, it all adds up.

The 0.25/0.50 games I have played in have never required more than 100 quarters. And that's a good thing if your second rack will cost you more than $600 in procurement and effort.

 

[Chippy365]

Thanks! Would you say it's enough as in there is rarely a time players need to make change? Or enough as in players make change somewhat regularly but it's not a hassle at all?

No hassle at all, you will sometimes find a player had a tower of .25c chips and always happy to sell to others for $1.00's

 

[Chippy365]

I agree. 120 fracs can support a 10-person game with 12x25¢ in starting stacks, but my OCD has issues with the odd barrel of fracs. If you go with 100 fracs, you can still give out 12x25¢ in the first 8 starting stacks. Player #9 and #10 get 4 and 0 fracs respectively, but there are enough on the table by that time.

If you have OCD then try 8x.25 8X$1.00 8x $5.00 problem solved, and no unnecessary excessive fracs on the table, nor odd-numbers of chips

 

[WedgeRock]

If you go with 100 fracs, you can still give out 12x25¢ in the first 8 starting stacks. Player #9 and #10 get 4 and 0 fracs respectively, but there are enough on the table by that time.

If you have OCD then try 8x.25 8X$1.00 8x $5.00 problem solved, and no unnecessary excessive fracs on the table, nor odd-numbers of chips

I'd rather make sure there are enough fracs to start than to trickle them in.

 

[dav84x]

I'd rather make sure there are enough fracs to start than to trickle them in.

Agreed, I like it even to start for all players if possible with only workhorse and larger coming in later.