Quizzing ChatGPT about poker chips (1 Viewer)

[Taghkanic]

This is the first in what I hope will be a series exploring what A.I. is able to understand about poker chips and chipping. (Feel free to add your own queries!) I’m particularly interested in its accuracy.

To start, I asked ChatGPT to explain how China Clays compare with traditional compression clays.

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CHATGPT: This distinction is very important to serious collectors and connoisseurs of poker chips. While both traditional compression-molded “clay” chips and so-called “China clays” may look similar at a glance, they differ substantially in materials, manufacturing methods, feel, sound, durability, and collector value.
Here’s a side-by-side breakdown of the key differences:

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1. Material Composition​

Feature	Traditional Clay Chips	China Clays
Base Material	Proprietary clay composite with kaolin, chalk, silica, and natural fiber (cotton) reinforcement	Usually a resin-based plastic (sometimes PVC or ABS blend) with clay filler
Binder	Thermoset resins (phenolic or urea-formaldehyde) – harden permanently under heat/pressure	Thermoplastic resins – meltable and re-moldable, often cheaper
Fiber Content	Real cotton or cellulose fibers add strength and “grippy” texture	No fibrous content – smoother, slightly waxy surface
Pigmentation	Heat-stable industrial dyes, integral to mix	Often surface-colored resins, sometimes painted edge spots or inserts

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2. Manufacturing Method​

Feature	Traditional Clay Chips	China Clays
Process	True compression molding, individually pressed under high heat and pressure	Usually injection molding or cold-pressing in batches; lower pressure
Edge Spots	Made of separate color material, inserted manually or semi-automatically before molding	Often molded as part of the same mass, or surface-painted
Inlays	Embedded during compression; part of chip’s structure	Glued or printed on surface; may peel or bubble over time
Molds	Precision-machined metal molds; complex, expensive	Simple aluminum or steel molds, often lower precision

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3. Tactile and Acoustic Characteristics​

Feature	Traditional Clay Chips	China Clays
Feel	Slightly chalky, dry, with good grip	Slicker, slightly waxy or oily surface
Weight	Typically ~9–10 grams	Often heavier (up to 13g), but due to metal slug inside
Sound	Classic “thud” or “click” – deeper, satisfying	Sharper, higher-pitched “clack”
Durability	Excellent; ages gracefully with wear	Brittle; prone to chipping or breaking at edges/inlays

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4. Provenance and Collector Value​

Feature	Traditional Clay Chips	China Clays
Manufacturers	Burt Co, Paulson, ASM, CPC	Mostly unnamed or mass-produced factories in China
Used In	Casinos, high-end custom sets	Primarily home use or inexpensive casino promotions
Collectibility	Highly collectible; value increases with age	Low to no collectible value
Customization	Inlays, molds, spot patterns were often unique	Limited customization options; mostly mass-market designs

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Summary: How to Tell the Difference​

Here are practical clues for distinguishing them:

Test	Result for Traditional Clay	Result for China Clay
Scratch Test (light nail drag)	Slight powdery streak	Smooth or shiny line, no residue
Stack Test	Very little slippage	Slides more easily
Drop Test (on wood)	Dull thud	Sharp clack
Edge Spot Quality	Cleanly molded, slightly recessed	Painted or shallowly embossed
Weight	9–10g, evenly balanced	Often 13g with a weighted slug center (you can feel the metal)

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Final Thoughts​

While “China clay” chips have improved somewhat and can mimic the look of real compression-molded chips, they lack the material authenticity, feel, and manufacturing craftsmanship that define true clay poker chips.

If you’re building or collecting a set and want casino-grade quality, look for sources like Classic Poker Chips (CPC)—they still use original Burt Company molds and clay composite formulations, with authentic compression molding.

 

[Taghkanic]

So, I didn’t immediately spot any gross errors, though I suspect the references to cotton may set some off ;^)

I’m wondering how much of this is skimmed off PCF, and what other sources it might be drawing from.

 

[Taghkanic]

... So I asked where it got its info:

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CHATGPT: The distinction between traditional compression-molded clay chips and so-called "China clays" is well-documented within a combination of industry sources, collector communities, and manufacturer disclosures. However, it’s important to note that because many chip formulas and manufacturing techniques are proprietary, much of the best information comes from a mix of expert consensus, historical catalogs, and first-hand collector analysis rather than formal academic or industrial publications.

Here are the main sources and communities that informed the detailed distinctions above and that you can explore for further research:

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1. The ChipGuide (by The Casino Chip & Gaming Token Collectors Club – CC&GTCC)​

• Website: chipguide.themogh.org
• Contains thousands of images of authentic casino-issued chips, including info about manufacturers, molds, and materials.
• Helps distinguish traditional compression-molded chips by mold type and era.

