Doumsey
High Hand
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Doumsey
High Hand
Hi guys
I just found out about the last great CC from Apache : Royal Poker Chips. And Im probably gonna place a ~1000chips set order very soon.
But I need help on a mix set to play basically either :
- small size and easy to play tourneys on the go
6 to 8 players, fast structure, 5k to 10k starting stack... For our casual 2 to 3 hours poker nights
- big baller events I would call "just like the pros on TV
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10 to + players (2 tables possible), very slow structure, allowing rebuys.... We like to have big starting stacks both in value and number of chips (35+) and a game that finishes with big denoms, splashing tens of thousands in the pot. You see what I mean.
Based on this, I need your expert opinion !!
Is a 1000pc set really warranted and maybe could I do just as well with 700 for instance ? My budget allows me to go up to 1000pc so if there are some fun sets to assemble Im willing to.
Is it better to build two separate sets ? I doubt they could really be independent and T1000 and T5000 chips may overlap...
Anyway thanks for the help!!
Reminder :
Denoms available on this set : 25 / 100 / 500 / 1000 / 5000 / 25000 / 100000
Maybe some plaques 500000 for extra swag but I dont know if they really will be needed.
I just found out about the last great CC from Apache : Royal Poker Chips. And Im probably gonna place a ~1000chips set order very soon.
But I need help on a mix set to play basically either :
- small size and easy to play tourneys on the go
6 to 8 players, fast structure, 5k to 10k starting stack... For our casual 2 to 3 hours poker nights
- big baller events I would call "just like the pros on TV
" 10 to + players (2 tables possible), very slow structure, allowing rebuys.... We like to have big starting stacks both in value and number of chips (35+) and a game that finishes with big denoms, splashing tens of thousands in the pot. You see what I mean.
Based on this, I need your expert opinion !!
Is a 1000pc set really warranted and maybe could I do just as well with 700 for instance ? My budget allows me to go up to 1000pc so if there are some fun sets to assemble Im willing to.
Is it better to build two separate sets ? I doubt they could really be independent and T1000 and T5000 chips may overlap...
Anyway thanks for the help!!
Reminder :
Denoms available on this set : 25 / 100 / 500 / 1000 / 5000 / 25000 / 100000
Maybe some plaques 500000 for extra swag but I dont know if they really will be needed.
So you want a small T25-base set for your casual games, and a "high-roller" set for more serious games?
MaxB
Full House
I made a Matsui set with both small starting stack and high roller games:
T25/100/500/1000 chips
6p T10k 20/25/14/00 120 150 84 00 = 354 chips minimum (starting stacks of 59 chips)
or something like this to use T1000's at the start
8p T10k 12/17/12/02 96 136 96 16 = 344 chips minimum (starting stacks of 43 chips)
For the high roller (multiply for additional tables):
T5000/T25k/T100k
Tp T1M 15/17/05 150 170 50 = 370 min chips
Tp T1.5M 15/17/10 150 170 100 = 420 min chips
So many combinations you can choose from beyond these
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Doumsey
High Hand
Well... Yeah I guess its basically my need in much much less words haha
If I try to be a bit clearer :
My budget allows me to go up to a 1000 chips set. I want to be able to run both small & fast tourneys and high roller big events.
So I'm looking for the correct way to build my set.
And I dont know if (a) I even need 1000 chips (maybe there is just as good formula with less) and (b) do I need two independent sets or a big one which can answer oth needs.
