Cash Game Pre flop raise with a straddle (2 Viewers)

[Freeroll]

I had a discussion with my buddy last night about what the minimum legal raise is pre flop, when there is a straddle.

We were playing $0.50/$0.50 with a $1 straddle.

He thinks the minimum raise would be to $1.50, but I think it would be to $2 (because the straddle acts as a new blind for the current hand).

Just curious what the actual rule is. Anyone know?

 

[TheOffalo]

I think it depends on the house rules. I’ve read some places treat it as a new blind, while others treat it as a raise with an option.

I’d lean toward it being a raise since the straddle amount doesn’t become the min-bet on any other street.

 

[KHarp1]

Pre flop the straddle becomes the new big blind, therefore the raise is the amount of the big blind which is whatever the straddle amount is. After the flop betting returns to whatever the table stakes are. At least that's the way I know it to be, but, it seems every room has something different about their straddle rules.

 

[LeLe]

The player who posts the straddle has last action for the first round of betting and is allowed to raise. To straddle, a player must be on the immediate left of the big blind, and must post an amount at least twice the size of the big blind. A straddle bet sets a new minimum bring-in; it is not treated as a raise.

So the min bet will be $2 as the straddle bet is not consider as a raise

But House rule will override it thus some casino have the weird min raise allowing $1,50 in that case

It’s your home game, you have the right to decide which one you like to go and stick with it from there on

 

[KHarp1]

I realized my answer wasn't very descriptive, so, thought I'd expand. If you're in a $2/$5 game the BB is $5, so, if someone wants to straddle the typical straddle would be double the BB, or, $10. The action starts on the left of the Straddle, the new "big blind" and the player could fold, call, or, raise to $20, since the "new" BB is $10. After that street of action the betting goes back to whatever the table stakes were before the straddle.

 

[Machine]

To straddle, a player must be on the immediate left of the big blind,

False, Mississippi Straddle, which is what most games that have a straddle round these parts use, can be any where, but it is very common for most house rules to state that it is UTG only.

To directly answer your question, as others have stated, the bring in is equivalent to the straddle, the minimum raise would be 2 x the straddle. In your case $2.

BUT (its been said any thing prior to 'but' in a sentence doesn't matter)

You're playing NLH so really it doesn't matter, else you'd play Pot Limit Holdem. Sounds like he may be confused with a calculation of what would open the bet back up.

 

[m700ltr]

Agreed with what has been said above. Straddle is the new BB. If you treat it as a raise, I can't imagine double/triple ... successive straddles as people are gonna get really confused.

 

[upNdown]

False, Mississippi Straddle, which is what most games that have a straddle round these parts use, can be any where, but it is very common for most house rules to state that it is UTG only.

Sure there are straddle variants. But when somebody says “straddle,” without naming it or giving any other context clues, it’s safe to assume they’re talking about a standard straddle, which according to Robert’s Rules, can only be played UTG.

 

[KHarp1]

This is an area that's growing and changing very quickly. I guess originally the straddle was the UTG position, but today, when I hear straddle, I look around the table to see who has money out, because anymore is not uncommon to allow straddles from anywhere. So, to give a blanket statement that the straddle is from X position will largely be dependent on whether you want to be pedantic, or, which card room you're use to playing in.

 

[Machine]

This is an area that's growing and changing very quickly. I guess originally the straddle was the UTG position, but today, when I hear straddle, I look around the table to see who has money out, because anymore is not uncommon to allow straddles from anywhere. So, to give a blanket statement that the straddle is from X position will largely be dependent on whether you want to be pedantic, or, which card room your use to playing in.

I agree, as I travel more and engage here on PCF I find pockets of poker culture vary based on regional locations.

@upNdown when was the last time RR were updated, and when is the next update?
(Just yank’n your chain, rip Bob)

 

[upNdown]

I agree, as I travel more and engage here on PCF I find pockets of poker culture vary based on regional locations.

@upNdown when was the last time RR were updated, and when is the next update?
(Just yank’n your chain, rip Bob)

I'm just ripping on it because I don't like it. They allow the mississippi straddle at MGM springfield, here in good old Mass. I never remember the name of it, but I just call it the button straddle because that's what it is most of the time.

 

[KHarp1]

I use to hate the straddle, and I'm certainly not in love with it now, but, I've adjusted and try my best to hammer the hell out of it when I can. So, in summary, I don't hate the straddle, I hate the straddler!

 

[springbox]

Never been a fan of button straddles. First, it puts the blinds in an even worse position. Normally the blinds only play because they're already somewhat priced in and may be close to closing the action. With a button straddle you want to play incredibly tight from the blinds. The other reason is changing the order of play. Often I'll see a UTG player try to call/open not noticing the straddle, or the SB or BB not spotting the straddle and wasting time before noticing the action is on them. UTG straddle is better in both of those aspects imo.

 

[Machine]

there are a couple of games around town I’ve played in where there is only a button straddle and no blinds. 5 to 25

Also there is a restraddle, its restraddled at least one an orbit, button post 25, restraddle for 75

 

[bawana]

The way we do it is if there’s a straddle action starts with player following the straddle and then straddle gets option as they were the big blind. If someone wants to raise it has to be minimum $2 since the straddle acts as a big blind with option.