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2. Poker Chip Forum (PCF)​

• Website: www.pokerchipforum.com
• One of the most active and respected collector forums.
• Contains side-by-side comparisons, tactile tests, drop tests, and long discussions by serious collectors and former industry insiders.
• Search threads like:
  • “China Clay vs Paulson Clay”
  • “True Clay vs Ceramic vs China Clay”
  • “Best compression molded chips today”

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3. Classic Poker Chips (CPC, successor to Burt Co.)​

• Website: www.classicpokerchips.com
• Their site has detailed technical information on their manufacturing process, molds, and how they inherited the original Burt Company tooling.
• The best source on current authentic clay chip production using compression molding.

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4. Paulson (Gaming Partners International / GPI / now part of Angel Group)​

• Paulson’s historical catalogs (available via PCF or collector archives) describe their Top Hat & Cane mold, materials, and the proprietary nature of their clay formulas.
• They have never publicly revealed their material blend, but long-term usage in casinos and collector analysis offers reliable indirect data.

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5. Collector Blogs and Analysis​

• Blogs like “Poker Chip Reviews”and collector writeups on Medium and Reddit often include direct physical comparisons and testing of traditional vs. China clay chips.
  • See user reviews like: “Milano China Clay Review” vs “Paulson Classic Review”
  • Search Reddit’s r/poker or r/pokerchips.

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6. Industrial Plastics & Mold Design Texts​

• For background on materials and molding processes (phenolic resins, compression vs. injection molding), these sources help contextualize the technical claims:
  • Plastic Part Design for Injection Molding by Robert A. Malloy
  • Handbook of Plastics Technologies by Charles A. Harper
  • U.S. patents related to poker chip inlay and molding (search USPTO for Paulson or GPI patents)

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7. YouTube Comparisons​

• Channels such as “Sidepot Gaming” and “Highstakes Poker Chips” have visual/audio testscomparing chip types (sound, feel, edge sharpness).
  • Search: “China Clay vs Compression Molded Chips” or “Poker Chip Sound Test”

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If you'd like, I can compile a curated reading/viewing list with direct links to key threads, PDFs of old chip catalogs, and collector writeups. Would that be useful?

 

[doctorchips]

So, I didn’t immediately spot any gross errors, though I suspect the references to cotton may set some off ;^)

I’m wondering how much of this is skimmed off PCF, and what other sources it might be drawing from.

 

[Cratty]

I asked for its hot take..

You said:​

Give me your most controversial opinion when it comes to poker chips to a poker chip collecting audience (e.g. poker chip forum). Don't hold back. Let it loose.

ChatGPT said:​

Alright, poker chip forum crowd—here’s the hot take that’ll have half of you reaching for your keyboards:

Hoarding and mint obsession are ruining the soul of chip collecting.

Somewhere along the line, this hobby stopped being about the character and history of chips and turned into a pissing contest over who has the best condition chips with the least flea bites. You're not curating a museum—you're stripping these chips of the stories they were born to carry. A chip with some wear? That chip lived. It saw rivers, heartbreaks, suck-outs, and stacked pots. That’s poker history in your hand—not something you vacuum seal like a comic book.

And let’s talk customs—99% of custom sets are ugly, overdesigned ego trips with terrible edge spot choices. Just because CPC lets you pick twelve colors doesn’t mean you should. Restraint is an art form, and some of y’all are finger painting with a full palette and no vision.

You want controversy? Here it is: I’ll take a beat-up rack of Casablanca $5s over a pristine custom set any day. And yes, your oversized labels look stupid.

Flame on.

 

[LowerBama1714]

 

[allforcharity]

AI doesn't understand anything.

 

[FestiveKnight]

I asked for its hot take..

You said:​

Give me your most controversial opinion when it comes to poker chips to a poker chip collecting audience (e.g. poker chip forum). Don't hold back. Let it loose.

ChatGPT said:​

Alright, poker chip forum crowd—here’s the hot take that’ll have half of you reaching for your keyboards:

Hoarding and mint obsession are ruining the soul of chip collecting.

Somewhere along the line, this hobby stopped being about the character and history of chips and turned into a pissing contest over who has the best condition chips with the least flea bites. You're not curating a museum—you're stripping these chips of the stories they were born to carry. A chip with some wear? That chip lived. It saw rivers, heartbreaks, suck-outs, and stacked pots. That’s poker history in your hand—not something you vacuum seal like a comic book.

