Minimum Raise Rule (1 Viewer)

[louBdub]

Why does it exist?

Where did it come from?

Is NLH better without limits? ($20 raise, next player says $21, etc.)


No Limit, with a rule that sets a minimum limit, is not No Limit. It also takes away from human game theory, which can get fun using ones lack of emotion control to make a big raise and die on that hill.

Example:

SB: 50c

BB: $1

UTG: $5

+1: $6

+2: $10

CO: $15

Button: $20

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SB: folds

BB: Calls $20

UTG: Peeks at 6/6 - folds

Middle players: Call $20

CutOff: ALL IN

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And the vicious cycle figures itself out, blood everywhere. Action on action mayhem.

What say PCF pile of opinions

 

[FestiveKnight]

I like it because many of my games are at tiny home games stakes anyways and I dread the idea of just watching people go in a circle adding a quarter on at a time

 

[Sprouty]

So if I want to be an asshole I can raise a single dollar each time just to piss everyone one off?

 

[louBdub]

So if I want to be an asshole I can raise a single dollar each time just to piss everyone one off?

Yes. And cause someone to not just call, but go aggressively over the top, and fault.

As you hold rockets

 

[Sprouty]

Yes. And cause someone to not just call, but go aggressively over the top, and fault.

As you hold rockets

I see your hypothetical and raise you one dollar.

 

[upNdown]

I don't know the history of it, but it's good for efficiency. If somebody raises to $5 and somebody else can make it $6, we could just go around and around all night and my head might explode.

 

[LowerBama1714]

Follow up…why can’t some of my players remember this rule?

Night…after night…after night…after night…after night.

How can they look me in the eyes and pretend they’ve never heard of this rule?…night…after night…after night…after night.

 

[upNdown]

Tangent - I played a tournament in a social club a few weeks ago. Never been there. Blinds were 25/50. Some guy raised to 150 preflop. Next guy wanted to make it 200. These morons hashed it out themselves saying "he raised twice the big blind so you have to raise that much.' Whatever. I didn't get involved.
On the flop, somebody led out for 75 and that was a huge problem because he didn't make it twice the big blind. Half the table actually thought that 75 wasn't a legal bet on the flop because of the preflop action. Shoot me now.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

we could just go around and around all night and my head might explode.

@BarrieJ3

 

[TheOffalo]

Semi-tangent: When I learned about spread limit, like $1-$5, I thought the raises could be any amount within that range. So if someone bet $1 and then someone else raises to $4, a reraise could be to $5 or $6 or anything up to $9.

But my understanding of it now is that it still has to obey the min raise rule. So if it’s a bet of $1 and a raise to $4, the min reraise is to $7. If someone then max raises it to $12, then any subsequent raises (within that round of betting—clarifying due to @upNdown’s anecdote) has to be +$5, no more, no less.

Does anyone play spread limit the first way that I describe? It’s not too bad when the spread is small like 1-5 but in places where no-limit is not allowed the spread may be 1-100, in which case not having a min raise rule could become tedious.

 

[allforcharity]

Tangent - I played a tournament in a social club a few weeks ago. Never been there. Blinds were 25/50. Some guy raised to 150 preflop. Next guy wanted to make it 200. These morons hashed it out themselves saying "he raised twice the big blind so you have to raise that much.' Whatever. I didn't get involved.
On the flop, somebody led out for 75 and that was a huge problem because he didn't make it twice the big blind. Half the table actually thought that 75 wasn't a legal bet on the flop because of the preflop action. Shoot me now.

First scenario: invalid raise. The min raise would be 250, since the difference between the last 2 legal bets is 100, and 150+100 = 250.

Second scenario: valid raise. The difference between the last 2 legal bets (which are the blinds) is 25, and 50+25 = 75.

I have played with house rules that require a min raise of double the last bet, which always fulfills the min raise amount in standard betting.

 

[springbox]

From a pot odds perspective a min raise is usually a very bad move. Given that's the case, I don't think allowing smaller raises adds much to the game. Allowing smaller raises will mostly just waste time.

 

[TheOffalo]

Second scenario: valid raise. The difference between the last 2 legal bets (which are the blinds) is 25, and 50+25 = 75.

Second scenario the 75 is an opening bet postflop, not a raise. It’s still legal since it’s at least the BB value.

I have played with house rules that require a min raise of double the last bet, which always fulfills the min raise amount in standard betting.

I was guilty of this for a while early on before I educated myself.

 

[dpeks13]

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Follow up…why can’t some of my players remember this rule?

Night…after night…after night…after night…after night.

How can they look me in the eyes and pretend they’ve never heard of this rule?…night…after night…after night…after night.

Horrified. Flabbergasted. Same look I get when I ask the big blind if they want to check or bet. Every night, every rotation.

"But....Frank....I already put the 10cents in!"

 

[louBdub]

Scroll to 10:13

Send to your players.

 

[BottomPair7]

My vote is casted. My house rule is the minimum raise has to be double the current raise. It has been accepted well in our group.

 

[Strike]

same here. example 1-2 game raise $5. Raise MUST be at least $8 since $2 to $5 and then $8 and subsequently 11 if the next guy min raises. my home game typically employs standard casino or poker room rules. Also I never allow Any Elmer Fudd shenanigans.

 

[Skagglio]

I'm starting to understand why there isn't a lot of interest to open poker rooms in Alabama.

 

[moose]

Second scenario: valid raise. The difference between the last 2 legal bets (which are the blinds) is 25, and 50+25 = 75.

Huh? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

First of all, it's not a raise, it's a bet. Second, min bet on any street is the BB. Min raise preflop is also the BB.

Difference between the blinds? Stay away from crack man.

 

[Strike]

Huh? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

First of all, it's not a raise, it's a bet. Second, min bet on any street is the BB. Min raise preflop is also the BB.

Difference between the blinds? Stay away from crack man.

ya small blind is irrelevant

 

[moose]

Reason for a min bet/raise is to prevent angling.


"Raise...scans table....notices guy drooling in corner....$1"


Two guys working together. 1st guy has strong hand, limps, goes around table, colluder "Raise $1"...back to partner...betting is reopened and he slams it.

 

[allforcharity]

Min raise is the difference between the last two legal bets, added to the value of the last legal bet. Blinds are forced legal bets.

 

[allforcharity]

ya small blind is irrelevant

If it's completely irrelevant, then why is it there and why is it assigned a specific value?

 

[Strike]

If it's completely irrelevant, then why is it there and why is it assigned a specific value?

irrelevant when considering min raise. or open bet. you can't bet $1 in a 1-2 game and cannot raise a bet by $1 in a 1-2 game.

 

[Strike]

Also didn't say completely irrelevant. My comment was toward's Moose's post. Any casino or poker room will not allow a small blind (if less than BB) bet on any street thus making the value of SB arbitrary and irrelevant on issue betting or raising.

 

[louBdub]

I'm starting to understand why there isn't a lot of interest to open poker rooms in Alabama.

There’s actually a metric fuck ton of interest

We just have politicians who love their bible a bit too much…. As for poker, there’s 24 members in my club alone, 4 host tables, and 3 more building their setup to host as well.

If we can get the laws changed, it’s gonna boom here. Florida and Louisiana will suffer greatly.

 

[LowerBama1714]

There’s actually a metric fuck ton of interest

We just have politicians who love their bible a bit too much…. As for poker, there’s 24 members in my club alone, 4 host tables, and 3 more building their setup to host as well.

If we can get the laws changed, it’s gonna boom here. Florida and Louisiana will suffer greatly.

God damn right, man!