Fleur De Lis Paulsons? (1 Viewer)

[Hairy_Crocodile]

Hey all!

I'm new to the world of chips, especially Paulson chips, and was wondering if anyone could help guide me in the right direction to find info to learn more about them.

More specifically, I'd really like to know more about the Paulson chips with the fleur de lis on them. I may step on a few toes for saying it, but I think alot of poker chips are ugly, and these are some of the few Paulsons I've found and liked aesthetically.

Were these made for a random home buyer when Paulson still sold to regular people? Were these a special set? I dont know much about much about this manufacturer, so I'm excited to spend a chunk of my day researching these chips. Are they real? Are they reproductions or fakes?

(And if anyone knows where I can buy some of these, drop me a pm please they look interesting enough to possibly get me to cave and buy Paulson chips)

 

[allforcharity]

Speculation: These were probably made as a generic roulette chip. It could have been made for a casino. It could have been made for the masses. I had a bunch of THC generic inlaid roulettes at one time, with a plain white inlay like this and just the words "ROULETTE" and a number or table designation in plain block text.

 

[rowlin]

Cool chips! Thank you for sharing shots of them.

Some old Hat & Cane chips were made by a company called Christy and Jones. I am not sure if these are from that era, but am nearly certain that someone here will be able to tell by looking at them.

There may be good info to be found searching for threads about C&J, or old THC chips, or the like.

I am excited to hear more about these.

 

[allforcharity]

I don't think these are C&J. Bottom left chip is a SCV for sure, which precludes that.

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

Are these chips good finds? I got 11 of them
Orange, blue, pink and yellow ones.

They really intrigued me, they kept grabbing my attention

I can post more pictures in a few minutes

 

[mtl mile end]

To repeat @allforcharity , I'd guess roulettes and Paulson.

I cannot remember (following a search of my drug and alcohol soaked memory banks) ever hearing of an inlaid Home Paulson. From the photos, these are colour matched inlaid Paulsons on both the LCV and SCV molds.

Also from the pictures, these are not Christy and Jones, Home Market, nor Die Cut.

You should check both sides of each chip to verify that all the Peach are SCV and all the others are LCV on both sides. For reference, top is Short Cane Version, bottom is Long Cane Version:

 

[allforcharity]

Are these chips good finds? I got 11 of them
Orange, blue, pink and yellow ones.

They really intrigued me, they kept grabbing my attention

I can post more pictures in a few minutes

They are as "good" as any other solid THC find. I'm 99% sure that these are leaded, too, because I'd guess they are from the 1980s.

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

All of these are on the mail as we speak, I can take love photos when they get here.

 

[Marius L]

I have some of these as well. No clue on their history, but would assume they are something generic, like roulette chips. I have just a few fleur de lis, but more with other symbols.

One of the Paulson resources here on PCF shows several different generic symbols that can be used as inlay or hotstamp designs for roulette chips. Although they are not identical to the chips in this thread, I figure they are just updated more modern versions.

Here's some pictures of mine. They seem to match yours. Peaches are even the same color. They seem somewhat old. Not C&J. Textured inlay, could be leaded, but I haven't weighted them, so not sure.

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

I am so glad I made this post, I'm learning so much already. I would agree that they seem to be generic roulette chips, I really like the comparison photos. Are these fleur de lis chips part of the set you own?

I need to learn about how to use this forum better, I had no idea there were resources like that....that embarrassing, my apologies, but I'm happy I know that exist and I can go down the rabbit hole learning about these chips without bothering other members now.

 

[Marius L]

I am so glad I made this post, I'm learning so much already. I would agree that they seem to be generic roulette chips, I really like the comparison photos. Are these fleur de lis chips part of the set you own?

I need to learn about how to use this forum better, I had no idea there were resources like that....that embarrassing, my apologies, but I'm happy I know that exist and I can go down the rabbit hole learning about these chips without bothering other members now.

No need to apologize. Asking and learning is a big part of a forum, right? The resources section is easy to miss when just starting out. And while there is a lot of good info there, it's also pretty limited compared to the insight of many of the forum members we have here.

Happy to help, although I don't know much about these chips myself. I got these chips in a random lot on eBay a year or two ago. Not a part of a set unfortunately, as it's just about 20 peach and about 80 colon orange chips.

 

[BGinGA]

Most likely generic chips made by Paulson, similar to their other generic inlay roulette chips. The colors are the best indicator.

I don't think these are C&J. Bottom left chip is a SCV for sure, which precludes that.

Burt Co. produced both SCV and LCV mold chips for Paulson, although I don't think the OP's chips were (based on colors).

