Tourney Single table: T25 base T10k or T20k structures & breakdowns (1 Viewer)

[5aces]

Since I was dissatisfied with the structure of my last home game, I looked around the forum and played a bit with Excel. The aim is to get more consistency/regularity and to find out whether my sets are sufficient for my needs or whether I need to improve them. Next to that the tournament should finish after 3-4 hours, because most players want to play cash game, too.

We are a maximum of 10 players. NLHE is played without ante. I finally allowed rebuys and add-ons up to level 6 (each level 20 min.). Last time we played T20k with 12/12/5/6/2. T10K is possible without the 2 x 5k's. I have two tournament sets (well three, but two are T25 base) with the following breakdowns:

ESST: 25/100/500/1k/5k/25k

• 120
• 120
• 80
• 80
• 60
• 20

AST: 25/100/500/1k/5k/25k

• 120
• 120
• 50
• 80
• 50
• 10

Structure for T20K:

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	50	100	20
2	75	150	20	150%
3	100	200	20	133%
4	150	300	20	150%	T25
5	200	400	20	133%
6	300	600	20	150%	Last RB
7	400	800	20	133%
8	600	1.200	20	150%
9	800	1.600	20	133%
10	1.200	2.400	20	150%
11	1.800	3.600	20	150%	T100
12	2.500	5.000	20	139%
13	3.500	7.000	20	140%
14	5.000	10.000	20	143%
15	7.000	14.000	20	140%
16	10.000	20.000	20	143%
17	15.000	30.000	20	150%
18	25.000	50.000	20	167%
19	50.000	100.000	20	200%

Structure for T10K:

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	25	50	20
2	50	100	20	200%
3	75	150	20	150%
4	125	250	20	167%	T25
5	200	400	20	160%
6	300	600	20	150%	Last RB
7	500	1.000	20	167%
8	800	1.600	20	160%
9	1.300	2.600	20	163%	T100
10	2.000	4.000	20	154%
11	3.000	6.000	20	150%
12	5.000	10.000	20	167%
13	8.000	16.000	20	160%
14	13.000	26.000	20	163%
15	20.000	40.000	20	154%
16	30.000	60.000	20	150%

My first thoughts: The ESST set has too many 500's. To respect the time limit, the starting stacks should be T10K base or the T20k structure should needs to be adjusted for increases of around 160%.

What are your thoughts? Reccomendations?

 

[Santa123]

Since I was dissatisfied with the structure of my last home game, I looked around the forum and played a bit with Excel. The aim is to get more consistency/regularity and to find out whether my sets are sufficient for my needs or whether I need to improve them. Next to that the tournament should finish after 3-4 hours, because most players want to play cash game, too.

We are a maximum of 10 players. NLHE is played without ante. I finally allowed rebuys and add-ons up to level 6 (each level 20 min.). Last time we played T20k with 12/12/5/6/2. T10K is possible without the 2 x 5k's. I have two tournament sets (well three, but two are T25 base) with the following breakdowns:

ESST: 25/100/500/1k/5k/25k

• 120
• 120
• 80
• 80
• 60
• 20

AST: 25/100/500/1k/5k/25k

• 120
• 120
• 50
• 80
• 50
• 10

Structure for T20K:

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	50	100	20
2	75	150	20	150%
3	100	200	20	133%
4	150	300	20	150%	T25
5	200	400	20	133%
6	300	600	20	150%	Last RB
7	400	800	20	133%
8	600	1.200	20	150%
9	800	1.600	20	133%
10	1.200	2.400	20	150%
11	1.800	3.600	20	150%	T100
12	2.500	5.000	20	139%
13	3.500	7.000	20	140%
14	5.000	10.000	20	143%
15	7.000	14.000	20	140%
16	10.000	20.000	20	143%
17	15.000	30.000	20	150%
18	25.000	50.000	20	167%
19	50.000	100.000	20	200%

Structure for T10K:

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	25	50	20
2	50	100	20	200%
3	75	150	20	150%
4	125	250	20	167%	T25
5	200	400	20	160%
6	300	600	20	150%	Last RB
7	500	1.000	20	167%
8	800	1.600	20	160%
9	1.300	2.600	20	163%	T100
10	2.000	4.000	20	154%
11	3.000	6.000	20	150%
12	5.000	10.000	20	167%
13	8.000	16.000	20	160%
14	13.000	26.000	20	163%
15	20.000	40.000	20	154%
16	30.000	60.000	20	150%

My first thoughts: The ESST set has too many 500's. To respect the time limit, the starting stacks should be T10K base or the T20k structure should needs to be adjusted for increases of around 160%.

What are your thoughts? Reccomendations?

I recommend standard blind levels.

