Tourney Stack, breakdown advice for 2 table tournament, light on 1K's (1 Viewer)

[TheBigTater]

I just finished acquiring a tournament set that I love but is a little unbalanced (at least it seems to me), heavy on the 25/100/500 and light on 1K's. Single table is not a problem but it's seems just a little light on 1K's for 2 tables (maybe it isn't and it's just me). I'd really like to use this as efficiently as possible for 2 tables and am looking for suggestions from the experts for the best breakdown/starting stacks for 2 tables, 20 runners, T10k tournament, freezout no rebuys. I know I could probably use unbalanced starting stacks but would like to keep starting stacks equal for everyone.

Chips:
25 x 200
100 x 200
500 x 100
1000 x 80
5000 x 40

Also have 10000 x 20 which could supplement the 5K's. Never used 10K chips but they are there.

I'm a cash guy, not so much a tournament guy. When I do run tournaments it's mostly STT. Thanks for any advice.

 

[andy699669]

Questions:
1. Do you use the T5000 chips in starting stacks?
2. Why are you using fewer T1000 chips in starting stacks? That's the workhorse chip for tournaments early-to-mid game.

 

[TheBigTater]

Questions:
1. Do you use the T5000 chips in starting stacks?
2. Why are you using fewer T1000 chips in starting stacks? That's the workhorse chip for tournaments early-to-mid game.

1: I'm not adverse to using 5K's in the starting stacks.

2: Normally I would use like 8/8/6/6 starting stacks but the set doesn't have enough 1K's to do that. I realize 1K's are workhorse chips. That's what I'm asking advice on. I'm looking for the most efficient stacks/breakdown with what i have to work with.

 

[andy699669]

Hmmm...
Just add 20x T500 chips and 60x T1000 chips, will be enough colour-up armaments with 20x T1000 to colour-up both greens and blacks. Keep others untouched, or if you want a T20,000 tournament add 20x T5000 to colour-up the T500 chips.

 

[TheBigTater]

Thanks but I guess I didn't make it very clear.

Set is a custom ASM set made some time ago. There are no more chips out there to add-on with. Yes it might be possible to go to CPC and try and do an add-on but not fiscally feasible plus the problem with color matching old ASM vs new CPC colors. Basically what I got is what I got. I will use as a STT set but would like to possibly use as a MTT set if I can.

 

[RichMahogany]

8/8/4/2/1 10k for 20 players

 

[andy699669]

Thanks but I guess I didn't make it very clear.

Set is a custom ASM set made some time ago. There are no more chips out there to add-on with. Yes it might be possible to go to CPC and try and do an add-on but not fiscally feasible plus the problem with color matching old ASM vs new CPC colors. Basically what I got is what I got. I will use as a STT set but would like to possibly use as a MTT set if I can.

160x T25
160x T100
140x T500
140x T1000
20x T5000

Above set is enough for 20-players 8-8-6-6 stacks, or if you want the more standard 8-8-4-7, reduce 20 T500 chips and add 20 more T1000 chips. Either way you'd have sufficient colour-up armaments of 20 T1000 to colour-up the T25 and T100 chips. If you decide to colour-up T500 chips the maximum number of T5000 chips if you use 8-8-6-6-? is 12 chips.

More questions:
1. Are you considering to have tournaments with more than T10,000 starting chips?
2. By any chance, can you show the pictures your aforementioned set you mentioned earlier as reference?.

8/8/4/2/1 10k for 20 players

For T10,000 tournaments he doesn't want T5000 chips in the starting stack.

 

[v1pe]

160x T25
160x T100
140x T500
140x T1000
20x T5000

Above set is enough for 20-players 8-8-6-6 stacks, or if you want the more standard 8-8-4-7, reduce 20 T500 chips and add 20 more T1000 chips. Either way you'd have sufficient colour-up armaments of 20 T1000 to colour-up the T25 and T100 chips. If you decide to colour-up T500 chips the maximum number of T5000 chips if you use 8-8-6-6-? is 12 chips

I don't think you're getting what Tater is laying down. He can't add on to the set and is asking for advice based on his existing available chips.

 

[andy699669]

I don't think you're getting what Tater is laying down. He can't add on to the set and is asking for advice based on his existing available chips.

I say that the set is impossible to use for two-table tournament set, and he doesn't want T5000 in starting chips for T10,000 stacks. So, he made a mistake from the start if he wants to have a 2-Table tourney, that set is only good for single table tourneys.

