Poll: what payment app(s) are on your mobile phone and you use or would use? (2 Viewers)

What payment app(s) are on your mobile phone and you use or would use to send money to other people?


  • Total voters
    55
Lastly, you are creating a taxable set of transactions. Sure, you have your side of the story but that contractor who paid you from his builder's account filed HIS taxes saying the $2,100 paid to you via e-transfer was a business expense. Now it is three years later and you get an IRS notice saying you failed to file a proper accounting of your half of the transaction. And the way the builder remembered it is going to be difficult to disprove.
It would be just as difficult, if not more so, for the builder to prove it was a legitimate business expense. Invoice, contracts, proof of any work done? Where is all that? PayPal alone process 2.5 billion transactions per quarter, worrying about a few poker transactions is trivial at best.
 
I will continue to bring cash to other people's home games mostly because I would assume they would prefer me to buy-in with cash.

I've considered accepting e-transfers at my home game but I haven't yet done so. I would probably be fine with it if the player asked me - most of the guys I play with I know well enough.

I find it funny the people on here who are worried about "the man" or whoever "tracking" you because of your money transfers. Are all of you living in shacks in the woods and living off the land? I don't mean to stress you out, but there are a million ways you can and probably are being tracked right now. Welcome to the 21st century. You might want to embrace the convenience of technology while you still have the opportunity.
 
It would be just as difficult, if not more so, for the builder to prove it was a legitimate business expense. Invoice, contracts, proof of any work done? Where is all that? PayPal alone process 2.5 billion transactions per quarter, worrying about a few poker transactions is trivial at best.

I think he's just talking about the mismatch at the IRS and the potential headache it could create.

Say, for example, some one filed a 1040 form for that $2,100 payment and you don't submit it with your return. As a result it's not reconciled on the IRS side, and you're carrying the risk. When the IRS catches the conflict you're going to get a demand to respond, or at least to amend your filing. And that's before it gets to any kind of "audit" or "proof" level. And to contest said 1040 you'd need to do so officially with the IRS. Now you're deep in the weeds on a three year old transaction, and the headache is full on in your court.

I think what @DrStrange is getting at is that cash simply eliminates the record of any such transaction (and thus headaches) ever taking place.
 
I think he's just talking about the mismatch at the IRS and the potential headache it could create.

Say, for example, some one filed a 1040 form for that $2,100 payment to you and it's not reconciled on the IRS side. You're going to get a demand to respond, or at least to amend your filing. And that's before it gets to any kind of "audit" or "proof" level. And to contest said 1040, you'd need to do so officially with the IRS. Now you're deep in the weeds on a three year old transaction, and the headache is full on in your court.

I think what @DrStrange is getting at is that cash simply eliminates the record of any such transaction (and thus headaches) ever taking place.
But with that said, this potential is there regardless of a paypal or venmo transaction. It's a huge stretch.
 
But cash is handy and is somewhat less vulnerable to getting "turned off" i.e. getting stolen

I agree with 98% of your post except the line above. Cash is much more susceptible to theft or loss. Burglury, fire, robbery....you are SOL. unauthorised transactions on credit or even debit cards (or pay pal g&s) are much more protected. you might have been referring to account freezes which fortunately are rare and I not aware of a situation where it wasn't sorted out.
 
I've recorded every single financial transaction in my life since 2001 into Microsoft Money. I can tell you how much I've spent on my wife each year since then, by merchant.

Using cash lets me record one withdrawal for $100 which I theN spend on incedentals without a stack of receipts to record and reconcile. Big time saver!

The CDO is real for me.

I am impressed!
 
I rarely have cash on me so I use samsung pay 95% or the time. If card is accepted at a merchant I'll use it. I love having cashiers tell me oh apple pay won't work at this terminal and the look on their faces when my samsung pay goes through because of the MST tech samsung uses. The only time I have cash is for poker nights
 
Here is the summary of the poll!
  • 41 Voters.
  • 81 votes for apps, 8 votes for No App.
  • Market Share
    • Paypal - 68%
    • Venmo - 44%
    • Apple Pay - 24%
    • Zelle - 17%
    • Google - 10%
    • FB Messenger - 10%
    • Samsung, Square, Android - 3%-7%
    • Xoom, Circle - 0%

Thoughts/Conclusions
  • I wonder if PayPal is skewed higher since we use PayPal for sales here between members.
  • Of the people that use these type apps, they have an average of 2 on their phone.
  • Much room for market consolidation. However, I'm glad there is competition here.
  • Given the average age of this forum, I would say this is strong evidence that mobile pay apps are the future.
Thank you for voting and all other comments!
 
I really believe that carrying cash will be so 20th century in a few years here.

Please don't start with cryptocurrency. That is a whole other topic.

I find the fact that you wrote both of these in the same post amusing. Someday, you will look back at this and roll your eyes.

Meanwhile, as far as venmo and PayPal... I accept both for poker buy ins regularly, as well as cash. I have multiple players who will sometimes buy in with cash, and sometimes buying with venmo or PayPal. Because of this, it has never caused a problem...

