Tourney Home MTTs , final table (1 Viewer)

[BGinGA]

Right. I'm talking about which position does the ante in the consolidated formats. I haven't played either format, but if I judge only off who I follow on the twitter machine it seems the BB ante is more preferred and picking up steam compared to the button ante.

Gotcha. I haven't used the BB ante for tournaments, but can see how it is superior to the Button ante. Still too many issues with either consolidated approach to be considered superior to either player-posted antes or no antes at all.

 

[Gameface]

BB ante seems like a huge punishment for the BB, even if not terribly short stacked. I think I would do a lot of shoving UTG, UTG+1 if I was facing a BB ante.

I've never played in a tournament using antes and I really don't like the idea at all.

 

[upNdown]

BB ante seems like a huge punishment for the BB, even if not terribly short stacked. I think I would do a lot of shoving UTG, UTG+1 if I was facing a BB ante.

I've never played in a tournament using antes and I really don't like the idea at all.

Antes separate the men from the boys. You can't just sit around waiting for cards.

 

[Kain8]

Antes separate the men from the boys. You can't just sit around waiting for cards.

Well said. In a non-ante tournament, I can be really patient if I get short and continue to fold. With antes, you have to get in there and fight or you're going to blind out pretty quickly.

 

[Gameface]

Well said. In a non-ante tournament, I can be really patient if I get short and continue to fold. With antes, you have to get in there and fight or you're going to blind out pretty quickly.

Same could be said for an accelerated blind schedule, but people tend to frown on that, as it forces play instead of letting the player pick their spots.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Like Gameface, I'm not a fan of antes. When you are card dead, it is much tougher to pick your spot.

However, they are so common in casino tournaments that you can't pretend that they don't exist.

 

[Mojo1312]

People nit it up more because 7$ of the buy in goes towards a final table at the end of the year. You get points for how you finish, those points determine who gets seats 1-8 and there is a wild card table for places 9-18 with 2 winners going forward.

The problem is players are starting out with 100BB's and there is a 2x jump after 20 minutes. A 5000 chip stack leaves you with 25BB's after the first hour. This format creates a situation where players are going to enter fewer pots and leaves less room for post flop action, hence why there are so many short stacks at the final table. Tweaking the blind structure and increasing the starting stacks to 8000 chips will increase the number of multi player pots and the amount of post flop action, which in turn will quicken the pace at which players are eliminated.

New structure:

25/75
50/100
75/150
100/200
100/200/25
150/300/50
200/400/50
300/600/100
400/800/100
(Break)
600/1200/200
800/1600/200
1100/2200/300
1500/3000/400
2000/4000/500
2500/5000/700
3000/6000/1000
4000/8000/1000
6000/12000/2000

The above structure will increase the length of the tournament by approximately 20 minutes.

Addressing antes: the simplest solution is to have everyone post their antes directly out front of their stacks. Dealers are to deal to the antes and pull them into the pot after the cards have been dealt. No ante, no cards. (Players will catch on quick.)

 

[BGinGA]

Addressing antes: the simplest solution is to have everyone post their antes directly out front of their stacks. Dealers are to deal to the antes and pull them into the pot after the cards have been dealt. No ante, no cards. (Players will catch on quick.)

That violates dealer protocol. The dealer is to shuffle the deck, collect the antes, cut the deck, and deal.

 

[andy699669]

That violates dealer protocol. The dealer is to shuffle the deck, collect the antes, cut the deck, and deal.

No wonder for home tournaments better off without antes as it adds a step for me to deal as I'm doubling as host and dealer.