 

[CrazyEddie]

These kinds of symbols are pretty common on pre-Paulson chips, which are generally known as "Paranoid" chips. They're a lot less common on Paulsons; my uninformed speculation is that chips like you've found represent a kind of transition period in the history of poker chips - when Paulson was starting to make inroads in the growing market for casino chips, but was still making chips based on the older designs for chips for the home market or for less commercialized private clubs.

Here's a thread with a lot of information (and speculation!) about Paranoid symbol chips: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/help-for-identify-an-old-roulette-wheelcheck-set.61887/

And here's a post within that thread showing my Paulson symbol chip. I'm on the lookout to acquire more, so I'm encouraged to hear that you found some as well! https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...d-roulette-wheelcheck-set.61887/#post-1222085

Welcome to the forum!

 

[CrazyEddie]

my apologies, but I'm happy I know that exist and I can go down the rabbit hole learning about these chips without bothering other members now.

Please bother other members! There's nobody on here that knows everything, and we all benefit when we see each other's questions and answers.

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

Please bother other members! There's nobody on here that knows everything, and we all benefit when we see each other's questions and answers.

I just wanna be sure I do as much research myself asi can before I post to eliminate as many redundant threads as possible.

I'll still be bothering y'all a lot, I just wanna do it less often

 

[Jeff in Iowa]

Burt Co. produced both SCV and LCV mold chips for Paulson, although I don't think the OP's chips were (based on colors).

I don't think that the Burt Co. ever produced SCV THC chips. There are about fifty Paul-son/Burt order cards uploaded to the ChipGuide and all of them are LCV THC chips. As far as I can tell, by studying dates for SCV chips in the ChipRack, Paul-Son started to produce them around 1977, possibly 1976.

 

[BGinGA]

I don't think that the Burt Co. ever produced SCV THC chips. There are about fifty Paul-son/Burt order cards uploaded to the ChipGuide and all of them are LCV THC chips. As far as I can tell, by studying dates for SCV chips in the ChipRack, Paul-Son started to produce them around 1977, possibly 1976.

That's what I initially thought too, until somebody recently posted evidence that Burt Co. produced both mold styles for Paulson, likely even after Paulson was making chips in-house (starting around 1975).

 

[GianThaMan]

That's what I initially thought too, until somebody recently posted evidence that Burt Co. produced both mold styles for Paulson, likely even after Paulson was making chips in-house (starting around 1975).

Do you have a link for that? I searched around and couldn’t find anything.

 

[Jeff in Iowa]

That's what I initially thought too, until somebody recently posted evidence that Burt Co. produced both mold styles for Paulson, likely even after Paulson was making chips in-house (starting around 1975).

Do you have a link for that? I searched around and couldn’t find anything.

What I think BGinGA might be referring to is in this thread; https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/christy-jones-thc-v-paulson-thc.59855/

Post #30 has links to a discussion about this on the ChipBoard, but the links appear to be dead. Here is another link that should work; http://www.thechipboard.com/archive...-did-paul-son-start-manufacturing-th-c-chips/

The information in that link however is not exactly accurate. BGinGA, if you are referring to something else, please correct me.

 

[BGinGA]

I stand by my recent assertions for THC mold chips.

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

Just got them in today, they are my first Clays ever and they are incredible. I'm wondering how common they are, Im wondering if these are the chips I wanna collect for my non denominated travel set

 

[allforcharity]

Just got them in today, they are my first Clays ever and they are incredible. I'm wondering how common they are, Im wondering if these are the chips I wanna collect for my non denominated travel set

Who knows? At one point, they might have been quite common. But in 3 years on the forum, I've seen very few examples of inlaid THC solids/roulettes for sale or trade here. It would be easier to get yourself some condition-matched THC hot stamped solids that you like, and semi-customize them by milling and adding a good quality label.

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

Who knows? At one point, they might have been quite common. But in 3 years on the forum, I've seen very few examples of inlaid THC solids/roulettes for sale or trade here. It would be easier to get yourself some condition-matched THC hot stamped solids that you like, and semi-customize them by milling and adding a good quality label.

Welp shit, looks like I have a collector's project now for this hobby already...

I'll consider other customizing options for an expedited set of usable clays in the short term (or even order CPC), but I love these so much that I really think this may be the thing I collect on the side as a "grail project"

 

[greedyintern]

So I went from just joining this forum last month, knowing absolutely nothing and learning about what Paulson chips are, to finding these chips tonight!

Has anyone learned anything more about these in the past 3 years??

I've read this whole post along with the other post that was linked talking about paranoid chips. It's all really interesting!

@Hairy_Crocodile @CrazyEddie
@Marius L

 

[allforcharity]

These are probably traditional inlaid THC chips using a graphic that duplicates old die-cut paranoid designs and using colour matching to the base chip. Definitely an interesting collectors item.