That would be called a straddle, not a blind.
Cash Game Hands Per Hour (2 Viewers)
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rustycheerio
Flush
this is greatly effected by the players at the table, who is paying attention, etc.
good dealer with fast players should be getting 35ish /hr+
good dealer with fast players should be getting 35ish /hr+
LeLe
4 of a Kind
If it anything like antes only short deck, there’s going to be a lot of All in pre flop for stack size below 100bb
Will make a concerted effort to track # of hands/hr this Thursday!
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
I think that's a little optimistic unless we are talking short-handed limit play. I just can't see a full NL cash game going much faster than 20-22 hands an hour.
rustycheerio
Flush
yes. optimistic.
limit this is not possible there's always atleast 2 very slow players you'd probably top out at 1 hand every 2 minutes... at the quickest.
but with a table full of competent players, and a competent dealer, it's very possible to get a hand every minute and 15 seconds, minute thirty.
OfficerLovejoy
Full House
I never understood why a casino or anyone would allow a button straddle with the blinds being forced to act first.
I mean, if you're UTG and feel like upping the stakes go ahead and straddle. I don't mind.
But if you're already in the most profitable spot in the game and now you get to decide that I, the small or big blind, in the worst spot in the game all of a sudden have to act first on top of my already sucky spot for the rest of the hand when I had to put money in blind...
No sir, that is just bullshit.
Tldr: You do you but you don't get to decide when I in the sb/bb have to act.
He is actually saying, Straddle on the button and no blinds, UTG would then be the typical SB (but they don't post a blind)
The only thing I don't like about this is (at least the games I play in), most of the time a game that has evolved to this setup, has previously allowed a Mississippi straddle, and by straddling the button, you lose the straddle in other positions. In the game I frequent, you can re-straddle only under the gun, so the previous SB. People do re and re-re straddle, sucks when the straddler post 15, then 45, then 90 which happens.
OfficerLovejoy
Full House
Edit: oh I get it now. Pure antes, even the straddle is an ante and no blinds.
Kinda weird but whatever floats your boat.
So an Ante is just dead money with no tie to action, straddle means (at least) 2x the BB, and action always starts to the left of the posted straddle.
If I Ante 50 bucks on the button (which is a thing) then that money is dead, and the 'bring in' is a new cost for me, meaning if the blinds are 2/5/ button ante 50 with a $10 bring in, then the SB is 2, the BB is 5, and the button antes 50 and when the action comes around to the button, they have to call at least ANOTHER $10.
There is a local place that runs a 5/10 with a 50 button ante, so if there is a raise to 25 preflop the button has to call 25.
I agree. I’ve always considered 30 hands per hour to be the upper limit of a full ring no limit game, but even that is hard to reach.
Part of me wants to count hands at my game this week, but I know I’ll forget after about two hands.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Count orbits and remember where the button started. That will at least get you close.
count orbits, set a watch timer?
grandmeme
3 of a Kind
Eh, I guess you could say it's my revenge for the guys wanting to play short deck/hold'em. I want to switch things up a little and have some different action. Some guys also wanna try playing really deep stacked for this game so why not, let's give it a go.
Taxi500
Two Pair
God speed - Let us know! Hoping that $750 I spent was worth something...
They've gone up in price lately but I would buy another one in a second if mine blew up!
Background:
We have a pretty talkative group.
Music & alcohol are definitely involved as well.
# of hands from last night NOT included breaks:
1st Hour 7 Players = 22
2nd Hour 7 Players = 21
3rd Hour 7 Players = 21
4th Hour 7 Players = 23
5th Hour 6 Players = 25
Only 1 hand went went fast enough to have to wait for the Shuffletech to finish its 7 shuffle cycle. Maybe a 3 second wait?
I'm not going to do it but I feel like now I need to have the same 7 people over next week WITHOUT the ST1000 & track the # of hands to see the advantage.
(ALSO thought I would note: exactly 1 jam in 5+ hours which took approx 2 seconds to fix)
We have a pretty talkative group.
Music & alcohol are definitely involved as well.
