Cash Game Help with Breakdown for a Weirdo with Weird Needs (1 Viewer)

[btbmason]

I'm planning on developing a CPC custom set with 6 denominations. I am not currently running a home game, so naturally I need custom chips for my house. If/when I do get a game running, I'd like the set to cover the possible outcomes of games at my house. The most likely games that would be spread:

- 5c ante dealer's choice (typically 6 max, no more than 1 table, played with non-poker people, typical biggest bet on any street is 25c)

- Anywhere from 5c/10c to 50c/$1 NL/PL games (typically 6-9 max, no more than 2 tables)

- Point chips for board/card games (this should be easy as less of these are needed, and should be covered in any poker set, typically 8 max, no more than 1 table) - An example where they are needed - Scrabble using poker chips awarded at the end of words being spelled instead of tallying points on my phone/a piece of paper. An example where it's not needed - Monopoly or Life (I have tournament chips I can use for these as more are needed in higher amounts)

The 6 denoms I am looking at are:

5c
25c
$1
$5
$20
$100

The minimum order for 6 denominations is 600 chips. The maximum I'd like to have is 1000 chips, though I could stretch this to 1200 if I absolutely need to. More chips is always better, but if I can get away with less right now I would rather do that given my budget for this set.

Basically what I am looking for: What is the minimum number of chips I need for this setup, and what would be your ideal breakdown for that number?

All help and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance!

 

[detroitdad]

samples?

Is that why you had a wanted add for b mold chips?

 

[btbmason]

samples?

Is that why you had a wanted add for b mold chips?

Yes sir!

I'm going to keep the design as a fun secret/surprise, but I will be ordering enough to distribute sample sets to those who are interested after the chips are received.

I always appreciate help/feedback from the community, but my first priority is making sure I am getting the inlay design for myself and not making a bunch of microadjustments that cater to what others would like to see. Therefore the inlay will be kept under wraps until there's no going back! I may make another thread for colors though as I've been wrestling with that since my CPC color sample set arrived.

 

[David O]

I probably should just PM @BGinGA since he is the man to see for breakdowns and structures, but I always like multiple opinions.

I'm planning on developing a CPC custom set with 6 denominations. I am not currently running a home game, so naturally I need custom chips for my house. If/when I do get a game running, I'd like the set to cover the possible outcomes of games at my house. The most likely games that would be spread:

- 5c ante dealer's choice (typically 6 max, no more than 1 table, played with non-poker people, typical biggest bet on any street is 25c)

- Anywhere from 5c/10c to 50c/$1 NL/PL games (typically 6-9 max, no more than 2 tables)

- Point chips for board/card games (this should be easy as less of these are needed, and should be covered in any poker set, typically 8 max, no more than 1 table) - An example where they are needed - Scrabble using poker chips awarded at the end of words being spelled instead of tallying points on my phone/a piece of paper. An example where it's not needed - Monopoly or Life (I have tournament chips I can use for these as more are needed in higher amounts)

The 6 denoms I am looking at are:

5c
25c
$1
$5
$20
$100

The minimum order for 6 denominations is 600 chips. The maximum I'd like to have is 1000 chips, though I could stretch this to 1200 if I absolutely need to. More chips is always better, but if I can get away with less right now I would rather do that given my budget for this set.

Basically what I am looking for: What is the minimum number of chips I need for this setup, and what would be your ideal breakdown for that number?

All help and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance!

This question is right down @Psypher1000 alley!

 

[Ronoh]

Get buttons made and put me down for 2

 

[David O]

Get buttons made and put me down for 2

I think I still have a button for you. Are you going to Atlanta?

 

[MillyS]

Lol in for a sample set!

 

[courage]

Given the requirements, I'd try this, and it's still less $5's than I'd prefer for 2 tables:

5c - 100
25c - 200
$1 - 200
$5 - 500
$20 - 140
$100 - 60

 

[btbmason]

Given the requirements, I'd try this, and it's still less $5's than I'd prefer for 2 tables:

5c - 100
25c - 200
$1 - 200
$5 - 500
$20 - 140
$100 - 60

If I decided I only needed to cover 1 table of NL/PL, how would you adjust this? It's a little trickier in my mind than just halving everything because the lower denoms may still be needed in higher quantities for lower limits.

