Favorite alternatives to Paulson and why? (3 Viewers)

[BPTDirector]

A screen saver I have.

 

[upNdown]

they are CHEAPER than Paulson.

Its not really a good comparison. CPCs are cheaper than the “retail” prices of Paulson NAGBs. But they’re more expensive than your typical chiproom release.
There really aren’t any bad options, when it comes to compressed clay, unless maybe you’re talking about heavily worn casino-used chips.

 

[maxim_666666]

Its not really a good comparison. CPCs are cheaper than the “retail” prices of Paulson NAGBs. But they’re more expensive than your typical chiproom release.
There really aren’t any bad options, when it comes to compressed clay, unless maybe you’re talking about heavily worn casino-used chips.

Yes, I understand what you’re talking about, but it’s a bit misleading. I consider TCR chips to be a pleasant exception to the rule. However, it seems those days are gone as well. These sales are not such a frequent occurrence nowadays. And if you take a calculator and add up the prices of new chips, you’ll quickly realize that buying a tournament set T25 with a standard breakdown of 120 × $25 / 120 × $100 / 50 × $500 / 60 × $1,000 / ? × $5,000 from Jim will end up costing you more than from CPC.

Do the math for new Harrah’s, Jumers, Jacks. Und several years have already passed...
But if we’re talking about T5 or T1, especially used sets, then you’re absolutely right — they’re cheaper than the market.

Tigers and Princesses are indeed magnificent, but it’s not so much that they’re expensive for me — I simply don’t like all the denominations. I’m willing to put up with “flaws” if the chips are cheaper than the market. But in this case, I find it crazy to overpay 3–4× for chips where I can’t even change the design, and which aren’t even real casino chips but just someone’s fantasy set — even though I’m sure the price is fair, since I’m also sure that Paulson’s manufacturing prices are high.

But is it worth it? For the same money at CPC, I can make anything I want, with any breakdown I want, and for much less money.

 

[upNdown]

Yes, I understand what you’re talking about, but it’s a bit misleading. I consider TCR chips to be a pleasant exception to the rule. However, it seems those days are gone as well. These sales are not such a frequent occurrence nowadays. And if you take a calculator and add up the prices of new chips, you’ll quickly realize that buying a tournament set T25 with a standard breakdown of 120 × $25 / 120 × $100 / 50 × $500 / 60 × $1,000 / ? × $5,000 from Jim will end up costing you more than from CPC.

Do the math for new Harrah’s, Jumers, Jacks. Und several years have already passed...
But if we’re talking about T5 or T1, especially used sets, then you’re absolutely right — they’re cheaper than the market.

Tigers and Princesses are indeed magnificent, but it’s not so much that they’re expensive for me — I simply don’t like all the denominations. I’m willing to put up with “flaws” if the chips are cheaper than the market. But in this case, I find it crazy to overpay 3–4× for chips where I can’t even change the design, and which aren’t even real casino chips but just someone’s fantasy set — even though I’m sure the price is fair, since I’m also sure that Paulson’s manufacturing prices are high.

But is it worth it? For the same money at CPC, I can make anything I want, with any breakdown I want, and for much less money.

Oh right! It's all about your game. I was talking about cash game chips - $1-$100. Yes, if you're playing tournaments with paulson cash chips, the denominations get real expensive at $500 and up. Last time I did it, I went T5, and it was still more expensive than CPC..
I'm not about bashing CPC - I actually like half their mold more than RHC.

 

[maxim_666666]

I play with T5 Paulson myself.
And we started with T1!

 

[dizzyChipper]

Lots around
Buy just a shuffle stack
@dizzyChipper had some

Still do.

Thread 'CPC Rounders Scroll Mold Shuffle Stacks'

 

[geefergus]

It’s been one month since joining and I’ve tried to take the advice of the leadership counsel on this thread. In short- each chip has its own pros and cons. I’ve now handled china clays, ceramics, CPC, leaded and unleaded Paulson THC, RHC, IHC, BCC, new vs casino used, and a number of fantasy sets. They all have their strong points and limitations. I’ve really enjoyed the adventure and look forward to continuing my journey. Big thanks to everyone who has helped me so far!

 

[bigblind]

CPC chips

 

[geefergus]

CPC chips

They are great can’t wait for them to reopen.