MaxB
Full House
for low stakes T10000, go 8/13/5/6 for a decent starting stack of chips. 8 players is 64/104/40/48 chips. So with extras, 80/120/40/60 for 300 total (no room for rebuys) If the chips come in packs of 25, then go 75/125/50/50 for bare minimum 8 players T1000
High stakes starting with T5000 as the lowest denom, go 10/16/5 for a T1M starting stack. Minimum needed for 20 players is 200/320/100, so with extras go with 220/380/120/80 where the 80 T500k can be for rebuys. Total chips is 800. You can go way less chips but you said you like to start with 35+ chips, so at 20 players, you are going to need a lot. If in packs of 25, then 225/325/125/125 for 800 chips
Thats 1100 chips total for both sets. If you want 1000 or less, you need to remove the idea of having 35ish chips in the starting stacks and go a bit smaller
High stakes starting with T5000 as the lowest denom, go 10/16/5 for a T1M starting stack. Minimum needed for 20 players is 200/320/100, so with extras go with 220/380/120/80 where the 80 T500k can be for rebuys. Total chips is 800. You can go way less chips but you said you like to start with 35+ chips, so at 20 players, you are going to need a lot. If in packs of 25, then 225/325/125/125 for 800 chips
Thats 1100 chips total for both sets. If you want 1000 or less, you need to remove the idea of having 35ish chips in the starting stacks and go a bit smaller
From BGinGA's recommendations, I have a couple 1000 chips sets that have a 200/200/100/200/200/100 breakdown (T25 through T25k). Nice easy full racks of chips, no mixed racks.
T10k tourneys:
Personally, I like that the regular or large games are a T10k but the special/limited/smaller games are high roller. In my mind, the high roller game is more exclusive so I wouldn't expect to see the format in a large, slow, multi table tournament.
The speed of the game has little to do with your chips and more to do with the blinds schedule. For example, we play a T10k single table game with max 2 rebuys per player and 15 minute blind levels that lasts 3 hours. Our T100k game also has 15 minute blinds and lasts the same time. If you want the game to last longer, then increase the time between blinds changes.
Rule of thumb is that the game will end when the blinds are around 5% of the chips in play. For example, with 10 players, T10k starting and no rebuys the game ends around the T2/T4k blind level.
T10k tourneys:
- Single table, I use 12/17/4/6 starting stacks (T25-T1k) and rebuys are 10x T1k.
- I can also do 12/12/5/6 for 16 people (2 tables of 8) or 8/8/4/6 for 25 people (three tables of 8).
- And, of course, add a T5k chip for T15k starting stacks and up if you want to make it deeper
- 10/10/7/2 for T100k (T500-T25k) for 10 players and loads of rebuys
- 10/10/7/10 for T300k (T500-T25k) for 10 players deepstack
Personally, I like that the regular or large games are a T10k but the special/limited/smaller games are high roller. In my mind, the high roller game is more exclusive so I wouldn't expect to see the format in a large, slow, multi table tournament.
The speed of the game has little to do with your chips and more to do with the blinds schedule. For example, we play a T10k single table game with max 2 rebuys per player and 15 minute blind levels that lasts 3 hours. Our T100k game also has 15 minute blinds and lasts the same time. If you want the game to last longer, then increase the time between blinds changes.
Rule of thumb is that the game will end when the blinds are around 5% of the chips in play. For example, with 10 players, T10k starting and no rebuys the game ends around the T2/T4k blind level.
@Doumsey
Just so we're on the same page, "high roller" refers to the denominations on the chips, and has nothing to do with buy-in amounts, seriousness of play, or starting stack depth.
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Doumsey
High Hand
Yes Indeed. Sorry for the confusion.
By high roller I mostly meant some fancy configuration with big denoms and starting stacks (both in value and number of chips).
In a sense, this is supposed to be a more lenghty structure and deepstack config (thus a bit more serious) but this is not the focal point.
By high roller I mostly meant some fancy configuration with big denoms and starting stacks (both in value and number of chips).
In a sense, this is supposed to be a more lenghty structure and deepstack config (thus a bit more serious) but this is not the focal point.
If you want a deep stack, but start both with the same starting chips, this should be very easy to do.
Build your set for your deeper stack game for 20 players and it will easily accommodate your smaller stack game. Here is an example
The Color up column assumes a complete color up of all the previous chips. I pulled this from a spreadsheet. That column is really necessary for the purpose of seeing what you could eliminate.
