First Copag 1546 and now Modiano Platinum Acetate, cards too slippery! ADVISE?

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Hi gang, I have a small game of 10-16 different players different skill levels, so I decided to start with copags, just because they are readily available and cost effective for a plastic card. I do like them a bunch but some of my players even those who have played card for a while had cards constantly slip out of their hands.

Long story short i did some homework and came up with Modinaos acetate to try and alleviate that problem, which i just received today and really love how they feel and look ( security ink and whiter card stock ) than the copags. But here is the thing. I find them to be more slippery than the copags even I, cant seem to shuffle them properly without making a mess of things every other shuffle and the cards refuse to stay on top of each other when stacked more than 5 high they just do the Sliiiiiide. Forget about the top cards staying on top of the deck when put down to cut. also the Modianos i thought would feel much thicker and they flex better than the copags in my hands. Overall it just left me confused as to what i have read from others.

Its this just the new plastic card dance? or should i be looking for something other than these two brands. The prestige cards don't seem to have this problem,but feel so very stiff and the jumbo pip version only comes in odd colors, my wife doesn't like them at all. Even though I like the way the Modiano's come together I can already see cards being dropped everywhere during the shuffles and cutting.

Some advise, on personal experience perhaps can shine some light. I know we all have a preference in cards but I'm trying to solve a specific problem. Is it the humidity in south florida? I've read that can be a factor maybe?

I need/want a THICK feeling card with good flex that wont slip constantly that can stand some abuse, most importantly that wont just slide on the table when set down to cut etc.

point me in the right direction?, and THANK YOU!
 

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Try cartamundi aces. They're less slippery than modiano da Vincis, way less than copags. Super cheap too.
 

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You know, I had the same problem with my poker group and one of my friends who was in the military (who played poker in Afghanistan and Iraq) brought in a Bicycle Prestige Dura-flex deck from his military days and our group LOVED it. It is also very cheap and extremely durable. We still play with the same deck, nearly a year later, and it shows very little sign of wear (and this is considering the 3452345 games he probably played with it while deployed.

Here's a review:
Here's a link to the deck: http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Prestige-Plastic-Playing-Cards/dp/B001RLP862

Guarantee that they are less "shiny" and "slippery" than copags.
 

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All plastic cards will seem slippery compared to paper cards. I've had comments about all of the brands I have, but the fewest are for the Desjgn Classic Victorians, Cartamundi Ace and Marion Pro cards.

If you like the Bicycle Prestige but want jumbo poker size in red/blue, you can get them in Europe...check eBay. Fournier also feel very similar to Prestige, so you could try the Fournier 2800 from Amazon.
 
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Fournier, baby!

Much less slippery.

Dal Negro are also less slippery but I'd go with Fourier.
 

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As far as bicycle prestige, the deck I have is the most slippery one I own. Worse than copag. Ymmv.
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I absolutely love my Modiano PA cards, and every time I try a new deck, my players request going back to the Modianos. There is always some learning curve on how to handle and shuffle good cards,

I have experienced the slipperiness you described with the copags and bike prestige cards, but never the PAs. They have a great texture to them, which is why my players love them.
 

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Here's my personal opinion on the cards I own, from least to most slippery:

Cartamundi Ace 100% plastic- Very snappy, almost seem to stick together, can even be hard to push together after a riffle. I've had paper cards that like to slide more than these. I really like them for playing without a nice flat table, (euchre/cribbage in a hotel room or stuff like that). Not my favorite if I'm a dedicated shuffler at a proper table.

Modiano Da Vinci (Persiano)- Probably my favorite balance of feel. After handling for a few minutes you get used to putting them down so they don't slide. Very nice feel shuffling

Fournier- Just a little more slick than the Modianos. I only have bridge size, which I'm less comfortable with

Copag- You really need to pay attention when you put the deck down and use a finger to plant the top card. After a while it becomes second nature, but I do get player complaints about it.

Bicycle Prestige- I have problems with the whole deck sliding apart when you put it down, even on a good table. Sometimes it feels like the middle cards are going to slide out and explode everywhere when you pick up a deck. Personally would not buy again. Didn't even bother to get a red deck to have a full setup.
 

