Cash Game Help with 5c/10c Custom cash set (1 Viewer)

[FearlessFred]

Hi all

I'm almost ready to place an order for my first nice chip set with a group buy. Looking at web mold Binions as the front runners (samples pending).

My group plays 5c/10c with a max buyin of $10 NHLE (well £/p but to keep things simple), currently 6 players but will play up to 8 in the future.
Only had a couple of sessions but no-one has bought yet for more than 20. Chips have certainly got in the middle but noone is getting in all in pre, there's lots of limping and basically no 3betting.

Everyone seems happy with the stakes and I really can't see a need to cover anything bigger, we're all happy to play for beer money and nothing more amongst friends.

My proposed set is as follows (must be in purchased in 25s):

125x 5c
150x 25c
100x $1
25x $5

That gives a bank of $268.75 which is more than 3 buyins per player.

Starting stacks would be 15/17/5 for 8 players or 20/20/4 for 6. Lots of chips to keep the bets flowing and the limp folders happy.

Any thoughts?

--------EDIT (see comments)

After some chatter i'm now considering custom labels for the following:

100x 10p
200x 50p
100x £2

all the fracs will get into play after 11x100bb buyins, £2s for rebuys, £10 notes would play if ever required

Inspiration is coming from images of various old London casino chips

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Welcome! Great idea, we play for similar stakes in most of my games. Personally at 5c/10c, I wanted more 25c, they're my workhorse when buying in for $5 or $10. With the chips being so cheap, I grabbed way too many; nickels don't all get used or they're cumbersome, but I definitely prefer giving a full 10 man table a barrel of quarters, and rebuys in $1/$5s. Their starting stacks dont have to be the same but makes it easy on me as a host with cheap chips.

I know you said 8 or 6, but plan for 10, would be a pain to order a big set, get them shipped over, and not be able to run a game how you want to because you didn't think you'd have 10 people. And your bank is pretty low even for 8 people; so you have a holiday game and everyone buys in for $20 instead, all of a sudden you can't handle 1 rebuy per person.

My overkill:
5c x 200
25c x 250
1 x 200
5 x 100

....plus some $20s and $100s, lol. I haven't used my whole bank, but on a few of our looser nights we would've broken your bank.

Little extra to yours:
5c x 125
25c x 200
$1 x 150
$5 x 75

Thats 550 chips, more than you proposed but makes hosting easier and triples your bank. If you'd like, you can cut 50 of the 25c, keep it at 500.

 

[Fran]

I also play 15/17/x
Looks playable to me for a 6-max however could be short for more players …

 

[FearlessFred]

I should have clarified. We're currently playing 6 handed because of space limitations. I'm going to buy a larger table topper which should seat 8, 9 at a push, not a chance 10.

I could perhaps go up to 500 chips but am trying to keep things very reasonable.

I might go for 125, 150, 150, 75 in that case

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

That works great! Triples your bank. I was in your shoes and figured I would never run a game more than $10 per person, but in a few years my players now buyin at least once for $20. Your mileage may vary, but the chips are going to be great regardless. Enjoy!

 

[Tonystark137]

For my 5C/10C game with $20 max buy in; I do 10/18/15.

Break out looks ok ; maybe a big more frac if you see it going to 8 handed.

My overkill right now: but I do see the game going up to 10c/20c or 25c/25c.

5c x 200
25c x 200
1 x 200
5 x 200

 

[springbox]

If the price difference between 400 and 500 isn't too significant to you, I'd get the 500 because it may be a hassle to get the last 100 if you decide it's not enough. On the other hand, if you really don't want to do 500 I think you can get by just fine at those stakes with the 400 chips you laid out. You always have the option of playing with actual bank notes, if someone needs to rebuy and you're out of chips they can use a £10 or £20.

 

[Colquhoun]

For my 5C/10C game with $20 max buy in; I do 10/18/15.

Break out looks ok ; maybe a big more frac if you see it going to 8 handed.

My overkill right now: but I do see the game going up to 10c/20c or 25c/25c.

5c x 200
25c x 200
1 x 200
5 x 200

As much as I like more chips, 200 5c seems way too many. I say that because I think a 5c chip is only appropriate for 5c/10c game. A 10c/20c should really be a 25c/25c, because they play almost identically.

 

[Tonystark137]

As much as I like more chips, 200 5c seems way too many. I say that because I think a 5c chip is only appropriate for 5c/10c game. A 10c/20c should really be a 25c/25c, because they play almost identically.

Only 80~ of the 5c see play the extra rack is really just to balance the case weight at this point.

 

[Colquhoun]

Only 80~ of the 5c see play the extra rack is really just to balance the case weight at this point.

I love it! Buying more chips as ballast.

 

[Santa123]

I think your breakdown works. I prefer racks thats why I would suggest 100/200/100 for 5c/25c/$1 and use cash if your bank should be too small.

 

[LeLe]

100/200/100 for 5c/25c/$1

I like this plus another 25 x $25 for good measurement only if you foreseen your game will not grow at least for the next few years

If you expecting the game to grow, 25/25c will be the next stake to plan into the breakdown.

100x 5c
200x 25c
200x $1
75-100 x $5
25 x $25

 

[FearlessFred]

I like this plus another 25 x $25 for good measurement only if you foreseen your game will not grow at least for the next few years

If you expecting the game to grow, 25/25c will be the next stake to plan into the breakdown.