This is only one way to do this, but with the 25 T25,000, for 20 players, you could give stacks of up to 100,000. This gives 5 extra chips of each color. It uses T5,000 as the color up chips. For your big stack game, it would use T25,000 later in the game. This would be a very flexible set.
You could get away with 3 T500s. If you had to buy in stacks of 25, here is an alternate very similar to above.
To get to 1,000 chips, I'd probably add 50 T1,000s to this, if it were me. You could start using T1,000s as color up chips. I could also see adding 25 each of T1,000 and T5,000
Higher value chips are going to give your set more flexibility. Both of these sets start with over 40 chips in the starting stack. This set, using T25 as a base, could accommodate starting stacks of 100BB to 1,000BB (that would be tough, but doable).
Build your set for your deeper stack game for 20 players and it will easily accommodate your smaller stack game. Here is an example
| Value | Chips | Pt Value | Total Val | # | Need | Color up | Need | Add | Total Chips |
25 | 12 | 300 | 300 | 20 | 240 | 0 | 240 | 5 | 245 |
100 | 12 | 1,200 | 1,500 | 20 | 240 | 60 | 300 | -55 | 245 |
500 | 5 | 2,500 | 4,000 | 20 | 100 | 30 | 130 | -25 | 105 |
1,000 | 6 | 6,000 | 10,000 | 20 | 120 | 65 | 185 | 0 | 185 |
5,000 | 8 | 40,000 | 50,000 | 20 | 160 | 37 | 197 | -2 | 195 |
25,000 | 0 | 0 | 50,000 | 20 | 0 | 39 | 39 | -14 | 25 |
| 2 Table Model | 43 | 50,000 | 860 | 231 | 1,091 | -91 | 1,000 |
The Color up column assumes a complete color up of all the previous chips. I pulled this from a spreadsheet. That column is really necessary for the purpose of seeing what you could eliminate.
This is only one way to do this, but with the 25 T25,000, for 20 players, you could give stacks of up to 100,000. This gives 5 extra chips of each color. It uses T5,000 as the color up chips. For your big stack game, it would use T25,000 later in the game. This would be a very flexible set.
You could get away with 3 T500s. If you had to buy in stacks of 25, here is an alternate very similar to above.
| Value | Chips | Pt Value | Total Val | # | Need | Color up | Need | Add | Total Chips |
25 | 12 | 300 | 300 | 20 | 240 | 0 | 240 | 10 | 250 |
100 | 12 | 1,200 | 1,500 | 20 | 240 | 60 | 300 | -50 | 250 |
500 | 3 | 1,500 | 3,000 | 20 | 60 | 30 | 90 | -15 | 75 |
1,000 | 7 | 7,000 | 10,000 | 20 | 140 | 45 | 185 | -10 | 175 |
5,000 | 8 | 40,000 | 50,000 | 20 | 160 | 37 | 197 | 3 | 200 |
25,000 | 0 | 0 | 50,000 | 20 | 0 | 39 | 39 | 11 | 50 |
| 2 Table Model | 42 | 50,000 | 840 | 211 | 1,051 | -51 | 1,000 |
To get to 1,000 chips, I'd probably add 50 T1,000s to this, if it were me. You could start using T1,000s as color up chips. I could also see adding 25 each of T1,000 and T5,000
Higher value chips are going to give your set more flexibility. Both of these sets start with over 40 chips in the starting stack. This set, using T25 as a base, could accommodate starting stacks of 100BB to 1,000BB (that would be tough, but doable).
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Doumsey
High Hand
Oh thanks a lot for putting all of this together!
This is indeed one way to look at it, didnt think about it. Building a deep stack set for 2 tables tourneys makes sense as it allows me next to just downsize within the same set to accomodate small games as you said.