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400
300/600
400/800
600/1200
800/1600
1000/2000 or 1200/2400
1500/3000
2k/4k
3k/6k
....

 

[w00zie]

This is my go-to post when it comes to STT T25 base:
Post in thread '(T25) My First Tourney Help, Lots of Little Questions'
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...p-lots-of-little-questions.67298/post-1350844

 

[5aces]

This is my go-to post when it comes to STT T25 base:
Post in thread '(T25) My First Tourney Help, Lots of Little Questions'
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...p-lots-of-little-questions.67298/post-1350844

I am sure, that I've read this posting while thinking about my breakdowns. Thanks for the tag! There are a lot of infos!!

 

[BGinGA]

You are calculating your blind increase percentages incorrectly. Doubling the blinds is a 100% increase, so going from 25/50 to 50/100 is a 100% increase (not 200%). Going from 50/100 to 75/150 is a 50% increase (not 150%) -- divide the total increase in blinds by the previous total blinds amount to get the increase percentage (75 ÷ 150 = 0.5, or 50% in that last example).

If wanting to finish a single-table 200BB tournament in under 4 hours with 20 minute blind levels, you will need to use a relatively aggressive structure similar to this:

L1 25/50 (--)
L2 50/100 (100%)
L3 75/150 (50%)
L4 125/250 (67%)
remove T25 chips
L5 200/400 (60%)
L6 300/600 (50%)
L7 500/1000 (67%)
L8 800/1600 (60%)
L9 1300/2600 (63%)
remove T100/T500 chips
L10 2000/4000 (54%)
L11 3000/6000 (50%)
L12 5000/10000 (67%)
L13 8000/16000 (60%)

For 10k starting stacks, begin with L1 (25/50, which is 200bb) and play should finish by L11 3k/6k (3:40 plus breaks).

For 20k starting stacks, begin with L2 (50/100, also 200bb) and play should finish by L12 5k/10k (also 3:40 plus breaks).

An adequate T25-base set for T10k/T20k stacks (12/12/5/6/x) would contain:

120 x T25
120 x T100
50 x T500
75 x T1000 (15x for color-ups)
45 x T5000 (5x for color-ups, 20x for re-buys)

No T25k chips are needed.

 

[Nine_high]

Since I was dissatisfied with the structure of my last home game, I looked around the forum and played a bit with Excel. The aim is to get more consistency/regularity and to find out whether my sets are sufficient for my needs or whether I need to improve them. Next to that the tournament should finish after 3-4 hours, because most players want to play cash game, too.

We are a maximum of 10 players. NLHE is played without ante. I finally allowed rebuys and add-ons up to level 6 (each level 20 min.). Last time we played T20k with 12/12/5/6/2. T10K is possible without the 2 x 5k's. I have two tournament sets (well three, but two are T25 base) with the following breakdowns:

ESST: 25/100/500/1k/5k/25k

• 120
• 120
• 80
• 80
• 60
• 20

AST: 25/100/500/1k/5k/25k

• 120
• 120
• 50
• 80
• 50
• 10

Structure for T20K:

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	50	100	20
2	75	150	20	150%
3	100	200	20	133%
4	150	300	20	150%	T25
5	200	400	20	133%
6	300	600	20	150%	Last RB
7	400	800	20	133%
8	600	1.200	20	150%
9	800	1.600	20	133%
10	1.200	2.400	20	150%
11	1.800	3.600	20	150%	T100
12	2.500	5.000	20	139%
13	3.500	7.000	20	140%
14	5.000	10.000	20	143%
15	7.000	14.000	20	140%
16	10.000	20.000	20	143%
17	15.000	30.000	20	150%
18	25.000	50.000	20	167%
19	50.000	100.000	20	200%

Structure for T10K:

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	25	50	20
2	50	100	20	200%
3	75	150	20	150%
4	125	250	20	167%	T25
5	200	400	20	160%
6	300	600	20	150%	Last RB
7	500	1.000	20	167%
8	800	1.600	20	160%
9	1.300	2.600	20	163%	T100
10	2.000	4.000	20	154%
11	3.000	6.000	20	150%
12	5.000	10.000	20	167%
13	8.000	16.000	20	160%
14	13.000	26.000	20	163%
15	20.000	40.000	20	154%
16	30.000	60.000	20	150%

My first thoughts: The ESST set has too many 500's. To respect the time limit, the starting stacks should be T10K base or the T20k structure should needs to be adjusted for increases of around 160%.

What are your thoughts? Reccomendations?

I mean, if you're trying to finish up on time to make room for the cash game, why not do this 10k game/structure? And end rebuys when you color up the 25s. It should end around level 11 +/- a level, so 3-4 hrs. You could even skip level 1. I don't see why you couldn't use either set.

