Missing resource? PCF chip-standards (color, denom, progression) (1 Viewer)

[Chippy18]

Hi guys,

I see many mockups or dreams about the perfect cash/tourney set, but most of struggle with the infinity of colors, spots and denominations. I've been there too. But it would be of great help back then to have some sort of written standards/guideline to aid the virgin chipper with envisioning the future set. Would be nice to destill a baseline with do's and dont's from all the great sets we got here.

I know there is lots of information to be found, but its scattered all over. Just a nice tutorual with compact info be a nice addition. In the end I see a page in the resources "Set creation guidelines" or something. Here you find the best choices and why. Also the official coloring with naming like the "hundo", "red bird" as a baseline. Anyone interested or willing to write this up together?

 

[RichMahogany]

How can you have standards and guidelines for something subjective?

That makes zero sense

 

[RichMahogany]

Also, the glossary already exists

 

[Poker Zombie]

It cant be a resource, because there will never be a consensus. Some love spot progression, I loathe it. Some like red chips with blue spots, it gives others a headache. Standard colors, California standard, or any colors will all have their supporters.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

There's enough mooks here who will tell you exactly how you should make a set, no shortage of that; post your customs in the custom design subforum and get some advice from different perspectives. Or don't; I find a lot of people love certain colors because that's how casinos do it, but if you/your players dont frequent casinos and just play your home game, who cares? What does "official coloring" mean?

Enjoy it, don't box yourself in because JoeSchmo with 195k posts doesn't like the green chip being $100 lol. Envision whatever kind of set you want. I got some heat, some even in PMs, about how this set was bad because it put two blues next to each other and had a green chip that wasn't $20 or $25. Your guidelines would be cited against me and I'd laugh at them too.

 

[Chippy18]

I totally understand and agree to all you say. It's only a guide, a starting point, not a "how it must be done or else...".

There are enough mockup discussions about spot progression and color choices to consolidate into a reference.

But I understand this is somewhat difficult given the nature of designing.

 

[Psypher1000]

About the only thing I can think of that would be "standard" - and really they're more like general conventions - would be base colors/shades per denomination for various sets. e.g....

Cali Cash
25c - Red
$1 - Blue
$5 - Yellow
$20 - Black
$25 - Purple
$100 - White
$500 - Lavendar

Vegas Cash
fracs - yellow or orange?
$1 - Blue/White
$5 - Red
$25 - Green
$100 - Black
$500 - Lavendar

Tournament
5 - Red
25 - Green
100 - Black/Dark Blue
500 - Purple
1000 - Orange
5000 - Yellow
25000 - Cranberry

Keep in mind that these would just be guidelines or starting points for those that were first starting out and wanted a signpost to follow. Ultimately what @RichMahogany said is correct - it's subjective. It's your money and your chips. Do what makes you happy. Just measure 342 times and cut once, because that's an expensive check you're writing.

Except for tri-colored quarter pies. That's the real source of COVID. Nobody should make those.

 

[warma]

There's enough mooks here who will tell you exactly how you should make a set, no shortage of that; post your customs in the custom design subforum and get some advice from different perspectives. Or don't; I find a lot of people love certain colors because that's how casinos do it, but if you/your players dont frequent casinos and just play your home game, who cares? What does "official coloring" mean?

Enjoy it, don't box yourself in because JoeSchmo with 195k posts doesn't like the green chip being $100 lol. Envision whatever kind of set you want. I got some heat, some even in PMs, about how this set was bad because it put two blues next to each other and had a green chip that wasn't $20 or $25. Your guidelines would be cited against me and I'd laugh at them too.

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Nope! No green $100s. Not allowed for table chips.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I totally understand and agree to all you say. It's only a guide, a starting point, not a "how it must be done or else...".

There are enough mockup discussions about spot progression and color choices to consolidate into a reference.

But I understand this is somewhat difficult given the nature of designing.

Sure, but then brand new people fall into that trap, that those guides are somehow 'right', or spot progression is 'right' or 'wrong'.