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Big difference between prestige and prestige dura flex. But to each their own. I have never had slip problems with my prestige cards, but if that's too slippery for some folks. ... well, don't know what to tell you...
 

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Big difference between prestige and prestige dura flex. But to each their own. I have never had slip problems with my prestige cards, but if that's too slippery for some folks. ... well, don't know what to tell you...

I have that exact deck pictured in the thumbnail of your video and it has the most slip of any of the ones I've handled. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there must be some variations or a stock change that makes your deck very different from mine.
 

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We've had comments from players before about the Prestige cards, but it has always been from players who have never used plastic cards before. In my opinion, Prestige are middle of the road in that aspect...they aren't the grippiest (Marion Pro / Cartamundi ACE), but they aren't the most slippery (Royal), either.
 

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I have that exact deck pictured in the thumbnail of your video and it has the most slip of any of the ones I've handled. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there must be some variations or a stock change that makes your deck very different from mine.

Yeah. I'm thinking that could be it too. I didn't buy a second deck to compare it against and it has seen use overseas.

Now I'm genuinely curious and will buy a second set. Will review when they arrive.
 

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We've had comments from players before about the Prestige cards, but it has always been from players who have never used plastic cards before. In my opinion, Prestige are middle of the road in that aspect...they aren't the grippiest (Marion Pro / Cartamundi ACE), but they aren't the most slippery (Royal), either.

I've only ever used Copags or Prestige. IMHO, Copags are thinner, more slick and lack the thick, papery feel of the bike prestige.

That said, I've never played with Modianos, or any other cards because of how well Prestige has worked for our group thus far.
 

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Thanks all, So once again the answer seems like, buy all the cards and then see which ones get fumbled less. Or just have shuffling clinics pre and post games as a drill till every one follows suit* but really, I have played with the prestige ( the ones on the video above) and my wife hates them specifically because they are more snappy and have less bend to them. There seems to be more than one person that has mixed feeling about those prestiges and I'm not entirely sure the ones being sold in the USA are the same as you can get overseas. Aren't they made by Fournier or I'm i thinking of the large indexed prestiges that come in a set of purple/green?

I find the J design cards, well.. ugly. I know they have a following just not for me.
Casino ACE 100% plastic a bit tight to work with. I ended up giving those away to a friend a couple of months back. I don't recall them being slippery, just hard to work with.

Im intrigued by the Fournier 2800 mainly because they match the european style. Possibly the Jumbo Prestige cards as a test as they are possibly the best compromise for a lot of people, between feel,thickness, and flex.

I honestly don't want to buy 3-5 packs of different cards just to conclude that all plastic cards slide when cut or somewhat mishandled by less experienced players. What I'm experiencing with these Modianos PA is that when cut the cards tend to slide right off the deck, which seems a little strange because the texture on these cards is not smooth at all. That alone i know will make a mess of things. Will see how this turns out, next game is in a weeks time.
 

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After a few uses, the cards will not be as slick.

I can guarantee that the cards that zippity is talking about, if they were used many times before he handled them, will feel extremely different than a fresh pack.

My personal preference is also Fournier. I've used just about everything now, and I still like to go back to them, or Modianos. The Cartamundi platinum acetates are also quite nice.

Mike
 

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You know, I had the same problem with my poker group and one of my friends who was in the military (who played poker in Afghanistan and Iraq) brought in a Bicycle Prestige Dura-flex deck from his military days and our group LOVED it. It is also very cheap and extremely durable. We still play with the same deck, nearly a year later, and it shows very little sign of wear (and this is considering the 3452345 games he probably played with it while deployed.

Here's a review:
Here's a link to the deck: http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Prestige-Plastic-Playing-Cards/dp/B001RLP862

Guarantee that they are less "shiny" and "slippery" than copags.

My family likes the Prestige. They really are nice cards for a good price. I have shufflers from 8years old to over 60 and they can all shuffle the Bicycles... Not so much the Copags or the Kems.
 
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