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I've asked this question in a thread before but never really got an answer.

For a home cash game that uses random seating, how should I do it with two tables?

Option 1: people who signed up first get main table

Option 2: people who arrive first get main table

Option 3: completely random for everyone

I'm leaning towards option 2 as that means the game can start as soon as there's enough people, but I don't know if I want to reward coming early as I probably don't want people thinking they have to show up even before the start time to get a "good" seat.

(2nd table isn't terrible or anything but main table and chairs are better in general.)
 
Tournament -- Random, always. Host gets seat one at main table, though -- Or wherever they prefer.

Cash -- Doesn't matter as much, still prefer a random draw though, if everyone is arriving at the same time. If people are trickling in, start the main table and break when you get to 9-10, randomly pull people from main table.
 
Here’s how I do it:

Game starts at 7:00. Everyone here before 7:00 draws a chip numbered 1-20. If fewer than 10 are here at 7:00, we play with one table until more arrive, then the few who drew the highest numbers (I record who drew which number on my clipboard) have to move to the second table with the late arrivals. If we have two tables to start right away, then the six players with the lowest numbers drawn (or more than 6, if needed to balance tables) will stay at main table and the others will be at the second table. As more players arrive, the new players go to the second table and whichever player drew the lowest number before 7:00, or whoever got here the earliest after 7:00 will be moved to the main table.

Also, the main table always gets the extra player when there is an odd number of players (so 7 at main table, and 6 at second table)
 
I also have separate seating chips for each table, because when you use the 1-20 chips as seating chips, you end up with seats 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 filled at the main table, with seats 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 empty
 
Before the tournament director I would wait until almost all the players were there. I'd use cards from a deck: red cards for one table black cards for another. say A-10 for each table if I'm seating 20. I pull an ace for my spot since I'm near my chip bank and need to get up and down. Then shuffle and each player gets a card. Ace on the other table picks his seat and all others follow off that player. Late arrivals get drawn for but I'm nutty about RSVPs and know exactly who's coming.
 
Here’s how I do it:

Game starts at 7:00. Everyone here before 7:00 draws a chip numbered 1-20. If fewer than 10 are here at 7:00, we play with one table until more arrive, then the few who drew the highest numbers (I record who drew which number on my clipboard) have to move to the second table with the late arrivals. If we have two tables to start right away, then the six players with the lowest numbers drawn (or more than 6, if needed to balance tables) will stay at main table and the others will be at the second table. As more players arrive, the new players go to the second table and whichever player drew the lowest number before 7:00, or whoever got here the earliest after 7:00 will be moved to the main table.

Also, the main table always gets the extra player when there is an odd number of players (so 7 at main table, and 6 at second table)
Gotta be honest, I don't love this. Granted, it's never an issue at my house, because I run one table, but once I settle in, the last thing I would want to do is move to another table (regardless of table quality). Especially if it's Hold 'em only. Hold 'em, after all, is about odds, not random, like a chip draw. I'd rather do rock/paper/scissors. I arrived before 7:00, because I'm never late, and that should earn me the right to choose.

As a host, the last thing I want is another clipboard (task). If I had a loyal player, who can't make the 7PM start, I would reserve that seat, because he/she has earned it.
 
Gotta be honest, I don't love this. Granted, it's never an issue at my house, because I run one table, but once I settle in, the last thing I would want to do is move to another table (regardless of table quality). Especially if it's Hold 'em only. Hold 'em, after all, is about odds, not random, like a chip draw. I'd rather do rock/paper/scissors. I arrived before 7:00, because I'm never late, and that should earn me the right to choose.

As a host, the last thing I want is another clipboard (task). If I had a loyal player, who can't make the 7PM start, I would reserve that seat, because he/she has earned it.
So what if everyone shows up within minutes of each other?

I assume the host doesn't want a line at his door before opening time.....and if done this way, it would be advantageous to arrive somewhere closer to the back half of the pack, so you can select your seat based on who you want on your right/left.

I also don't have any idea how your argument about holdem being 'about odds' applies at all to this debate.
 
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To add -- I think a random draw should occur before tournament time so everyone knows where they're sitting. And if late arrivals are a huge issue, on time chip bonuses should apply.
 
I also do random at my cash game. To mix players who plays often with each others.

2 Tables. Black + red
When they pay the initial buyin they draw a card (prepared before) : 1 to 8 for seat and heart or spade for table.

And if I get some late reg I take care when 4/5 payers remains that all 2 tables get almost same number of player.
I make them draw only for the red or only for the black pep depending what table needs to be filled.

We start when 10/12 people have their seat.
The. Late regs draw the remaining cards when they arrive.
 
So what if everyone shows up within minutes of each other?

I assume the host doesn't want a line at his door before opening time.....and if done this way, it would be advantageous to arrive somewhere closer to the back half of the pack, so you can select your seat based on who you want on your right/left.

I also don't have any idea how your argument about holdem being 'about odds' applies at all to this debate.
I'm saying, its fine to draw numbers if you have more than one table show up. But once seated, why ask other members to move?