 

[arch3r]

Design Guidelines:
1. Design what you like. They are your customs and you have to live with them.
2. See rule #1

Of course I would suggest soliciting feedback once you have a design to help avoid functional issue like
-- dirty stacks
-- color combinations that don't work for color blind players
-- hard to read denominations on inlays
-- optimal denominations. ( ie. for a cash set, you don't typically need a $0.25, $0.50, $1, $2, $5, $10, $25, $50 and a $100 chip - but maybe you do? )

But as for generally accepted colors and spot progression, pfffft. Don't get stuck designing to someone else's rules. Do what you like. But if you like standard colors and spot progressions, then do that. ( see rules above ).

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Design Guidelines:
1. Design what you like. They are your customs and you have to live with them.
2. See rule #1

Of course I would suggest soliciting feedback once you have a design to help avoid functional issue like
-- dirty stacks
-- color combinations that don't work for color blind players
-- hard to read denominations on inlays
-- optimal denominations. ( ie. for a cash set, you don't typically need a $0.25, $0.50, $1, $2, $5, $10, $25, $50 and a $100 chip - but maybe you do? )

But as for generally accepted colors and spot progression, pfffft. Don't get stuck designing to someone else's rules. Do what you like. But if you like standard colors and spot progressions, then do that. ( see rules above ).

THIS! Anything else would just end up being a giant argument 20 pages long (or more!) and would be more confusing to a n00b than helpful.

Design chips
Post them up for feedback
Ignore 90% of the feedback and get the chips made the way you want them.
Felt them!

 

[grantc54]

About the only thing I can think of that would be "standard" - and really they're more like general conventions - would be base colors/shades per denomination for various sets. e.g....

Cali Cash
25c - Red
$1 - Blue
$5 - Yellow
$20 - Black
$25 - Purple
$100 - White
$500 - Lavendar

Vegas Cash
fracs - yellow or orange?
$1 - Blue/White
$5 - Red
$25 - Green
$100 - Black
$500 - Lavendar

Tournament
5 - Red
25 - Green
100 - Black/Dark Blue
500 - Purple
1000 - Orange
5000 - Yellow
25000 - Cranberry

i think the tournament colours are mixed with cash colours.

Cash
$1k - orange
$5k - gray
$25k - red, blue, etc

Tournament
1000 - yellow
5000 - orange
25000 - blue

I think this post influenced my preferance along with cash sets Ive used for tournament (Jacks).

Cash $1000s tend to be orange, while tournament 1000s tend to be yellow. Cash $5000s tend to be gray, but tournament 1000s can be a variety of colors, including blue, brown, orange, white, and pink.

Varies by locale and sometimes by governing regulations.

Most important facet of home-use tournament chips is easy-to-read denominations and distinctive colors/spots that will not get confused in pots and stacks.

Although I do have two tournament sets, one uses yellow 1k and orange 5k and the other is reverse.

So I dunno?

 

[Poker Zombie]

I will add that if you use Vegas or Cali standard colors you will near few or no gripes. If you anything non-standard you risk a player making a mistake. That goes for chip colors (a black 500 with a blue 100), of non-standard denominations (a T2000 chip of an $8 cash game chip).

I've played games with each of the above deviances. You get used to it, but there are mistakes made by players betting something other than what they think they are betting. You can either allow them to correct their mistake (opening the window for an angle-shoot), or tell them it's their mistake (which is a defacto angle-shoot by giving players familiar with the set an extra advantage).

...but it's your call. As a European chipper, there may be different, or even no colors, that are "standard".

 

[MeridianFC]

I would say you don't necessarily need to follow say the color conventions but the do work pretty well. If you stray from them make sure you are getting some advice from someone knowledgeable and trusted. Like me.

 

[mns99]

Gaming committee's regulations serve as a reference for design.
I'm thinking some design, but since the regulations are different depending on the state, I'm thinking about it as a reference.

 

[allforcharity]

There are no rules.

Happy designing!