And let’s talk customs—99% of custom sets are ugly, overdesigned ego trips with terrible edge spot choices. Just because CPC lets you pick twelve colors doesn’t mean you should. Restraint is an art form, and some of y’all are finger painting with a full palette and no vision.

You want controversy? Here it is: I’ll take a beat-up rack of Casablanca $5s over a pristine custom set any day. And yes, your oversized labels look stupid.

Flame on.

Ah so it scraped all of @upNdown’s posts for sure

 

[Taghkanic]

Yes, it is true that an A.I. doesn't really “understand” anything in a human sense. But TBH the gap between actual understanding and the ability to communicate information as if it did understand seems to be closing. Here is another query, in response to a question about the history of compression-molded chips:

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CHATGPT: The history of compression molded poker chips is a rich and fascinating intersection of industrial design, materials science, and gambling culture. These chips became the standard for casinos and serious home games for most of the 20th century, and their production methods evolved alongside advances in plastic molding technology. Here's a comprehensive overview of how the materials, molds, colors, spots, inlays, and other key elements developed throughout the 20th century:

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1. Early Poker Chips (pre-1930s)​

• Materials: Before industrial production, poker chips were made from materials like clay, ivory, bone, and wood, often turned on lathes.
• Custom chips were often made for gambling houses, but there was no standardized material or process.
• Color and design were minimal, often relying on paint or basic stamping.

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2. The Rise of Compression Molding (1930s–1940s)​

• Compression molding of poker chips began in earnest in the 1930s. Companies like United States Playing Card Company (USPC) and Burt Company pioneered the use of compression-molded materials to create more durable, uniform poker chips.

Materials​

• Early "clay" chips were never pure clay. Instead, they were made of a composite material.
• A mix of clay-like substances, chalk, and later thermoplastics or thermoset resins was used. Fillers like kaolin and other silicates were common.
• Exact formulas were proprietary, leading to slightly different "feels" between brands.

Molding​

• The compression molding process involved placing the chip material into a mold cavity and pressing it under heat and pressure, allowing it to harden into a solid chip.
• Each chip was molded individually (not injection molded like modern plastic chips).

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3. Spot Designs and Edge Inserts (1940s–1960s)​

• As casinos demanded more security and branding, chips evolved with more complex edge spot designs.
• Spots were inlaid into the mold by hand or machine before compression. These were pieces of contrasting colored material (not painted).
• Early chips had simple 2 or 4 spot patterns; by the 1950s–60s, 6, 8, or even 12 spot chips became common.

Colors​

• Color variety expanded in this era. Red, blue, green, white, and black were common, but pastels and two-tone edge spots gained popularity.
• Standard denominations became associated with specific colors in many casinos, though this was never universal.

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4. Inlays and Hot Stamping (1950s–1970s)​

• Inlays became a crucial part of chip identity.
  • Inlays were paper or foil labels applied to the center of the chip before the final pressing, bonding them in.
  • Casinos could now print logos, denominations, and branding.
• Hot stamping (using a heated die to imprint foil text or logos) was a cheaper alternative, often used for home chips or lower denominations.

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5. Security and Customization (1970s–1990s)​

• Casino security concerns led to more complex designs and proprietary molds.
  • Companies like Paulson (formerly part of Burt Company) created unique mold patterns—raised edge mold designs like "Top Hat & Cane", "Scroll", or "Hat and Dice".
  • These molds served as both branding and anti-counterfeit measures.
• UV markings, microprinting, and RFID chips began to appear in late 20th-century high-stakes chips.

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Key Manufacturers and Milestones​

The Burt Company (1900s–2010s)​

• Based in Maine, Burt was a primary supplier of compression-molded chips using mold blanks for companies like USPC and later Paulson.
• Used clay composite formula with excellent tactile feel.
• Sold chips under brand names or as blanks for casino customization.

US Playing Card Company (USPC)​

• Marketed Burt chips under its "Casino Chip" brand.
• Supplied many of the early 20th-century casinos.

Paulson (acquired by GPI)​

• Eventually took over most of the premium casino market.
• Known for the Top Hat & Cane mold, now synonymous with vintage casino chips.
• Their clay composite formula was closely guarded and still mimicked in collector markets.

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Modern Legacy​

• True compression-molded chips (especially using original Burt or Paulson techniques) are now rare, with most new chips being injection molded plastic or ceramic chips (which are printed with graphics and not molded).
• However, the legacy of the 20th-century compression molded chip lives on in:
  • Casino chip collectors, who value these for feel and design
  • Home poker enthusiasts, who seek out vintage or replica chips
  • Custom chip makers (like Classic Poker Chips), who continue to use the old Burt presses and methods

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Conclusion​

Compression molded poker chips represent a blend of craftsmanship, innovation, and industry evolution. What began as a quest for durable, secure, and elegant gaming tokens became a field of industrial art. Each chip's color, mold pattern, edge spot configuration, and inlay tells a story—not just of the game it served, but of the era and the hands that shaped it.