Or so what I do, and make all levels 0 min with 0 starting stack, then you can start the cash game right away

 

[5aces]

I adopted the infos from @BGinGA into my Excel and corrected the percentages.

T10K - 3:40 h plus breaks

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	50	100	15
2	75	150	15	50%
3	100	200	15	33%
4	150	300	15	50%	T25
5	200	400	15	33%
6	300	600	15	50%	RB Range 33BB
7	400	800	15	33%	RB Range
8	600	1.200	15	50%	RB Range 17 BB
9	800	1.600	15	33%
10	1.100	2.200	15	38%
11	1.500	3.000	15	36%
12	2.000	4.000	15	33%	T100/500
13	3.000	6.000	15	50%
14	4.000	8.000	15	33%	EOT
15	6.000	12.000	15	50%
16	8.000	16.000	15	33%

T20K - 4:00 h plus breaks

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	25	50	17
2	50	100	17	100%
3	75	150	17	50%
4	100	200	17	33%
5	150	300	17	50%	T25 / RB Range
6	200	400	17	33%	RB Range
7	300	600	17	50%	RB Range
8	400	800	17	33%
9	600	1.200	17	50%
10	800	1.600	17	33%
11	1.100	2.200	17	38%	T100
12	1.500	3.000	17	36%
13	2.000	4.000	17	33%	EOT
14	3.000	6.000	17	50%
15	4.000	8.000	17	33%

If 15-17 minutes are not enough to finish one round per blind:

T10K 3:40h plus breaks:

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	50	100	20
2	75	150	20	50%
3	125	250	20	67%	T25
4	200	400	20	60%
5	300	600	20	50%	RB Range 33BB
6	500	1.000	20	67%	RB Range 17 BB
7	800	1.600	20	60%
8	1.200	2.400	20	50%
9	2.000	4.000	20	67%	T100/500
10	3.000	6.000	20	50%
11	5.000	10.000	20	67%	EOT
12	8.000	16.000	20	60%
13	12.000	24.000	20	50%
14	20.000	40.000	20	67%
15	30.000	60.000	20	50%
16	50.000	100.000	20	67%

T20K 3:40h plus breaks:

Level	SB	BB	Time	% increase	Color Up
1	25	50	20
2	50	100	20	100%
3	75	150	20	50%
4	125	250	20	67%	T25
5	200	400	20	60%	Last RB
6	300	600	20	50%	Last RB
7	500	1.000	20	67%
8	800	1.600	20	60%
9	1.300	2.600	20	63%
10	2.000	4.000	20	54%	T100/500
11	3.000	6.000	20	50%	EOT
12	5.000	10.000	20	67%
13	8.000	16.000	20	60%
14	13.000	26.000	20	63%
15	20.000	40.000	20	54%

 

[5aces]

You are calculating your blind increase percentages incorrectly. Doubling the blinds is a 100% increase, so going from 25/50 to 50/100 is a 100% increase (not 200%). Going from 50/100 to 75/150 is a 50% increase (not 150%) -- divide the total increase in blinds by the previous total blinds amount to get the increase percentage (75 ÷ 150 = 0.5, or 50% in that last example).

If wanting to finish a single-table 200BB tournament in under 4 hours with 20 minute blind levels, you will need to use a relatively aggressive structure similar to this:

L1 25/50 (--)
L2 50/100 (100%)
L3 75/150 (50%)
L4 125/250 (67%)
remove T25 chips
L5 200/400 (60%)
L6 300/600 (50%)
L7 500/1000 (67%)
L8 800/1600 (60%)
L9 1300/2600 (63%)
remove T100/T500 chips
L10 2000/4000 (54%)
L11 3000/6000 (50%)
L12 5000/10000 (67%)
L13 8000/16000 (60%)

For 10k starting stacks, begin with L1 (25/50, which is 200bb) and play should finish by L11 3k/6k (3:40 plus breaks).

For 20k starting stacks, begin with L2 (50/100, also 200bb) and play should finish by L12 5k/10k (also 3:40 plus breaks).

An adequate T25-base set for T10k/T20k stacks (12/12/5/6/x) would contain:

120 x T25
120 x T100
50 x T500
75 x T1000 (15x for color-ups)
45 x T5000 (5x for color-ups, 20x for re-buys)

No T25k chips are needed.

I know, the percentages are wrong (I used the auto fill and don't know the correct formel to substract 100%).
EDIT: To correct that was easier than expected.

Thank you for all the infos you share in this forum @BGinGA

 

[BGinGA]

You are going to have a problem with that L11 4500/9000 if you have already removed the T500 chips after L8.