 

[Gameface]

I don't think you're getting what Tater is laying down. He can't add on to the set and is asking for advice based on his existing available chips.

But if he just added more 1ks though...

 

[andy699669]

But if he just added more 1ks though...

He talked about ASM and CPC colour matching problems, noticeably the pink colour, and it's impossible for him to get some addons due to funds shortage.

 

[RichMahogany]

he doesn't want T5000 in starting chips for T10,000 stacks.

Ummm...

1: I'm not adverse to using 5K's in the starting stacks.

 

[v1pe]

1: I'm not adverse to using 5K's in the starting stacks.

I say that the set is impossible to use for two-table tournament set, and he doesn't want T5000 in starting chips for T10,000 stacks. So, he made a mistake from the start if he wants to have a 2-Table tourney, that set is only good for single table tourneys.

It's certainly not ideal for a 2 table tourney, but I wouldn't think it's impossible. Sounds to me like he's open to different options. Anyway, I don't mean to thread crap here, I don't have much to offer in regards to advice, I'm just curious regarding the solution.

 

[RichMahogany]

I say that the set is impossible to use for two-table tournament set, and he doesn't want T5000 in starting chips for T10,000 stacks. So, he made a mistake from the start if he wants to have a 2-Table tourney, that set is only good for single table tourneys.

Definitely NOT impossible for this set although not ideal IMO. At 8/8/4/2/1 stacks you’d use 20 extra T1000s, which is enough to color up 160 T25s and 160 T100s. Then only 8 more T5000s to color up the 80 T500s being used.

 

[andy699669]

Oh, I see. . Didn't caught on that fact.

 

[TheBigTater]

I say that the set is impossible to use for two-table tournament set, and he doesn't want T5000 in starting chips for T10,000 stacks. So, he made a mistake from the start if he wants to have a 2-Table tourney, that set is only good for single table tourneys.

He talked about ASM and CPC colour matching problems, noticeably the pink colour, and it's impossible for him to get some addons due to funds shortage.

WTF.

I never said I didn't want 5K's in the starting stack. I said I'm "not adverse" to using them.

Yes adding on would require matching old ASM colors with newer color of CPC chips which would kick my OCD into gear because of the color variance.

Never did I mention "pink color" chips. In fact, there are no pink colored chips at all.

And not impossible to get funds, I just don't want to buy 300 chips to add-on 100 or so (plus the color thingy).

I think the only mistake I made is maybe starting this thread.

 

[Poker Zombie]

8/8/4/2/1 10k for 20 players

No - There is a very real possibility with this starting stack that someone would need change, and nobody at the table can make it.

I'll check through my recipe book and see if I have something for you. I'm pretty sure I do...

 

[Poker Zombie]

Question... Are you adamant that it must be T10,000?

 

[andy699669]

Sorry for the rather shitty advice, but the rule of thumb for a good poker chip set is correct planning from the very start.

 

[TheBigTater]

Question... Are you adamant that it must be T10,000?

Not necessarily but I would like to yeah, it's what most are used to.

Sorry for the rather shitty advice, but the rule of thumb for a good poker chip set is correct planning from the very start.

I realize the set is not optimal for 2 tables and I didn't buy it for that purpose, just trying to find a way to stretch it if possible.

Definitely NOT impossible for this set although not ideal IMO. At 8/8/4/2/1 stacks you’d use 20 extra T1000s, which is enough to color up 160 T25s and 160 T100s. Then only 8 more T5000s to color up the 80 T500s being used.

I believe this is where the 10K chips might come in handy for color ups

 

[Frogzilla]

No - There is a very real possibility with this starting stack that someone would need change, and nobody at the table can make it.

I'll check through my recipe book and see if I have something for you. I'm pretty sure I do...

Agreed. People have mentioned 50k stacks with a 25k and I’m shocked they don’t run into issues.

A creative alternative: One could consider two different starting stacks (10x type a, 10x type b, 5 of each type per table) that would be optimal for chip distribution on the table, but you have the weirdness of different starting stacks.

A:
12x 25
12x 100
7x 500
5x 1000

B:
8x 25
8x 100
2x 500
3x 1000
1x 5000

 

[andy699669]

This thread made me :::...

 

[TheBigTater]

Agreed. People have mentioned 50k stacks with a 25k and I’m shocked they don’t run into issues.