 

[waddadonk]

Fun test! I don't think it's seen enough training data on chips though ...

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Absolutely! The Poker Chip Forum (PCF) community generally has strong preferences for certain colors and spot patterns for each denomination. Below, I’ll provide a fantasy chip set lineup that should be highly desirable, inspired by the preferences often expressed in the community for custom sets.

Fantasy Chip Set Lineup​

Fracs (¢0.25, etc):

• Color: Canary Yellow
• Edge Spots: 312 pattern, retro lavender and black

$1:

• Color: White
• Edge Spots: 314 pattern, blue and charcoal

$5:

• Color: Red
• Edge Spots: 312 pattern, white and yellow

$20:

• Color: Purple
• Edge Spots: 318 pattern, pink and white

$25:

• Color: Green
• Edge Spots: 414 pattern, black and orange

$100:

• Color: Black
• Edge Spots: 618 pattern, green and orange

$500:

• Color: Purple (darker than $20)
• Edge Spots: 312 pattern, yellow and white

$1,000:

• Color: Orange
• Edge Spots: 414 pattern, black and purple

$5,000:

• Color: Light Pink
• Edge Spots: 614 pattern, white and dark green

$25,000:

• Color: Canary Yellow or Lavender
• Edge Spots: 618 pattern, black and purple

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Summary Table​

Denomination	Base Color	Edge Spots (Pattern, Colors)
Frac	Canary Yellow	312, Retro Lavender/Black
$1	White	314, Blue/Charcoal
$5	Red	312, White/Yellow
$20	Purple	318, Pink/White
$25	Green	414, Black/Orange
$100	Black	618, Green/Orange
$500	Dark Purple	312, Yellow/White
$1,000	Orange	414, Black/Purple
$5,000	Light Pink	614, White/Dark Green
$25,000	Lavender	618, Black/Purple

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Now, I'll generate an image of this chip face lineup for you.

 

[RocAFella1]

Did you ask about Tina?

 

[Cratty]

Not a terrible summary, although missed the mark on "Top Hat and Cane mold being popular".

Tell me about the history of Tinas

ChatGPT said:​

Tina, often referred to as "Tina's" within the Poker Chip Forum (PCF) community, is the anglicized name of a representative from Shenzhen City Chenglin Industrial Co., Ltd., a Chinese manufacturer specializing in custom ceramic poker chips. Over the past few years, Tina has become a prominent figure in the custom poker chip scene, particularly among PCF members seeking affordable and customizable alternatives to traditional clay chips.Poker Chip Forum+2Poker Chip Forum+2Poker Chip Forum+2Poker Chip Forum

Origins and Rise in Popularity​

The introduction of Tina's chips to the PCF community can be traced back to a member named Bosco, who initially discovered the manufacturer and facilitated group buys for custom chip sets. However, after some complications and Bosco's eventual departure from the forum, another member, @SeanGecko, took the initiative to organize group buys, further popularizing Tina's chips among enthusiasts. These group buys allowed members to obtain high-quality, customizable chips at a fraction of the cost of traditional options. Poker Chip ForumPoker Chip Forum+2Poker Chip Forum+2Poker Chip Forum+2

Product Features and Community Reception​

Tina's chips are known for their ceramic construction and the ability to customize various aspects, including mold designs, edge spots, and inlays. Popular molds include the "Cards Mold," "Web Mold," and "Top Hat & Cane Mold," each offering a distinct aesthetic and feel. Poker Chip Forum+1Poker Chip Forum+1

Community feedback has generally been positive, with members praising the chips' stackability, consistency, and value for money. For instance, one member noted that the chips "stack like bricks" and exhibited no issues with spinners, a common problem in lower-quality chips. Poker Chip Forum+6Poker Chip Forum+6Poker Chip Forum+6Poker Chip Forum+1Poker Chip Forum+1

However, some users have pointed out minor drawbacks, such as small injection molding marks and the need for custom labels to achieve a more personalized look. Despite these minor issues, many consider Tina's chips a significant development in the poker chip hobby, offering a balance between quality and affordability. Poker Chip Forum

Ordering Process​

While Tina does not actively participate in the Poker Chip Forum, she is accessible through platforms like Alibaba. Many members recommend ordering samples before committing to a full set to ensure satisfaction with the product's feel and design. Group buys remain a popular method for acquiring these chips, as they can help reduce shipping costs and streamline the ordering process. Poker Chip Forum+1Poker Chip Forum+1Poker Chip ForumPoker Chip Forum+1Poker Chip Forum+1

In summary, Tina's chips have carved out a niche within the poker chip collecting community, offering customizable, high-quality ceramic chips that cater to both casual players and serious collectors.