Only thing is that it does not allow some crazy 500k to 1M starting stack to emulate some high roller feel and such (like MaxB proposition)..
But your way makes it indeed very flexible.
I will look into this, thanks a lot
This is indeed one way to look at it, didnt think about it. Building a deep stack set for 2 tables tourneys makes sense as it allows me next to just downsize within the same set to accomodate small games as you said.
Only thing is that it does not allow some crazy 500k to 1M starting stack to emulate some high roller feel and such (like MaxB proposition)..
But your way makes it indeed very flexible.
I will look into this, thanks a lot
Expert tutelage
Doumsey, you could also use higher values. I think there is a spreadsheet available that does what I did above. If not, PM me with your email address and I'll send you one I created (and used above). What will give you the most flexible set is using the same chips for both games, but build the set for the larger game.
Of course, no one is ever going to suggest you not get 2 sets and more than 1,000 chips! The answer on this site is ALWAYS more chips.
Of course, no one is ever going to suggest you not get 2 sets and more than 1,000 chips! The answer on this site is ALWAYS more chips.
dmoney
Full House
With modified but still reasonable starting stacks, is there a 400-500 chip breakdown that has similar flexibility for a single table? Or perhaps two tables without rebuys?
With modified but still reasonable starting stacks, is there a 400-500 chip breakdown that has similar flexibility for a single table? Or perhaps two tables without rebuys?
Single-table T25-base tourney set (T10000 stacks, 12/12/5/6/x):
120 x T25
120 x T100
50 x T500
75 x T1000
35 x T5000
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400 chips, including spares for color-ups plus re-buys or T20K stacks
To push it to two tables (T10000 stacks, 8/8/4/7):
160 x T25
160 x T100
80 x T500
140 x T1000
13 x T5000
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553 chips, including spares for color-ups
Combining those two options, you get:
160 x T25
160 x T100
80 x T500
140 x T1000
35 x T5000
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575 chips
To add high-roller single-table capability (T500-base, 10/10/7/x stacks ranging from T50K to T300K), you'll need:
100 x T500
100 x T1000
100 x T5000
100 x T25000
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400 chips, with spares for T500/T1000 color-ups (and re-buys for stacks up to T200K)
Combining that with the previous T25-base 2-table set:
160 x T25
160 x T100
100 x T500
140 x T1000
100 x T5000
100 x T25000
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760 chips
You can get by with only 40 x T25000 chips (stacks up to T150K, no re-buys) if you want to limit the set size to 700 chips.
Single-table T25-base tourney set (T10000 stacks, 12/12/5/6/x):
120 x T25
120 x T100
50 x T500
75 x T1000
35 x T5000
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400 chips, including spares for color-ups plus re-buys or T20K stacks
To push it to two tables (T10000 stacks, 8/8/4/7):
160 x T25
160 x T100
80 x T500
140 x T1000
13 x T5000
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553 chips, including spares for color-ups
Combining those two options, you get:
160 x T25
160 x T100
80 x T500
140 x T1000
35 x T5000
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575 chips
To add high-roller single-table capability (T500-base, 10/10/7/x stacks ranging from T50K to T300K), you'll need:
100 x T500
100 x T1000
100 x T5000
100 x T25000
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400 chips, with spares for T500/T1000 color-ups (and re-buys for stacks up to T200K)
Combining that with the previous T25-base 2-table set:
160 x T25
160 x T100
100 x T500
140 x T1000
100 x T5000
100 x T25000
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760 chips
You can get by with only 40 x T25000 chips (stacks up to T150K, no re-buys) if you want to limit the set size to 700 chips.
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Doumsey
High Hand
After seeing a wonderful custom cash set based on those Royal chips (https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/mill-town-cash-set.47491/) i'm considering tweaking a bit my need here to maybe do a customed labeled set for cash and a tourney set on the side.