# of hands from last night NOT included breaks:
1st Hour 7 Players = 22
2nd Hour 7 Players = 21
3rd Hour 7 Players = 21
4th Hour 7 Players = 23
5th Hour 6 Players = 25
Only 1 hand went went fast enough to have to wait for the Shuffletech to finish its 7 shuffle cycle. Maybe a 3 second wait?
I'm not going to do it but I feel like now I need to have the same 7 people over next week WITHOUT the ST1000 & track the # of hands to see the advantage.
(ALSO thought I would note: exactly 1 jam in 5+ hours which took approx 2 seconds to fix)
Taxi500
Two Pair
Thank you for doing this!! My group is the same way. Beer is second only to poker. Without the ST1000 even though the hands were played it didn't mean our guy actually shuffled. About 1-2x per orbit we'd catch a guy who didn't shuffle and then scrambles to throw the cards around a bit. Next thing you know quad 4's get delt twice in a row and I buy an ST1000
So, even if the ST1000 didn't make a sizable difference in HPH I feel like at the least you know a proper shuffle occurred.
hex
Pair
10 handed and with circus games the average is around 24 hands per hour, but the circus games every hour completely slows the game down and I hate it and usually just walk away when its happening, but other players love it cause of the gamble.
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
30 is pretty typical. When I was a poker room manager, if a dealer was averaging fewer than 25, they were going to hear about it. If they were averaging 35+, they were rewarded by being scheduled for the best shifts.
We had one guy who averaged over 40 and who would occasionally do 45 or so. He was constantly rubbing his nose for some reason though.
We had one guy who averaged over 40 and who would occasionally do 45 or so. He was constantly rubbing his nose for some reason though.
hex
Pair
on the ST1000 a guy who used to host had one of those, it was used once and only once, it was loud and the door kept popping up on the table which made it even more annoying.
Have they fixed how loud the shuffler is, the plastic top was annoying.
Like with winning and losing sessions, poker players are going to overcount their fast rounds and undercount their slow rounds.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Even with no-limit play, dealers are expected to do 25 hands and hour?
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
Ya, it's slower than limit, but any good dealer should have no problems getting in 25. If they're not, then they're not moving the game along. You can't allow people to sit there any Hollywood every hand. You have to move the action. Unless it's high stakes, then that's different. But even an Omaha Hi Lo dealer should be able to get in 25 hands per hour.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Well yeah, omaha is mechanically the same as hold' other than double.the hold cards. So 20 seconds to pitch instead of 10?
I just think NL is slow, but I suppose, if I think we're doing 22-24/hr in my home game, a center dealt game could be 25.
My experience playing $1/$3 and $2/$5 NLHE at casinos is 27 to 30 hands an hour. Seems like that changes with tournaments, with slightly fewer hands being played per hour.
I have recently begun playing in an underground PLO8 game with built in shufflers like the casino that sits 10 max.
The blinds are $1/$2 with a $5 rock. The dealer is efficient, but there are definitely fewer hands played in the run of an hour, due in large part to players deciding whether to call or fold when faced with a pot size bet after the flop, turn or river, especially in multi way pots with players left to act.
I will start tracking the number of hands and report back.
Picture from last night's game.
The tall stack in front of the dealer is what is in the pot. The $105 stack across the betting line is from the player to Hero's left.
Just wrapped up. I forgot to count. But I’ll just add that as much as a shuffletech can help some games, for a self-dealt game, working with two decks is just as fast. At least for the first few hours before people have had a few whatevers.
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
No, the entire game moves much slower than holdem. You have some players going for high, some for low, and some for both. It's a very action heavy game with a lot of raising, and it's usually multiway action. Also, it takes more time to read hands at showdown since each player has 6 holdem combos to read plus whatever low hands they make. If you get 5 players at showdown with a low on board, the dealer has to read the equivalent of about 40 poker hands to determine the winners. Then they also have to physically split the pot up. The entire game takes almost twice as long, on average, as limit holdem, and about 50% longer than NL.
LeLe
4 of a Kind
We are playing bomb pot about on average every 15.5min 7 handed (which is 1 orbit plus 1 hand) on average yesterday so we have an average of 31 hands per hour for a 8 handed table
Which is more than what I felt I am playing, i guessed I am playing around 24-26 per hand session
Which is more than what I felt I am playing, i guessed I am playing around 24-26 per hand session
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