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First. I don't like brown colors on chips. I just... don't. It's my own personal preference. I have nothing against anyone who does.

So that's problem one with Jack Cincy 1s.
The next is: why are they THC when the rest of the set is RHC? I thought it might be because they thought the 1s would wear out and went with THC because it's more robust and durable. But then why not 5s, arguably more used in the casinos than 1s.


These problems made me motivated enough to do something about it. So here's what I did.

First: Find a suitable white RHC chip.
I decided on HSI 1a. They are readily available, and not that expensive. I like the purple color stripe. Also, they have a THC sized inlay on an RHC chip, so they are begging to be modified. Just look at all that extra space around the inlay!
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(Pic by @BillyBluff)

Next, get the inlays. This, as some of you know, this can be a long process. So I decided to go independent, and went with a sticker printing company (and not Sticker Mule.)

I asked @TheOffalo if they had a Jack Cincy template. He asked what I was up to, so I told him about the HSI 1a and redoing the Jack 1s. He immediately sent the vector file with the hexagon faux inlay, and even changed the $1 denomination color, from brown (barf) to the purple of the HSI chips.

My goal was to get RHC sized inlays, and mil the chips to the proper RHC inlay size.

I never milled before, but I thought if Josh Kifer can do it, so can I. ;) (Yes, this is a joke. I knew milling is extremely challenging and not everyone can do it. And you also need the right equipment.)

Big problem with milling RHC number 1: there's no RCH sized milling "bits" anywhere. Oh, I could find the correct bits for THC size at every website I looked at for milling stuff. But RHC size? It just doesn't exist.
So I had to get a bit the next size up, and mill the bit down to the correct size for RHC. And holy shit is that difficult. The very small difference in sizes is huge, and milling hardened steel is grueling. I never actually had to use calipers before, but for this project... making a custom sized milling bit? Yes I did.

Big problem with milling RHC number 2: I've never milled before. So this happens:
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Remember the part about HSI 1a being readily available and not very expensive? Yeah, I took full advantage of that while learning to mill. I think I ruined about 1 and ½ racks of chips learning. I don't know why I didn't get cheaper chips to practice on... but oh well.

Then I had the sticker printing company make the vector file from TheOffalo into RHC sized inlays (stickers).
Due to someone dropping the ball, they printed out in a hexagon shape, instead of a circle with a faux hexagon inlay.
So they had to be redone.

While waiting for the new inlays to be printed by the sticker company, I tried using the Hexagon shaped inlays as an overlabel.

And, I really like the results.
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Now, I have actual shaped inlay over labels. And I think they look great! They use the entire inside surface of the chips, and just barely cover up the THC sized HSI inlay underneath.

So as turns out, a mistake (hexagon shaped stickers) not only looks better, but is actually less work because I don't have to mill them!

Let me know what you think.
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Don't worry about all that time I spent making an RHC sized milling bit being a waste. I'll use it when I make my DiamondJacks 25¢ fracs (coming soon).
 
Milling with a bottom mount router (vs. drill press) has the advantages of precision for milling depth regardless of chip wear condition, but disadvantages of being slower and creating tons of dust.
 
Any side angle shots? Trying to understand how obvious or not the shaped label is vs a circle label.

Looks great btw. Unfortunate (or not) you needed to kill over a rack of chips to land on this.
 
Glad you found a solution.
Looking at this image, I can see the problem:
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It looks like you used a regular router bit and not a bottom-clearing bit. Regular bits are angled, so they cut the outer edges of the hole deeper than the center. That's why you had to go so deep before even the center was touched. Do that on both sides, and you make a hole.

A bottom-clearing bit looks like this, it is perfectly flat on the bottom:
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I bought the 7/8" bit from Magnate and recommend their bits highly.
https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2706

They don't make a 1 1/16" bit (the size of a RHC inlay), but you may have been able to get by with a 1", or ask them if they can make a 1 1/16" bit.
I do realise you found a solution, I'm just posting this for anyone that stumbles on this thread and is thinking along the same lines.