It does not invalidate all your contributions, actually some of them including the last one from BGinGA could help as I may need to constitute my flexible tourney set with maybe 600-700 chips instead of 1000.
Your last proposition for a 700 chips set with this breakdown would be a good fit (as I suuuuper rarely have a full 2 tables structure within my friends):
160 x T25
160 x T100
100 x T500
140 x T1000
100 x T5000
40 x T25000
I get I will need to give up on the T300k or more (500k, 1M...) strating stacks for this set. This is fine.
Would you even have a 600 chips alternative which allows both low starting stacks and "high roller" stacks?
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And then for the cash set on the side, I know we are going off track from my initial post but if I tell you that :
- Usually 6 to 10 players max cash sessions
- NL25 (0.10/0.25) and sometimes NL50 (0.25/0.50) limits.
- Friends usually like to buy in for maximum 20$, regardless of the limit even for NL25. But everyone is mostly in for 3 to 4 buy ins during the night, we just dont like having too much on the table at the start and force large buy ins for everyone.
- So in play we usually have at the start between 100$ and 150$; and by the end of the night depending of the fun we could end up with 300$ to 500$ on the table.
I doubt 20$ chips make sense but I fancy having at least a barrel in the set for fun and style
Does this split make sense ? :
100 x 10c
100 x 25c (maybe a bit too much of fracs here ?)
160 x 1$
40 x 2,5$ (this is a stretch I know, maybe its just better to use them to pump the 1$ up to 200)
60 x 5$
40 x 20$
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500 chips
(and I could use the T100 from the tourney set to make it more complete if someday we use it for a much bigger game)
Maybe a bit too much of denoms but I also kinda like the 2.5$ chips... If it doesnt make sense or its just not practical at all tell me.
Also if I go for 25$ instead of 20$ i could use the ones from the tourney set to save a bit on this one... but a good 20$ would be cool ! Dilemna !
If you feel I need to open up a new thread for this, no problem
Thanks
It does not invalidate all your contributions, actually some of them including the last one from BGinGA could help as I may need to constitute my flexible tourney set with maybe 600-700 chips instead of 1000.
Your last proposition for a 700 chips set with this breakdown would be a good fit (as I suuuuper rarely have a full 2 tables structure within my friends):
160 x T25
160 x T100
100 x T500
140 x T1000
100 x T5000
40 x T25000
I get I will need to give up on the T300k or more (500k, 1M...) strating stacks for this set. This is fine.
Would you even have a 600 chips alternative which allows both low starting stacks and "high roller" stacks?
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And then for the cash set on the side, I know we are going off track from my initial post but if I tell you that :
- Usually 6 to 10 players max cash sessions
- NL25 (0.10/0.25) and sometimes NL50 (0.25/0.50) limits.
- Friends usually like to buy in for maximum 20$, regardless of the limit even for NL25. But everyone is mostly in for 3 to 4 buy ins during the night, we just dont like having too much on the table at the start and force large buy ins for everyone.
- So in play we usually have at the start between 100$ and 150$; and by the end of the night depending of the fun we could end up with 300$ to 500$ on the table.
I doubt 20$ chips make sense but I fancy having at least a barrel in the set for fun and style
Does this split make sense ? :
100 x 10c
100 x 25c (maybe a bit too much of fracs here ?)
160 x 1$
40 x 2,5$ (this is a stretch I know, maybe its just better to use them to pump the 1$ up to 200)
60 x 5$
40 x 20$
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500 chips
(and I could use the T100 from the tourney set to make it more complete if someday we use it for a much bigger game)
Maybe a bit too much of denoms but I also kinda like the 2.5$ chips... If it doesnt make sense or its just not practical at all tell me.
Also if I go for 25$ instead of 20$ i could use the ones from the tourney set to save a bit on this one... but a good 20$ would be cool ! Dilemna !