100x 5c
200x 25c
200x $1
75-100 x $5
25 x $25

this is 600 chips, doesn't cover my limper crowd and we definitely won't play 25c/25c, 100bb 5c/10c is already seeing people tap out after two feltings.
(though i appreciate your input generally)

 

[FearlessFred]

If the price difference between 400 and 500 isn't too significant to you, I'd get the 500 because it may be a hassle to get the last 100 if you decide it's not enough. On the other hand, if you really don't want to do 500 I think you can get by just fine at those stakes with the 400 chips you laid out. You always have the option of playing with actual bank notes, if someone needs to rebuy and you're out of chips they can use a £10 or £20.

The difference is fine really it's just i'm justifying a number of what if scenarios. what if we play 9 handed and suddenly double the buyin and everyone goes crazy overnight.

I may just go with the 500 because the main extra cost is shipping to UK

 

[JustinInMN]

125x 5c
150x 25c
100x $1
25x $5

You want fewer 5c and more 25c at this stake, I would suggestion 100/200/75/25 if you are keeping it to 400. (Which is fine so long as you don't anticipate your stakes going up.) That still gives you a bank of 255, more than enough to cover 25 buy-ins at 100BB. You will almost never need fives at this stake as it is. If you can make it 500, I like 100/200/150/50 that would yield a bank of 455 which is more than enough for your current stake and gives some upward flexibility.

 

[FearlessFred]

You want fewer 5c and more 25c at this stake, I would suggestion 100/200/75/25 if you are keeping it to 400. (Which is fine so long as you don't anticipate your stakes going up.) That still gives you a bank of 255, more than enough to cover 25 buy-ins at 100BB. You will almost never need fives at this stake as it is. If you can make it 500, I like 100/200/150/50 that would yield a bank of 455 which is more than enough for your current stake and gives some upward flexibility.

I could be tempted by this breakdown though I fear it doesn't suit my group. There is a lot of limping and almost no 3betting so players require a more than normal amount of 5c and fewer 25s. How would you buyin a table of 8 with your suggested breakdown?

Perhaps a curve ball but is there any merit in going to a 10p/50p/£2/£10 breakdown? (these are all coins + notes in the UK) I see people suggest 25c/25c over 10/25 perhaps on the same grounds. It would obviously require some custom chips but that might be possible

 

[springbox]

With 100 5c and 200 25c you do 10/18/5. That's my usual buy in for players, I used to have more 5c but managed to teach people the oversize chip call. That and 2~3 players started raising pre often enough that people learned to stop limping. Nothing wrong with 15/17/5 though, do what your players like. And 25 extra 5c chips isn't the end of the world anyways.

10c/50c/$2/$10 works just fine too. You can play 10c/10c or 10c/20c. You'll get more bank with fewer chips. If you play 10c/10c you really don't need more than 10 fracs per player, limping is only one chip. You can also mix and go 10c/50c/$1/$5, in which case you'll need fewer 50c chips since you'll never need more than 1 to make a bet, but have slightly less bank. As you noted, the problem is finding a design that's 10c or $2.

 

[JustinInMN]

I could be tempted by this breakdown though I fear it doesn't suit my group. There is a lot of limping and almost no 3betting so players require a more than normal amount of 5c and fewer 25s. How would you buyin a table of 8 with your suggested breakdown?

Perhaps a curve ball but is there any merit in going to a 10p/50p/£2/£10 breakdown? (these are all coins + notes in the UK) I see people suggest 25c/25c over 10/25 perhaps on the same grounds. It would obviously require some custom chips but that might be possible

I actually did 10¢/50¢/1 for my customs. I also did a post about testing this concept too.

To your buy in question. 8 handed, dividing 100 chips will come to about 12 per player. Even if limp heavy, this will work pretty well. As for construction of stacks, I would do one of the following.

Option 1.
10 stacks of 10/18/5, 11th and 12th stacks are 0/20/5, remaining stacks in singles.

Option 2
5 stacks of 20/20/4, (remaining players can get change from what's on the table) next five stacks are 0/20/5, everyone else in singles after that.

I do have a preference or whole racks in the bank, makes it easier to track chips, and also, I do favor fewer smaller denomination chips as they do become a liability when counting stacks, which is especially important in NL.

I don't think 125 is that bad either, but I think after the first round of betting, most wagers will be in terms of quarters or quarters and dollars for the remaining 3 streets, so especially since you are trying to do this on 400 chips, I would play it tight with the 5c denom.

Hope this helps explain my advice. Whatever you get I hope it works well.

 

[FearlessFred]

ah i shouldn't have asked! I've just sold myself on the following: (pending comments)

100x 10p
200x 50p
100x £2

£310 bank covers 3x£10x10players

That gives up to 10 players 10/18 starting stacks, first rebuy gets the remaining 20x50p's on the table. FULL RACKS. Furthur rebuys in £2 and then £10 notes play if we ever get there.

I love the idea of 2 demons in play for most the game too, it feels very "cash game."

Thoughts?

 

[JustinInMN]

I love the idea of 2 demons in play for most the game too, it feels very "cash game."

Two denoms in the best, it's the fastest way to count all in stacks. Three denoms is doable as well, going for four or more gets tough, but is a necessary evil for some tournament structures where stakes change with each level.

 

[4SUMERZ]

I think your breakdown is OK. I'm with the crowd that mentions using less 5 cent chips, and more 25 cent chips when making your $10 starting stack.
Good Luck with your game.

 

[allforcharity]

I would consider getting a 500-chip set and load up on more $1 because eventually your game will grow in stakes eventually.