Oh, and use a drill press! :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Any side angle shots? Trying to understand how obvious or not the shaped label is vs a circle label.

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Here's a pic of everything. We got the labels in the back, on the left is a small stack of untouched HSI 1a. Couple more of the new overlabel Jack 1a, and on the right is a stack of overlabel Jack 1a.

I hope these were the angles you were looking for.

FYI: the overlabel stack has no spinners and no gaps.

Looks great btw.
Thanks!

Unfortunate (or not) you needed to kill over a rack of chips to land on this.

It was a learning experience for sure.


Nice! That purple matched up really well!
You did a great job on the design. It's like you're a professional!


i think you should mill out a hexagon shape and put the hexagon stickers inside! I think youre upto the challenge!
Of course!

But no. I can't afford to throw down for a CNC. We can leave shaped milling to Gear. I wish I even have space for a CNC machine in my house.


It looks like you used a regular router bit and not a bottom-clearing bit.

I actually used a bottom cleaning bit. And I also bought from Magnate.

Here's what caused the problems in that photo.

I just went milling too far on one side, and when I flipped, it bore completely through. I actually laughed at how obvious my mistake was after the fact.

On the right chip, I had the speed too high and didn't use enough pressure. Gun shy from boring completely through from the other chip. So the bit was just spinning for a while on the chips. Unbeknownst to me, that constant friction heated the chip up enough to cause it to warp. And that's how it came out.


Not shown were the 137+ other failed attempts. Most of those were trying to figure how to hold the chips while being milled. And then making a jig. Making a different jig. Making a better jig. Then revising the better jig.
 
Those came out really well! That black label looks so much better than the Horseshoe one, and the purple is a great fit.
 
Why do you have to mill them? The label doesn't come off? I thought only hot stamps had to be milled?
 
Why do you have to mill them? The label doesn't come off? I thought only hot stamps had to be milled?
These are inlays compressed into the clay. You can certainly “murder” them by cutting through and removing the inlays, but it’s more effort than just taking off a label. Some people will instead mill a chip to remove an inlay.
 
Why do you have to mill them? The label doesn't come off? I thought only hot stamps had to be milled?
I think he wanted to mill them so that he could put a larger label on. If he only removed the inlay, he would still only have a 7/8” recess. I believe the initial idea was to have a label match the size of the other chips, which are larger.

But you are right…generally, milling is for hotstamps where there is no recess. And you don’t want to remove an inlay with the milling process for a same-sized label…inlay removal is best for that.
However, if the goal is to enlarge the recess, milling over an inlay can be done.
 
Some people will instead mill a chip to remove an inlay.
Although this is true, I wasn't being lazy.... this time.

Why do you have to mill them?
I believe the initial idea was to have a label match the size of the other chips, which are larger.

This is correct. My original idea was to mill the original HSI inlays at THC size (7/8 inch) and mill out a larger recess for the RHC size (1 and 1/16 inch) inlays.

Because having smaller inlays on an RHC chip just looks dumb.... in my opinion.

So I was trying to correct the JC 1s being THC (and having brown) while giving HSI 1As a good reason to exist. (No offense to anyone using HSI 1a as an HSI chip.)
 
Yea the HSI and JC 1’s are weird/unique in their respective sets. I have them both and wondered the same thing you did. Why did they do it this way
 
Yea the HSI and JC 1’s are weird/unique in their respective sets. I have them both and wondered the same thing you did. Why did they do it this way
In the case of the HSI's, that casino opened not too long after the Horseshoe Baltimore.
The Baltimore chip is a THC with a 7/8" inlay, and all higher denoms are RHC with large inlays.
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For whatever reason, when the HSI chips were made, they used the same 7/8" inlay, but instead of a THC mold for the $1, they used the RHC like all the other denoms.
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