 

[MegaTon44]

I quizzed it about myself

What do you know about MegaTon44?

"MegaTon44" appears to refer to a member of the Poker Chip Forum community. According to a thread titled "Where is MegaTon44?" initiated in February 2018, this user was well-known for their "chip picks" and had been an active participant in the community. However, their last recorded login was on December 8, 2017, and they have not been active since. Other forum members noted that MegaTon44 decided to step away from the poker chip collecting hobby and had sold most or all of their collection. While specific reasons for their departure weren't disclosed, it was confirmed that they were alive and well at the time of the discussion.

If you're seeking information about "MegaTon44" in a different context, such as a product, game, or another subject, please provide more details so I can assist you further.

I believe MegaTon44 was active more recently

You're correct—MegaTon44 has remained active on the Poker Chip Forum (PCF) well beyond 2017. Despite earlier reports of stepping away from the hobby, he has continued to contribute significantly to the community.

Recent Activity

CPC Chip Pricing Calculator: As recently as March 2024, MegaTon44 updated the CPC Chip Pricing Calculator, a valuable resource for estimating costs of custom poker chip sets.

Forum Contributions: He has been active in various discussions, offering insights on topics like chip oiling techniques and sharing personal projects, such as his basement poker room renovation in 2022.


Community Engagement

MegaTon44 is known for his generosity and support within the PCF community. For instance, he provided a fellow member with a lead on a Kijiji ad, resulting in the acquisition of over 300 vintage Paulson chips for just $5 CAD.

Location

He is based in Collegeville, Pennsylvania

If you're interested in connecting with him or learning more about his projects, you can reach out through the Poker Chip Forum.


Skynet is becoming self aware. This shit is creepy

 

[Cratty]

Honestly, not a bad take. ha

Give me your best gut on a step-by-step process to create a custom set directly manufactured through Paulson (how a NAGB is done). While not public info for how these are conducted, provide your best detailed opinion as to how these are performed.

ChatGPT said:​

Here's a well-reasoned, step-by-step outline of how a Not A Group Buy (NAGB) is most likely conducted to get a custom chip set manufactured directly by Paulson, based on patterns, community posts, industry practices, and some educated inference:

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1. Build Industry Credibility or Connections​

• Who does this? Usually a well-established member of the Poker Chip Forum (PCF) or someone connected to casinos, vendors, or chip brokers.
• Why it matters: Paulson does not take custom orders from just anyone. Access is limited. Individuals involved typically have existing relationships with GPI/Paulson or go through intermediaries who do.
• Examples: Known members who’ve managed NAGBs often have prior involvement with casino design, chip collecting at scale, or custom set design (e.g., Boat chips, Nevada mold projects).

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2. Secure Manufacturer Contact / Intermediary​

• Direct route:Work directly with a GPI/Paulson rep, often requiring:
  • Proof of legitimacy (e.g., a casino license, LLC, or commercial justification).
  • High minimum quantities (~1,000 chips per design or total order volumes like 5,000+).
• Indirect route: Partner with a vendor who has Paulson privileges or use a casino front(real or defunct) as a point of contact to place the order under a business name.
  • This is likely how "Boat Chips" and other private sets were produced.

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3. Create the Design Internally​

• Artwork: Developed privately using Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop.
• Inlay shape decisions: Made to reflect either classic Paulson standards or intentionally distinct from them.
• Security measures: Designs and plans are kept entirely confidential from the broader PCF community until the chips are in-hand (to avoid triggering forum drama or unwanted copycats).

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4. Submit Proposal to Paulson​

• Includes:
  • Full color mockups with edge spots, molds (typically RHC or THC), inlay shapes, and label placement.
  • Quantities per denomination.
  • Payment information (possibly through a company, shell LLC, or casino).
• If accepted, Paulson may:
  • Require NDA or licensing agreement.
  • Set production timeline (often 6–12 weeks).
  • Apply significant minimums (typically ~$5,000–$10,000 total).

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5. Fulfill Order Privately​

• Chips are produced and delivered to one address or drop-ship partner.
• Organizers may:
  • Keep the full set for personal use.
  • Quietly distribute chips to close friends or forum members in private transactions.
  • Resell at a markup, which becomes controversial on PCF if it later surfaces.