You can seat 10 and 12 show up at 7PM. Draw chips to see who sits at the main table, then move on. Why reseat anyone who already has a seat.
 
I've asked this question in a thread before but never really got an answer.

For a home cash game that uses random seating, how should I do it with two tables?

Option 1: people who signed up first get main table

Option 2: people who arrive first get main table

Option 3: completely random for everyone

I'm leaning towards option 2 as that means the game can start as soon as there's enough people, but I don't know if I want to reward coming early as I probably don't want people thinking they have to show up even before the start time to get a "good" seat.

(2nd table isn't terrible or anything but main table and chairs are better in general.)
I put my sign up out for 6 players at table #1 with the start time. If you can't make the start time, you get bumped to table #2. Table two usually makes a few hours after starting and the last two people to arrive at table #1 move to #2 and then have the first option to return as others arrive.
 
We ran two tables for the first time yesterday.

Pulled out A through 8 of Clubs, and A through 8 of Diamonds from an extra deck. Everyone drew random, and grabbed the appropriate seat. Clubs to the Main table, Diamonds to the Secondary. We did the same for seat changes, at scheduled times throughout the evening.

Quick and painless.
 
Gotta be honest, I don't love this. Granted, it's never an issue at my house, because I run one table, but once I settle in, the last thing I would want to do is move to another table (regardless of table quality). Especially if it's Hold 'em only. Hold 'em, after all, is about odds, not random, like a chip draw. I'd rather do rock/paper/scissors. I arrived before 7:00, because I'm never late, and that should earn me the right to choose.

As a host, the last thing I want is another clipboard (task). If I had a loyal player, who can't make the 7PM start, I would reserve that seat, because he/she has earned it.
Depends on the hosting arrangement. My setup is one proper poker table, and one tabletop mat on a folding table, because the demand for seats has outstripped my ability to purchase more tables at the moment. I deal on one, and there's always been a friend who's been happy to be dedicated dealer for the second table, but they're not a poker host or regular dealer. I also only have one Shuffletech, which goes to the table I'm not on, so the experiences on either table obviously vary in their strengths and weaknesses to try and equalise things.

In that kind of setup I'd rather than everyone out of a relatively large playerbase gets a decent chance at experiencing all the various nice things throughout the course of a poker session. As such, I'm tending towards introducing random seat allocation, and a seat redraw after the dinner break.
 
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Interesting. I’ve thought about doing this as I always sit at my home game in the center spot and just let people fill in when they get there. The best player in our group - my friend since high school and college roommate…and the guy who introduced me to poker way back …always sits to my left. A couple months ago I said to him that I noticed he always sat to my left and that I wasn’t allowing it anymore. I told him to sit directly across from me. He laughed, and did what I asked.
 
Random seating.
Numbered cards face down everyone picks one.
Early, late, arrive at same time, doesn't make a difference.

Last person, well their pick is easy there is only one left :D
 
Tourney, just do spots red and black out of a deck. Number is seat position, always random.

Cash, sit where ya want. Just keep the tables as even as you can realistically.
 
At. Cash game it would suck to have to involuntarily change tables, if you’re stuck for some cash you don’t want to involuntarily have to leave it - conversely if the table then gets juicy because a gambler is trying to win his money back you don’t necessarily want that guy to leave, and you don’t want to leave that situation either.
 
Random draw to be fair. Eventually the game will thin out to a single table.
 
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I like doing random, by assigning seats beforehand if possible so that everyone knows where they're going when they show up. That can be difficult though if people come at different times, you don't want too many open seats. The drawback of random is that sometimes players want to sit at the same table as their buddy/spouse/bff. Then again sometimes it's the opposite, "I play with Joe all the time, I don't want to be at his table".

I'm not a big fan of hosting multi table cash games. I don't like the idea of putting someone else in charge of another table unless they're very willing to take on that responsibility. But if I do, then I prefer it to be first come first serve at the table, sit anywhere and when we get enough players to spill over onto the 2nd table, we random draw who goes to the loser second table. Though I prefer random, this works better logistically IMO.
 
I don't entirely understand how there can be multiple options. If you have 8 people at start time, you seat them at table 1 and start. You can't tell two of them "sorry you didn't pre-register, you'll have to wait for more people to show up". You have no idea when or if you'll have more players, and that's not good for your six players who signed up OR the two players who didn't.

It sounds like maybe what's happening is the game is being loose about when to start depending on when people show up. Don't do this. People can show up a little early and chat and have snacks, that's not a problem. But start playing poker at your advertised start time. Otherwise people start tailoring their arrival time to when they think the game will actually start and this will cascade out of control.

So you have X number of players when you're ready to play and based on X you know if you need 1 or 2 tables. If you want to preferentially give some people a draw from the table 1 seating cards as a sign-up incentive before combining the rest of the cards together, I don't see a problem with that. I wouldn't do it, but I don't think it's bad per-se. However if you start one table and then have to break it, I would make that random as there will be people griping about the various ways your choice is unfair based on the play so far.