 

[BigGrizz]

Yes, I understand what you’re talking about, but it’s a bit misleading. I consider TCR chips to be a pleasant exception to the rule. However, it seems those days are gone as well. These sales are not such a frequent occurrence nowadays. And if you take a calculator and add up the prices of new chips, you’ll quickly realize that buying a tournament set T25 with a standard breakdown of 120 × $25 / 120 × $100 / 50 × $500 / 60 × $1,000 / ? × $5,000 from Jim will end up costing you more than from CPC.

Do the math for new Harrah’s, Jumers, Jacks. Und several years have already passed...
But if we’re talking about T5 or T1, especially used sets, then you’re absolutely right — they’re cheaper than the market.

Tigers and Princesses are indeed magnificent, but it’s not so much that they’re expensive for me — I simply don’t like all the denominations. I’m willing to put up with “flaws” if the chips are cheaper than the market. But in this case, I find it crazy to overpay 3–4× for chips where I can’t even change the design, and which aren’t even real casino chips but just someone’s fantasy set — even though I’m sure the price is fair, since I’m also sure that Paulson’s manufacturing prices are high.

But is it worth it? For the same money at CPC, I can make anything I want, with any breakdown I want, and for much less money.

Speaking of Paulson manufacturing prices, have any of the more recent NAGB runner actually released their costs from Paulson?

 

[suchj0sh]

Speaking of Paulson manufacturing prices, have any of the more recent NAGB runner actually released their costs from Paulson?

 

[geefergus]

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Ha- no idea if this is anywhere close to reality but a certain AI site thinks it’s $0.75-$1.25 per chip.

 

[Huskerchipper]

Ha- no idea if this is anywhere close to reality but a certain AI site thinks it’s $0.75-$1.25 per chip.

I can gaurantee you...that is wrong

 

[geefergus]

I can gaurantee you...that is wrong

Any idea on a more accurate range

 

[Huskerchipper]

Any idea on a more accurate range

Yes

 

[geefergus]

Yes

I’m not sure I want to know but what do you think a better range is?

 

[DrStrange]

It is pointless to speculate on the cost of a Paulson chip without knowing the order quantity and the complexity of the chip. One also needs to know the shipping methods and if tariffs are to be paid.

An order of 100,000 plain Jane, white chips picked up at the factory shipping dock are far cheaper per chip vs an minimum order of a complex chip with inlay and security features delivered to your front door. The art and setup costs amortized over a vast order quantity fade into trivial numbers. The art and set up costs for a minimum order are significant.

The purchase cost paid by a big wholesale buyer has little to do with what an individual might pay. Ask anyone who was an end buyer for some of the for-profit group buys. They paid what the market would bear, not the wholesale price the promoter paid.

Just assume fine chips are going to be somewhat to exceptionally expensive -=- DrStrange

 

[maxim_666666]

Speaking of Paulson manufacturing prices, have any of the more recent NAGB runner actually released their costs from Paulson?

I'm sure the costs were high. I believe they paid $3-5 per chip in this case. These chips, and others like them, don't have any of the built-in security features used in casino chips. This was clearly done to reduce the cost of the chip, or rather, to maximize profits. Perhaps @David Spragg could provide some insight?
Well, or they paid extra "margin" so that Paulson would turn a blind eye to all these shenanigans.

 

[BigGrizz]

Oh I'm sure Paulson marked them up. I would just be curious what their average quotes were. $3-$4/chip would make a lot of sense for turning around and selling for $7-$10/chip. The final price needs to include risk.

 

[upNdown]

Oh I'm sure Paulson marked them up. I would just be curious what their average quotes were. $3-$4/chip would make a lot of sense for turning around and selling for $7-$10/chip. The final price needs to include risk.

I think with many of these NAGBs, the final prices had a lot more to do with what the market would bear than actual costs.

 

[BigGrizz]

And that's fair. I suspect they don't reveal costs because some in the community would say otherwise unfortunately.

 

[dizzyChipper]

My favorite alternative to Paulson thus far is....

Sunfly Polyinno Hybrid Ceramics - they shuffle, stack and look great and can be very reasonably priced.

 

[maxim_666666]

My favorite alternative to Paulson thus far is....

Sunfly Polyinno Hybrid Ceramics - they shuffle, stack and look great and can be very reasonably priced.

Where is the photo??? Link??

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

Depends on why you want an alternative.

Alternative if you want to compensate the fact you cannot order a brand-new set of compression-mold chips : CPC - be aware of the waiting time to get your set
Alternative if you want something cheaper but still qualitative : hybrids or ceramics (I myself prefer SunFly or BRPro who are sponsors here over "Tina")