If you feel I need to open up a new thread for this, no problem
Thanks
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MaxB
Full House
My opinion, but a 10c chip is a terrible idea. Completely useless other than posting a small blind. I'd go 25c/25c blinds and use the 100 chips for something else, unlike a 25c chip which evenly goes into 50c, $1, etc, a 10c chip only helps if the raise is 50c or a factor of that.
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Doumsey
High Hand
Hmm.. So maybe go with a 5c chip instead of a 10c chip if we go for some occasional cool NL10(.05/.10) action ?
And then having 5c and 25c makes more sense ?
And then having 5c and 25c makes more sense ?
Your tourney breakdown is excellent, but you'll ever need more than a barrel T25,000 chips for a 20-player tourney. In all likelihood, 10 would do it.
I agree on the dimes. Just play .25/.25. Maybe get nickels if you ever want to play with $5 or $10 buyins.
.25 x 120 (up to 200 if your game is very limpy)
$1 x 200
$5 x 180
$20 x 20
I agree on the dimes. Just play .25/.25. Maybe get nickels if you ever want to play with $5 or $10 buyins.
.25 x 120 (up to 200 if your game is very limpy)
$1 x 200
$5 x 180
$20 x 20
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Second rule of PClubF is: Never mix cash and tourney sets
Second rule of PClubF is: Never mix cash and tourney sets
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Doumsey
High Hand
Mmmh...
I have 2 racks of Paulson roulette solid chips (one blue and one yellow). Maybe I will use them to replace a low value denom such as 5c or 10c for some low stakes cash games and stick to a starting chip of 25c for my custom set yeah. It would make sense.
Screw the $2.5 chips it seems from your first two replies
I have 2 racks of Paulson roulette solid chips (one blue and one yellow). Maybe I will use them to replace a low value denom such as 5c or 10c for some low stakes cash games and stick to a starting chip of 25c for my custom set yeah. It would make sense.
Screw the $2.5 chips it seems from your first two replies
A non-denom solid is perfect for nickels or dimes.Mmmh...
I have 2 racks of Paulson roulette solid chips (one blue and one yellow). Maybe I will use them to replace a low value denom such as 5c or 10c for some low stakes cash games and stick to a starting chip of 25c for my custom set yeah. It would make sense.
Screw the $2.5 chips it seems from your first two replies
Yeah, no need for the $2.50 chip. It just takes up unnecessary chip budget, and would make play more cumbersome.
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Doumsey
High Hand
Well its not really that much of a mix I guess.
Its more allright lets build a dedicated 700 chips set (maybe 600 if someone has an input on how to downsize a bit @BGinGA contribution); and now lets work on a custom cash set on the side using the same chips cause I love the design of those Royal Chips.
An idea:
100x5c
100x25c
120x$1
10x$5
That is 10 $20 buy-ins and 330 chips. For the other 170 chips, definitely get more $5 (like a total of 100). Maybe even plan the first several re-buys with $5 chips. Then you could go with 80x$20 to round out 500, but I'd be more inclined to do 10-20x$20, and put the rest in the extra 25c and $1. I think those will be your workhorse chips and you are likely to want more of them.
Assuming the Royals lend themselves to custom labels, you conceivably could use them for both cash and tournament, but I'd make the designs quite different and use a different background color to distinguish them.
100x5c
100x25c
120x$1
10x$5
That is 10 $20 buy-ins and 330 chips. For the other 170 chips, definitely get more $5 (like a total of 100). Maybe even plan the first several re-buys with $5 chips. Then you could go with 80x$20 to round out 500, but I'd be more inclined to do 10-20x$20, and put the rest in the extra 25c and $1. I think those will be your workhorse chips and you are likely to want more of them.
Assuming the Royals lend themselves to custom labels, you conceivably could use them for both cash and tournament, but I'd make the designs quite different and use a different background color to distinguish them.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
So in general, I am not a fan of dimes and quarters coexisting. They don't divide each other so making change can be tricky.