When in doubt, value the people you actually have. Being on time is more important than signing up. And start on time, always.
 
So to be clear, I think the original question is what to do if you are expecting enough players for two tables, but not enough show up at start time.

This is my method for handling this in tournament, but it's fully applicable to cash games with random seating as well. I am going to use 9 player tables in my example, but this can be adjusted for 10. (And I will note, I developed this method AFTER having making an ill-fated decision in a tournament expecting 18 players, to draw players to both tables but only 9 had shown up at the start time, and instead of reconsolidating we ended up waiting 15 minutes for the 10th to show up and start with two tables of 5. Ultimately we did have 19 players show and it was the biggest and best event I have hosted.)

Also for the sake of the example, I am going to refer to seating chips and a "pot" for each table. But you can apply these principles to using cards or whatever other device you prefer. Just keep a separate pile for each table.

The first 9 players all draw a seat to table one. Players that draw an even number seat (just 4 players of the original 9) will be moved to the same seat number on table 2 when the 10th player arrives. The 10th player draws a seat from the table 2 pot, which would contain the odd numbered seats for table 2. This gives you two tables of five. (If doing 10-seated tables, I would still only have seats 2,4,6,8 move from table 1 and the 11th player will draw from the table 2 pot containing seats 1,3,5,7,9, and 10.)

As players leave the game put their seat chips back in the appropriate table pot for future draws.

After this, new arrivers draw from the pot for the table with the fewest number of players. If tables are even, new players will draw to the lowest numbered table. (Obviously this will be table 1 in a 2 table situation.)

When you make the decision to close table 2, all of those players can draw from the table 1 pot which would contain those open seats.

You could also expand this notion to any number of tables, just predetermine which seats will move. For a 3 table example, when the 19th player arrives, I would predetermine that players in seats 3 and 9 from table 1 move to table 3 along with seats 1, 5, 7 from table 2 (note none of these players would have started on table 1, so this is still maxing out at one move), the 19th player then draws from the even numbered seats on table 3 giving you a table 1 with 7 players, and tables 2 and 3 with 6 players each.

Gotta be honest, I don't love this. Granted, it's never an issue at my house, because I run one table, but once I settle in, the last thing I would want to do is move to another table (regardless of table quality).

At. Cash game it would suck to have to involuntarily change tables, if you’re stuck for some cash you don’t want to involuntarily have to leave it - conversely if the table then gets juicy because a gambler is trying to win his money back you don’t necessarily want that guy to leave, and you don’t want to leave that situation either.
I get these objections, but the problem is the alternative is to waitlist players if you have 11-12 in the room and 2-3 players aren't gambling until you can start a 5-handed game. I understand there's room for a difference of opinion here, but running two games five- or six-handed seems infinitely better than having willing gamblers waiting around for action. A home game is not like a casino where there is a relatively steadier stream of players, and other amusements, of course.

You can talk all you want about players should never be late, but I don't think any host that wants to fill two tables is turning down players that can't make the start time and the more players active the better. Moving a minority of players to facilitate that, especially if randomly determined fairly, seems a small concession.

And to be blunt, I think cooperation with table movement is inherent in the culture of home games offering multiple tables, and players that object to this I would deem unhelpful to game culture.

Rejoinder:
If you want to do a Table 1 preference for early arrivals, you can still apply this principle. The 1st-5th players that arrive are guaranteed Table 1. The 6th-9th players also join table 1 initially, but will be moved to their same seats on Table 2 when the 10th player arrives. Just make sure to remove occupied seats from the pot for table 2 so future players joining table 2 are drawing from the open seats. (And of course return the seat chips for table 1 to the table 1 pot.)

In this case you can also do "must-move" seating on table 2 such that all new players join table 2 and players from table 2 are moved to table 1 in the order of arrival. (Giving the 6th-9th players the first opportunity to join the "main game.")

Also as host, feel free to grant yourself the privilege of always having seat 1 on table 1 for logistic purposes of staying near the chips and cash. The players that will surround you will still be fully random, so other than being exempt from moving, there's no real advantage.
 
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If no seating chips, just designate a table as a suit and use the cards to draw.

Can also set a time interval to re-shuffle tables, like every 90 minutes everyone takes a break and re-draw.

I only do one table at my games but @embiggens does and his way works well!
This is how I have always done it... Pull the A-9 or A-7 from two or more suits. When people buy in they draw a card (or pick one from the table) and take the appropriate seat at the Spaid table, or the diamond table.

If this isn't an experienced group you can also just let folks sit where they want. If one table gets filled up faster because of late players you can ask for volunteers to move around.

I prefer random seating, but depending on the group it may not matter, as long as the tables are balanced.

Had one game earlier this year where everyone sat down with chips, and when they drew seats the first five players were already on the right spot! So we ditched the draw and just started the game LOL
 
For cash I’d do option 2. We always do a tournament first which is random seating then we’ll start a cash game afterwards where you choose your own seat it’s very casual.
 

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