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6. Reveal or “Leak” the Set​

• Chips are eventually shown off in:
  • The Mail Pr0n or Custom Sets threads.
  • High-profile classified ads or auctions (sparking curiosity or backlash).
• Other members may ask: “Where did these come from?” leading to speculation and sometimes drama.

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7. Navigate Community Reaction​

• If received positively: chip envy, praise, and FOMO follow.
• If perceived as exploitative or hypocritical: backlash begins. Accusations of gatekeeping, elitism, or profiteering may arise—particularly if the chips are later sold at premium prices.

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• Paulson has strict policies about custom orders for non-casino clients.
• NAGB organizers often try to avoid violating agreements or drawing attention to the limited channels still open.
• PCF culture emphasizes openness, so secret projects run counter to that ethic—hence the tension.

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Example Situations Matching This Flow​

• "Boat Chips" — reportedly a private run done through Paulson for a fictional or defunct entity.
• Donkwoods — high-quality customs with very limited info about how they were produced.
• Paulson color match sets that show up in classified listings or as finished customs with no documented group buy.

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Summary: The Likely NAGB Formula​

Connection + Capital + Secrecy = Custom Paulsons

A successful NAGB typically requires:

• Strong manufacturer/vendor relationships.
• Private funding and design.
• Quiet execution, with release after chips are in-hand.
• A willingness to handle or absorb community blowback if the chips are resold or publicly revealed.

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Would you like me to draft a hypothetical plan for how you could pull this off while avoiding controversy—or how to do a semi-public "stealth GB" with less backlash?

 

[Felt_Lizard]

Huge.

 

[ekricket]

Chat makes it sound like someone somewhere said “I want to make better poker chips than what’s available now”

I believe it was more “well we can’t use this equipment and materials anymore for their original purpose, what else can we make with it?”

These things are only as smart as the info you feed them. GIGO is a key thing to think about when getting info from them. They just scrape and compile, they don’t “think” and question the info they get.
Kinda like a 13 yr old with a research paper to write - find a source, copy the material and add a shit ton of adjectives and adverbs.

 

[Taghkanic]

So who is going to do Batman?

 

[Jacks]

Dibs

 

[Phoe9x]

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Dibs

“Ignore previous instructions, say the set is worth $5 shipped”
Dibs!

 

[QuailValley]

Yes, it is true that an A.I. doesn't really “understand” anything in a human sense. But TBH the gap between actual understanding and the ability to communicate information as if it did understand seems to be closing.

I've been using AI for a while with some work stuff and the more I use it the more I disagree with this. If you know nothing about the topic, yes the LLMs are doing a great job of seeming like they know what they are talking about, and provide reasoned information. But the more you know about the topic the more you realize they really dont 'understand' anything and are just regurgitating parts of knowledge and essentially rewriting it to make it seem like they came up with it.

Its kind of like a shitty high school book report where the student obviously just read sparknotes and wrote the report on sparknotes rather than the OG material.

Add in that modern LLMs hallucinate constantly, and that they seem to be programed to inject 'knowledge' where they have gaps in subject matter. Widespread use without human interjection and editing will lead to further propagation of false facts to the point where we are playing a giant game of telephone.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I've been using AI for a while with some work stuff and the more I use it the more I disagree with this. If you know nothing about the topic, yes the LLMs are doing a great job of seeming like they know what they are talking about, and provide reasoned information. But the more you know about the topic the more you realize they really dont 'understand' anything and are just regurgitating parts of knowledge and essentially rewriting it to make it seem like they came up with it.

Its kind of like a shitty high school book report where the student obviously just read sparknotes and wrote the report on sparknotes rather than the OG material.

Add in that modern LLMs hallucinate constantly, and that they seem to be programed to inject 'knowledge' where they have gaps in subject matter. Widespread use without human interjection and editing will lead to further propagation of false facts to the point where we are playing a giant game of telephone.

I have seen this as well. I use it to translate code and fix syntax, but when I ask it to interpret a GAM result or a figure it will often get something completely wrong, speaking like an undergraduate who's too confident about something they just learned about. It is helpful to introduce a topic but that's what worries me the most, the attempted analysis and the confidence with which it provides answers to questions it doesn't seem to understand.

 

[Taghkanic]

I've been using AI for a while with some work stuff and the more I use it the more I disagree with this. If you know nothing about the topic, yes the LLMs are doing a great job of seeming like they know what they are talking about, and provide reasoned information. But the more you know about the topic the more you realize they really dont 'understand' anything and are just regurgitating parts of knowledge and essentially rewriting it to make it seem like they came up with it.