A creative alternative: One could consider two different starting stacks (10x type a, 10x type b, 5 of each type per table) that would be optimal for chip distribution on the table, but you have the weirdness of different starting stacks.

A:
12x 25
12x 100
7x 500
5x 1000

B:
8x 25
8x 100
2x 500
3x 1000
1x 5000

Sorta liking, might still run into change issues and I'd only have 5K's to do color ups but it could work. I'd still like to have equal stack sizes but I'm wondering if that's going to be possible. I'm afraid most solutions are going to come with problems.

 

[bentax1978]

I'd still like to have equal stack sizes but I'm wondering if that's going to be possible.

I prefer equal starting stacks, but given your constraints, I'd probably make an exception. After a less than an orbit, it's not like it really matters as chips have started to flow and no one has "equal" starting stacks anymore.

 

[Blaster]

Just a thought, if you ever wanted to get more from CPC, but not 300, you could piggyback on another member's similar mold order & be able to get 80, 100 or 150 ..
You could even both get the additionals & actually "replace" all the old color with the new for less than a 300 chip add on..

 

[TheBigTater]

Just a thought, if you ever wanted to get more from CPC, but not 300, you could piggyback on another member's similar mold order & be able to get 80, 100 or 150 ..
You could even both get the additionals & actually "replace" all the old color with the new for less than a 300 chip add on..

Yeah, I know the universal solutions to all chip problems is "moar chips".

Besides not many folks around here are doing orders on the diecar mold. Chippers seem to have a dislike for chips with dice on them around these parts for some reason.

I told the seller while negotiating that it would have made more sense for me to just do a custom set with CPC instead of buying these, but it was chips I've always wanted, so there that....

 

[upNdown]

Agreed. People have mentioned 50k stacks with a 25k and I’m shocked they don’t run into issues.

A creative alternative: One could consider two different starting stacks (10x type a, 10x type b, 5 of each type per table) that would be optimal for chip distribution on the table, but you have the weirdness of different starting stacks.

A:
12x 25
12x 100
7x 500
5x 1000

B:
8x 25
8x 100
2x 500
3x 1000
1x 5000

Without doing the math, this sort of solution is the only way it’s gonna work. You might even get real creative and figure out a way to get all 200 T25s onto the table, so you can color them all up with a single 5k chip.

 

[BGinGA]

I'd really like to use this as efficiently as possible for 2 tables and am looking for suggestions from the experts for the best breakdown/starting stacks for 2 tables, 20 runners, T10k tournament, freezout no rebuys. I know I could probably use unbalanced starting stacks but would like to keep starting stacks equal for everyone.

Chips:
25 x 200
100 x 200
500 x 100
1000 x 80
5000 x 40

Also have 10000 x 20 which could supplement the 5K's.

Really only two solutions if using equal starting stacks:

• 8/8/2/3/1 stacks -- requires a 160/160/40/80/25 set, using T1000 chips for T25/T100 color-ups and T5000 chips for T500 color-ups.
• 8/8/4/2/1 stacks:-- requires a 160/160/80/80/24 set, again using T1000 chips for T25/T100 color-ups and a combo of T1000 and T5000 chips for T500 color-ups.

The first option gets more T1000 chips into play earlier, but at the expense of too few T500s in play. Given the better multi-stack option below, I'd choose neither of these.

The following uses two different starting stacks, and is the most efficient use of the set by far:

• 10x stacks of 12/12/5/1/1 -- put five stacks on each table
• 10x stacks of 8/8/4/7 -- put five stacks on each table

Using T5000 chips for all color-ups, this option requires a 200/200/90/80/26 set, and gets all of the available T25-T1000 denomination chips into play immediately except for 10x T500.

 

[BGinGA]

People have mentioned 50k stacks with a 25k and I’m shocked they don’t run into issues.

That's because using a T5000 chip in a T10000 stack is very different than using a T25K chip in a T50000 stack. In the former, the lower denomination chips (T25-T1000) only total T5000, and can create change-making issues In the latter, those same lower denomination chips typically total T10000 (or more). T10K in lower denominations is plenty, but only T5000 in a starting stack is really cutting it close.

 

[BGinGA]

8/8/4/2/1 10k for 20 players

No - There is a very real possibility with this starting stack that someone would need change, and nobody at the table can make it.

True, but the house can always exchange a player's T5000 chip for 5x T1000s that are in reserve for color-ups. Better to just get 'em on the felt to start with, however.