I have been meaning to make a longer post on this but I did experiment with a 0.10-0.50-1 breakdown in my micro game on Sunday. Overall that went pretty well.
Had 100* 0.10, 40 * 0.50, and 160 * 1. Plenty of chips to cover what was in play.
This is for 10 buy ins, if your purpose is 25NL, I think just playing .25-.25 suits the purpose better.
I have been meaning to make a longer post on this but I did experiment with a 0.10-0.50-1 breakdown in my micro game on Sunday. Overall that went pretty well.
Had 100* 0.10, 40 * 0.50, and 160 * 1. Plenty of chips to cover what was in play.
This is for 10 buy ins, if your purpose is 25NL, I think just playing .25-.25 suits the purpose better.
MaxB
Full House
so my old micro cash set had 5c chips and that is a much better choice...however ..... I now use my Vegas house mold cash set to play the micro stakes 5c/10c game, and instead of having 5c chips, I use the $5 chips as nickles. Between those, the quarters, and the $1 chips, there will never be a need for higher denoms (I actually have 50c and $2 chips if necessary .... because I hate using 25c chips in a 50c/$1 blind game and I'm a bit crazy with the set )
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Doumsey
High Hand
What do you mean by lend themselves to custom labels?
I like the idea to use a different background or making labels slightly different indeed between my tourney and cash sets! But if I go for 20$ chips there wont be denom in common actually, as I intend my tourney set to be base T25.
I like your cash breakdown.
I could use solid roulette chips (ncv) for my 5c chips so I think I will pump up the quarters and 1$.
Could allow me to go for
100 x 25c
200 x 1$
160 x 5$
40 x 20$
I could go for less 5s and more quarter, but I feel like this breakdown could let me absorb more higher stakes games in the future.
Would that sounds good?
By lend themselves to custom labels, I mean they have a recessed area for the labels. If the area isn't recessed, then the labels make stacking harder and the labels wear out with a lot of use.
Your plan for 5c is a good one! I think you will appreciate having more $1s and $5s, and maybe even a few more $20s. However, what you have there is pretty good, IMO.
Your plan for 5c is a good one! I think you will appreciate having more $1s and $5s, and maybe even a few more $20s. However, what you have there is pretty good, IMO.
Doumsey, here is another thought on the chip breakdown, and something on labels.
I'm assuming 100 x 5c chips, but the number could be higher. This is your proposed breakdown; some things jump out at me. [1] Players start with 33 chips. That's not a problem, but a lot of people like to start with more. [2] Almost all of the $5 chips are for rebuys and 40% of the $1s are for rebuys. [3] The total bank is $1,830.
There is nothing wrong with that. However, I think the following would be a more flexible set. Here I'm assuming you have 200 NCV chips to use as 5c.
Compare: [1] Players start with 47 chips. [2] You have more 25c, and will use all of them. The $5 chips are still mostly for rebuys, but you have fewer of them. You have way more $20s you can use for rebuys. [3] The total bank is over $2,700, an increase of over 50%. You have some flexibility to do say 25c/25c, or 25c/50c. You have the $1s to give every player 1 more, making up for the lack of 5c. You could still use $5s for rebuys and accommodate 27 rebuys without breaking out the $20s. You then have 100 rebuys worth of $20s. When your game stakes grow, you have the higher value chips to accommodate that.
Do notice that when you take out the 5c, the number of chips per player goes down drastically. I personally think $20 for an x/25c, or 25c/50c game is way too low of a buyin. If you are playing 25c/25c I think it should be at least $40. That's just my opinion, but you can see that the number of chips in play is going to be small. I actually think 5c/10c is ideally suited for a $40 buy-in if it is a no limit game. In no limit, I like 400BB, but $20 is only 200BB and I think better suited for limit. That will vary some with your game, but whether you agree with me or not on that, I think you would appreciate the more flexible chip set.