 

[Craig D]

The bank breakdown varies depending on how your game plays, so i'm guessing

Chips: 1000 Bank: $7600 or $4400 Players: 15

5cx150 25cx210 $1x240 $5x260 $20x100 $100x40

$100s may not be needed get more $20s if you don't need the $100s

I like a 40-50 chip stating stacks in the small $20 buy in games 15/21/14 or 10/14/16, I do use aluminum cases with chips stored in starting stacks

Larger starting stacks can be made up many different ways

You could get low denomination chips in the normal size, and the $5s up oversized

Have Fun

 

[btbmason]

$100s may not be needed get more $20s if you don't need the $100s

You could get low denomination chips in the normal size, and the $5s up oversized

Thank you for your input!

I do want to have $100s either way, moreso for the point chips in board/card games but also just to have a baller high denom chip that will probably never see play

All chips will be the same size as CPC only offers 44mm/oversized chips in Scroll and A molds, neither of which are a candidate for this set.

 

[courage]

If I decided I only needed to cover 1 table of NL/PL, how would you adjust this? It's a little trickier in my mind than just halving everything because the lower denoms may still be needed in higher quantities for lower limits.

I'd reduce to 300 $5's in that case. Reluctantly.

 

[btbmason]

I'd reduce to 300 $5's in that case. Reluctantly.

1200 is my reluctant max, so I'm trying to find ways to make an order for less chips than that if I can. Realistically it's going to take me a while to build up a player base to run 2 tables at higher limits, but I'm trying to prepare in case it happens.

I see non-friend/family games probably starting at 10c/25c, and it's a big jump to 50c/$1 when you start there.

Greatly appreciate the input!

 

[MucksAlot888]

Just curious how often do you use $.05 in home games? The ASM's i just bought havent been used yet

 

[Psypher1000]

Sounds like your group matches a lot of what we spread & use the chips for. Here's my recommendations, using the following assumptions:

- You won't actually have 2 tables of 50c/$1 NL/PL (per your comment/question above)
- Micro- and Low-limit games won't be in play at the same time

Minimums:
200x 25c
200x $1
300x $5
100x $25
100x Non-denom (to play as either 5c or $100, depending on the limits being played)


Minimums with everything denominated:
100x 5c
200x 25c
300x $1
300x $5
60x $25
40x $100


Preferred with everything denominated, 1200 max:
200x 5c
200x 25c
300x $1
400x $5
60x $25
40x $100

These breakdowns provide a minimum of $5500 in bank in your top two denoms, sufficient for 27 $200 buy-ins in a full-ring NL game of 50c/$1. Add in some of the $5's which will already be in play and you'll have 30+ buy-ins. That should be more than enough.

Some folks will argue against 200 5c chips, and their argument is reasonable. Ultimately how many chips you have of your lowest fractional denom depends on your game, your limits, your crew, the number of players, and how they bet. If the biggest bet in any given street in your microstakes game is usually 25c, then a bet of 15c-20c per player per street adds up to quite a few nickles pretty quickly. For that reason, my personal preference is to have at least 120 of my lowest frac, and preferably 200. Less making change, more chips, blah blah blah. If you choose not to go that route and just want 100 of the lowest frac (particularly since each 5c chip might cost more than 40x face value depending on your spot/color selections), I completely understand. Move those extra 100 chips into whatever workhorse chip you use that sees the most play - OR - the next highest denom in order to give your set a little extra longevity & room to expand for economic inflation as the stakes you play at inevitably increase.

 

[courage]

1200 is my reluctant max, so I'm trying to find ways to make an order for less chips than that if I can. Realistically it's going to take me a while to build up a player base to run 2 tables at higher limits, but I'm trying to prepare in case it happens.

I see non-friend/family games probably starting at 10c/25c, and it's a big jump to 50c/$1 when you start there.

Greatly appreciate the input!

Totally understand that, but after several add-ons to sets I've discovered it sucks to have fewer chips and not be able to run a desired game. I'd rather have fewer but larger sets.

 

[Psypher1000]

Just curious how often do you use $.05 in home games?

80% of the games I host use a nickle chip; I host every 4-8 weeks.

 

[btbmason]

Just curious how often do you use $.05 in home games? The ASM's i just bought havent been used yet

The nickel will be my most used chip in poker games. My in-laws like to play for nickels/dimes/quarters and I will host that particular game more than any of the others, unless I fall into a bunch of friends in this area very quickly.

 

[Ronoh]

Really need a better idea of what chips will be used for what and how big or small your .50/1 games run.

Initially I'd have said 20 $100s is more than enough but you want them for other things as well.

Being you don't know exactly what you want, instead of knocking it out in one fell swoop figure out an order for 800. If it turns out it's not enough you'll have a good idea of where to expand with the other 200-400 chips.