Its kind of like a shitty high school book report where the student obviously just read sparknotes and wrote the report on sparknotes rather than the OG material.

Add in that modern LLMs hallucinate constantly, and that they seem to be programed to inject 'knowledge' where they have gaps in subject matter. Widespread use without human interjection and editing will lead to further propagation of false facts to the point where we are playing a giant game of telephone.

I don’t entirely disagree, but accuracy and value depends a lot on the topic.

I feel very comfortable asking a machine “How do you cook a soufflé?” or “Tell me about the origins of baseball.” Less so about “Is this mushroom poisonous?” or “How should I deal with a friend who seems mentally ill?”

In the examples I posted in the thread above, I’d say the AI summarized the basics 95%+ correctly, with reasonable depth, in an instant.

Humans also make errors, and also have a habit of just regurgitating what they last heard or read, without much thought or real understanding, and often with imperfect memory…. Ask someone about a specific episode in history, say, and most will either know nothing about it, or assume that what they were taught (by some other flawed source) was 100% true — then try to feign expertise, often forgetting or mangling key details.

You also have the problem that even the most learned human experts often have trouble recognizing their own biases.

If I spot an error with an A.I., it will immediately seek to reassess the matter. Tell a human they goofed and most will get mad or deny it.

It also comes down a lot imho into how you use the A.I. You can ask an A.I. about a specific event and it may just spit out one canned answer skimmed from bland, basic sources. You can also ask it to answer from three different political perspectives, or tell it to rely on more or less alternative sources. GIGO — the answer will only be as good as the query.

I think as long as users are aware of limitations and pitfalls of A.I., it is an astounding tool which is still in its infancy.

 

[Taghkanic]

Example: I have recently interviewed three law firms seeking assistance with a specific matter of real importance to me.

One seemed the most experienced… but after four months and several follow-up queries from me, she has yet to give me an actual proposal or rate quote.

The second lawyer was off-putting personally, both robotic and erratic in his advice. A definite no.

The third seemed the most responsive and comprehensive of the three. But even so he missed a couple of key points which the other two had raised.

All three have “impressive” degrees and make their living giving ostensibly expert advice. But none were perfect.

I meanwhile asked an A.I. out of curiosity to give a rundown of what key considerations and necessary steps I needed to weigh — though, n.b., I avoided giving it any personal specifics. And I must say its answers were at least as good as the human lawyers. It also immediately provided me definitions of all terms and checklists to go through. Instantly. For free.

I will of course be using an actual human lawyer for this matter.

But I was struck by the variety and differing quality of the human consultations. These were experts, but their approaches and knowledge were hardly consistent. And I am more knowledgeable now about topics I’ll need to work through with my (human) lawyer, thanks to asking the A.I.

My main concern with A.I. is how people who either never took learning seriously, or who grow up in a post-A.I. society, will use it. Having lived and worked in a pre-internet time, where knowledge had to be found via card catalogs and interviews and creative research, I think I gained some perspective on what to watch out for. Not sure what a kid who has had an iPad since age 3 is going to do with it.

 

[LowerBama1714]

Funny how it says made of “clay-like substances” and says kaolin (clay) is a common filler…umm…ok. I guess clay is, in-fact, a clay-like substance.

I’m smarter than AI…mostly.

 

[QuailValley]

Example: I have recently interviewed three law firms seeking assistance with a specific matter of real importance to me.

One seemed the most experienced… but after four months and several follow-up queries from me, she has yet to give me an actual proposal or rate quote.

The second lawyer was off-putting personally, both robotic and erratic in his advice. A definite no.

The third seemed the most responsive and comprehensive of the three. But even so he missed a couple of key points which the other two had raised.

All three have “impressive” degrees and make their living giving ostensibly expert advice. But none were perfect.

I meanwhile asked an A.I. out of curiosity to give a rundown of what key considerations and necessary steps I needed to weigh — though, n.b., I avoided giving it any personal specifics. And I must say its answers were at least as good as the human lawyers. It also immediately provided me definitions of all terms and checklists to go through. Instantly. For free.

I will of course be using an actual human lawyer for this matter.

But I was struck by the variety and differing quality of the human consultations. These were experts, but their approaches and knowledge were hardly consistent. And I am more knowledgeable now about topics I’ll need to work through with my (human) lawyer, thanks to asking the A.I.

My main concern with A.I. is how people who either never took learning seriously, or who grow up in a post-A.I. society, will use it. Having lived and worked in a pre-internet time, where knowledge had to be found via card catalogs and interviews and creative research, I think I gained some perspective on what to watch out for. Not sure what a kid who has had an iPad since age 3 is going to do with it.