On labels, here is something I've seen that I'll mention. On your cash chips, since you would be using a solid color for the NCV chips, you could get labels that match the chip colors. Then your cash chips would all be one color. For your tournament set, you could use white labels for all chips. Whether you used all one design or multiple designs on the chips of either, the label color alone distinguishes between cash and tournament.
I'd love to see you post pics once you get your set built.
I'm assuming 100 x 5c chips, but the number could be higher. This is your proposed breakdown; some things jump out at me. [1] Players start with 33 chips. That's not a problem, but a lot of people like to start with more. [2] Almost all of the $5 chips are for rebuys and 40% of the $1s are for rebuys. [3] The total bank is $1,830.
| Value | Start | P1 Chip | P1 Total | # Ppl | Need | Extras | Total | Prize $ |
$0.01 | 0 | $0.00 | $0.00 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | $0.00 |
$0.05 | 10 | $0.50 | $0.50 | 10 | 100 | 0 | 100 | $5.00 |
$0.25 | 10 | $2.50 | $3.00 | 10 | 100 | 0 | 100 | $25.00 |
$1.00 | 12 | $12.00 | $15.00 | 10 | 120 | 80 | 200 | $200.00 |
$5.00 | 1 | $5.00 | $20.00 | 10 | 10 | 150 | 160 | $800.00 |
$20.00 | 0 | $0.00 | $20.00 | 10 | 0 | 40 | 40 | $800.00 |
| 33 | $20 | 330 | 270 | 600 | $1,830.00 |
There is nothing wrong with that. However, I think the following would be a more flexible set. Here I'm assuming you have 200 NCV chips to use as 5c.
| Value | Start | P1 Chip | P1 Total | # Ppl | Need | Extras | Total | Prize $ |
$0.01 | 0 | $0.00 | $0.00 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | $0.00 |
$0.05 | 20 | $1.00 | $1.00 | 10 | 200 | 0 | 200 | $10.00 |
$0.25 | 16 | $4.00 | $5.00 | 10 | 160 | 0 | 160 | $40.00 |
$1.00 | 10 | $10.00 | $15.00 | 10 | 100 | 20 | 120 | $120.00 |
$5.00 | 1 | $5.00 | $20.00 | 10 | 10 | 110 | 120 | $600.00 |
$20.00 | 0 | $0.00 | $20.00 | 10 | 0 | 100 | 100 | $2,000.00 |
| 47 | $20 | 470 | 230 | 700 | $2,770.00 |
Compare: [1] Players start with 47 chips. [2] You have more 25c, and will use all of them. The $5 chips are still mostly for rebuys, but you have fewer of them. You have way more $20s you can use for rebuys. [3] The total bank is over $2,700, an increase of over 50%. You have some flexibility to do say 25c/25c, or 25c/50c. You have the $1s to give every player 1 more, making up for the lack of 5c. You could still use $5s for rebuys and accommodate 27 rebuys without breaking out the $20s. You then have 100 rebuys worth of $20s. When your game stakes grow, you have the higher value chips to accommodate that.
Do notice that when you take out the 5c, the number of chips per player goes down drastically. I personally think $20 for an x/25c, or 25c/50c game is way too low of a buyin. If you are playing 25c/25c I think it should be at least $40. That's just my opinion, but you can see that the number of chips in play is going to be small. I actually think 5c/10c is ideally suited for a $40 buy-in if it is a no limit game. In no limit, I like 400BB, but $20 is only 200BB and I think better suited for limit. That will vary some with your game, but whether you agree with me or not on that, I think you would appreciate the more flexible chip set.
On labels, here is something I've seen that I'll mention. On your cash chips, since you would be using a solid color for the NCV chips, you could get labels that match the chip colors. Then your cash chips would all be one color. For your tournament set, you could use white labels for all chips. Whether you used all one design or multiple designs on the chips of either, the label color alone distinguishes between cash and tournament.
I'd love to see you post pics once you get your set built.
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