 

[Craig D]

Remember with chip breakdowns, provided it is playable, can never be wrong...

Some really smart people posting here, but in the end get whatever breakdown makes you happy

Have Fun

 

[MucksAlot888]

I thought it would be my most used chip as well.. Thats why i jumped on a micro cash set. Maybe its just laziness with counting up all of those nickels.

 

[MucksAlot888]

Surely the spa treatment is done after these cash games correct ?

 

[Jambine]

ok I'll just put it out there:

200x 25c
300x $1
300x $5
200x $20 or $25
200x Non-Denom.....wait, don't shout. You can thank me later

 

[Craig D]

I thought it would be my most used chip as well.. Thats why i jumped on a micro cash set. Maybe its just laziness with counting up all of those nickels.

For us the third lowest chip in play is required the most, we use 10c 50c $1 chips with $20 plaques, and have over 500 $1s

I imagine this is the case for most games, the exception to this is a game using $1s, $5s $25s, in this case normally the $5 is use the most

Because the OP wants to play 5c-10c to 50c-$1 big bet games either the $1 or $5 could be used the most

More experienced player are fine with a few chips in there stack, newer players like mountains of chips, I am more than happy to get mountains of chips in play to encourage the newer players

Have Fun

 

[btbmason]

Sounds like your group matches a lot of what we spread & use the chips for. Here's my recommendations, using the following assumptions:

- You won't actually have 2 tables of 50c/$1 NL/PL (per your comment/question above)
- Micro- and Low-limit games won't be in play at the same time

These are both true assumptions, wishful thinking/future planning in the OP.

Minimums with everything denominated:
100x 5c
200x 25c
300x $1
300x $5
60x $25
40x $100

This is actually pretty close to what I was thinking before I started this thread. The main difference will be that I just prefer a $20 chip over a $25 chip. This will cost me $300 in the bank with this breakdown, but it's just how I want to do it and I'm stubborn. I'm also stubborn enough to insist that all chips are denominated, even though it would probably work better with a flexible non-denom chip.

Preferred with everything denominated, 1200 max:
200x 5c
200x 25c
300x $1
400x $5
60x $25
40x $100

I have a feeling I shouldn't have put the 1200 number in the OP : This is getting expensive!

If you choose not to go that route and just want 100 of the lowest frac (particularly since each 5c chip might cost more than 40x face value depending on your spot/color selections), I completely understand. Move those extra 100 chips into whatever workhorse chip you use that sees the most play - OR - the next highest denom in order to give your set a little extra longevity & room to expand for economic inflation as the stakes you play at inevitably increase.

I do think I'll probably do no more than 100 (or maybe 120) of the nickel. The cost per chip will (most likely) be uniform across the entire set as I am leaning towards solids, so that isn't really a factor in my decision.

 

[upNdown]

So, kind of staying on topic, is there a consensus here about what the workhorse chip is in a .05/.10 game? I guess it would be either the quarter or the dollar? Or kind of a mix of both, depending on the crowd?

 

[Psypher1000]

100x Non-denom (to play as either 5c or $100, depending on the limits being played)

200x Non-Denom.....wait, don't shout. You can thank me later

I'm just going to reiterate here...I think there's a lot of value to be gained in using a non-denom in this set as long as it won't tilt you personally. It gives you all the bank in the world, allows for a full rack of $20's or $25's if you want that, and keeps you from paying way over face value per chip for nickles.

 

[detroitdad]

So, kind of staying on topic, is there a consensus here about what the workhorse chip is in a .05/.10 game? I guess it would be either the quarter or the dollar? Or kind of a mix of both, depending on the crowd?

I've never played it. Just guessing that it would be the quarter chip.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Preferred with everything denominated, 1200 max:
200x 5c
200x 25c
300x $1
400x $5
60x $25
40x $100

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This my suggestion as well, not sure what nickel games you guys are playing. My wife's family exclusively plays 5c 7 card stud, I have 300 nickels and they all typically get in play with about 3 barrels of quarters and a handful of $1's for 7-8 players. The nickels are really the only denom used for betting in this game, 25c bet will only get one caller typically just to see if you have it. If this sounds like your game then a I highly suggest another rack of nickels, or as stated get 3 racks of non denoms and lose the hundos

 

[RowdyRawhide]

So, kind of staying on topic, is there a consensus here about what the workhorse chip is in a .05/.10 game? I guess it would be either the quarter or the dollar? Or kind of a mix of both, depending on the crowd?

I would say depends on the crowd....see my post above