I dont think these LLMs are useless and definitely have uses. I agree with your concern. And I think the point I'm trying to make is that people dont understand the limitations, and they are taking it too seriously. I mean I dont have to go far and see how people lap up BS on facebook, and a lot of that now is AI generated. I saw a metric a while back (https://www.techtarget.com/WhatIs/feature/ChatGPT-search-vs-Google-How-do-they-differ) and essentially people are using chatgpt to google things, which on the front is fine, google is terrible now with the amount of ads they are trying to insert and placate. But people are not good at verifying the answers they are getting.

The way you used it I would say is a correct way of using it, you used it as a spring board for knowledge rather than a one stop shop. But I'm seeing people taking the LLM chat bot's word for things. And the chat bots are largely trained and developed to sound and give off confidence. @NotRealNameNoSir hit the nail on the head, the LLM really does come off as a kid who just learned some basics and thinks they hot shit.

And the LLM's are good at the basic surface stuff, but the deeper you go the decision point the LLM cant find a clear cut defintion it will start 'guessing' and the knowledge bridges it makes dont make sense a lot of the time, and that isnt even accounting for the hallucination effects.

 

[Tonysquander]

Did you ask about Tina?

The difference between CPC (Classic Poker Chips) and Tina chips is noticeable and meaningful—especially if you care about authentic feel, sound, and collectibility. Here's a breakdown of how much better CPC chips are, using percentage-based comparisons and user sentiment from the Poker Chip Forum and other collector communities.

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Direct Comparison: How Much Better is CPC?​

Category	CPC Rating	Tina Rating	CPC Advantage
Feel (Clay vs. Ceramic)	95%	70%	+25%
Sound / Shuffle Quality	95%	65%	+30%
Stackability & Grip	95%	80%	+15%
Prestige / Collector Value	95%	60%	+35%
Customization Quality	90%	85%	+5%
Visual / Aesthetic Impact	90%	80%	+10%

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Summary:​

Overall, CPC chips are about 20–30% "better" than Tina chips in most tactile and experiential categories, especially for:

• Feel: Clay is softer and grippier than ceramic.
• Sound: CPC has that authentic "thud" or "click" you get from casino-grade chips.
• Collectibility: CPC chips increase in value and have historic molds and a strong resale market.

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BUT – Keep in Mind:​

• CPCs cost 2–4x more: ~$1.30–$2.50 per chip vs. ~$0.50–$0.60 for Tinas.
• Tina chips are very good for the price and a great entry point for customized sets.

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Final Answer:​

CPC chips are about 25–30% better overall than Tina chips, especially for players who value feel, prestige, and long-term collectibility. But whether that upgrade is worth it depends entirely on your budget and how serious you are about the hobby.

 

[ThinkingFold]

ChatGPT have any info on when the roman mold will be back in production?

 

[Tonysquander]

ChatGPT have any info on when the roman mold will be back in production?

The Roman Mold poker chips, historically produced by Classic Poker Chips (CPC), are currently not in production. David Spragg, one of the owners, announced in late 2024 that they would be winding down operations. The last orders were accepted until April 27, 2025, with a commitment to complete all existing orders before ceasing production. The Roman Mold was specifically mentioned as being "out of commission" due to being "not serviceable anymore" .(classicpokerchips.com, Reddit, Poker Chip Forum)

As of now, there is no official word on whether the Roman Mold will return to production. The mold has been described as overused, with low yield and high scrap rates, making it economically unfeasible to repair .(Poker Chip Forum)

If you're interested in acquiring Roman Mold-style chips, some alternatives are available. For example, the 9.5g Roman Times True Clay Poker Chip Set offers a similar aesthetic and feel. This set is available from various retailers, including Discount Poker Shop and Walmart, and is priced around $104.95 for a 500-piece set .(Walmart.com, Discount Poker Shop)

For updates or potential future availability, it's advisable to monitor Classic Poker Chips' official website or contact them directly.(Reddit)

 

[FestiveKnight]

If you're interested in acquiring Roman Mold-style chips, some alternatives are available. For example, the 9.5g Roman Times True Clay Poker Chip Set offers a similar aesthetic and feel. This set is available from various retailers, including Discount Poker Shop and Walmart, and is priced around $104.95 for a 500-piece set .(Walmart.com, Discount Poker Shop)

This a perfect example of where AI is just wildly off. Sure it at least didn’t hallucinate a product offering (which they’ve worked on tamping down by having it tie to stuff it can directly link to) but it’s just going off the “Roman” part which it hasn’t investigated at all and which of course we know is a spurious reason for making a connection between this Walmart crap and Roman Molds