There's usually more cash than electronic payment coming in, so when people cash out, I try to cash out the electronic first, to make sure there's plenty of cash in the kitty to pay out the remaining people. That being said, even if we were low on cash because of an earlier error where someone bought in with venmo and left with cash before the game ended, we would still be fine, because lots of players are happy to take venmo instead of cash and don't care which they get.

Fortunately for me, I tend to be a winning player, and my venmo and PayPal balances grow over time. It makes it easy for me to pay out people entirely in venmo even if they are the only person who bought in with venmo and turn out to be a winner. It just means I'm left with more cash in the kitty at the end of the night, which is essentially a transfer from my venmo to myself as cash.
 
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I wonder if PayPal is skewed higher since we use PayPal for sales here between members.

I find that venmo is more common with a younger crowd, and PayPal more common with the older crowd.

I think the membership here skews more towards an older crowd, because many of the young blood can't afford good chips yet!
 
I just read an article about Salvation Army. Donations are down because foot traffic is down in malls (due to online shopping). I say they will have bigger problems in the future where the remaining foot traffic will not have any change on their person to toss into the bucket. Perhaps they can put an card reader on their buckets, lol. Seriously they better do something.
 
I find the fact that you wrote both of these in the same post I'm using. Someday, you will look back at this and roll your eyes.

What does this mean? Are you saying crypto currency will become the defacto currency in the future?
 
What does this mean? Are you saying crypto currency will become the defacto currency in the future?
Without having its value monitored or pegged it’s never going to replace existing currency. Maybe for short term / small transactions but for savings or mid-large transactions it’d make a poor substitute.
 
Our home game of 18-23 yo's now almost exclusively uses venmo for games. I used to ask my friends to bring cash but they would always complain because of the inconvenience of tracking down cash. Never had an issue and the accounting always checked out at the end of the night.
 
Just install an electronic table in your house. Cheaper than some sets of chips, and poker chips are so 18th century anyway.
 
Ignore the "(no P2P)" tags in the options. Bad information. And it won't let me change the option text.

Fixed for you. That will be $5 via Venmo, please. Tip your mod.

Merry Christmas, everyone!
 
I meant to say "amusing," not "I'm using." Like so:

I find the fact that you wrote both of these in the same post amusing.
What does this mean? Are you saying crypto currency will become the defacto currency in the future?

Most people still haven't figured out what the deal is with cryptocurrencies. Deciding what you think of any crypto, much less Bitcoin, based on the current value or price volatility is COMPLETELY missing the boat.

We used to use paper money. When you had paper money, you at least had it.

Society is nearly finished replacing paper money with things like PayPal, Venmo, bank-to-bank... But have lost sight of the fact that in those systems, you don't have any money.

They have money, and you have their promise to give it back or use it as you direct. They can still lose it or go bust. If your money is in a bank, then depending on the investment, you may qualify for FDIC insurance if the bank goes bust... To be made whole months after the bank collapses.

If you think you control your PayPal funds, try sending something to a chipper with the note, "this is for that thing on PCF."

Cryptos are the first electronic currency systems where you can actually control your funds. It's actually like holding paper money without the paper - you actual have the ability to keep or spend the crypto. This is the first fundamental advance in the nature of money in a very, very long time. (PayPal and Venmo are just fancy ways for someone else to hold your money.)

Without having its value monitored or pegged it’s never going to replace existing currency.

There are several cryptos which are pegged to Fiat currencies like the US Dollar. All the major cryptos have prices monitored across multiple liquid exchanges. Things like Bitcoin now have multiple price indexes tracked by reputable financial firms.

With greater adoption, investment, and liquidity in the future, the volatility will go down. Notable: there are many Fiat currencies in the world with greater volatility than Bitcoin. Here in the US, it's easy to forget about all the other currencies in the world, because we've had several stable decades. But there are lots of places where people prefer to save something other than their own currency. And I'm not even talking about places with outright crashes, like Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

Without having its value monitored or pegged it’s never going to replace existing currency. Maybe for short term / small transactions but for savings or mid-large transactions it’d make a poor substitute.

Cryptocurrencies are an excellent substitute for Mid or large transactions. Several cryptocurrencies provide for irreversible payments with certainty regardless of the amount, and do so at a tiny cost to the sender and receiver. (Tiny compared to bank-based costs.)

I know this isn't widely understood yet, and there's a lot of disinformation and outright fraud in the growing cryptocurrency sector, but not too many years from now, people will look back on this. And laugh.

Just like back in the 90s, when people said that online commerce can't possibly take off because nobody would ever trust their credit card numbers online.

And back in the 70s, a lot of people thought credit cards would never take off, because most of us would never trust using plastic, and no Merchants would trust accepting plastic.

In a few years, using cryptocurrency will be commonplace and nobody will understand why there was such a fuss about it before. I won't predict which cryptos will be in use and which ones will fail, but the idea of writing off cryptocurrencies as a sector will look ridiculous in retrospect.
 
PayPal and Venmo for me.

I was playing a game not too long ago and I busted out (I blame alcohol). So I asked a buddy if I could Venmo him $200. He goes “I don’t have a Venmo but I have PayPal.”
Being drunk as a skunk, I exclaim “You got on a $3,000 chain and you ain’t got Venmo, mother****er!” He loved it. Everyone else loved it.

That’s my only Venmo story.
 

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