Faded Spades WPT special edition and four color + Restock? (9 Viewers)
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Tonystark137
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Thanks, I was sure I signed up for their restock email and got nadda.
Bought 2 WPTs.
Phyffe
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Can anyone compare the FSX series with the standard Faded Spade 2.0s?
Very similar, if not the same stock. The V3's are definitely different stock.
@Split deduced that these are Kuo Kao printed cards. My theory is that they used the same stock for V1 and V3, and now the current FSX line is on the same stock as the V2 cards.
My V1 and V3 cards are all warped to hell. The V1's were only in play once and the V3's I only shuffled and pitched for 15 minutes and they started to curl already. My V2's and FSX's are ad flat as the day I got them.
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Tonystark137
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@RocAFella1 they got bridge
Thanks… I use poker-sized four-colors; it appears they only have bridge setups left?
I bought three set-ups when these debuted. They have proved very durable, playing twice a month, rotating two set-ups and keeping the third as backup. I’ve yet to have to replace a single card. But I should probably get a couple more eventually for additional backup.
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Tonystark137
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Oh I saw the four color ; shame that they onyl have bridge
RocAFella1
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Tonystark137
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There is a huge texture difference between these 2 cards. V2 is a lot smoother in comparison while the FSX have a lot more grip top & bottom. As a dedicated dealer with a shuffler these are my favorite cards to deal by far.
I agree that not having reduced shipping costs for multiple set-up purchases is ridiculous but I still have a V2 setup in rotation since before covid so I've definitely got my $'s worth out of them.
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Four color decks are vastly and objectively superior from a usability standpoint.
Two color decks are an arbitrary vestige of late 18th and early 19th century printing limitations.
Do you also wear a powdered wig, knee stockings and rouge at the table?
RocAFella1
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Denominated chips are vastly superior from a usability standpoint but I digress. I can’t remember the last time someone messed up the suits in games I’ve hosted or played in. In fact I would argue it can be worse for color blind people who can’t see green or blue.
Avid home game player - been using FS for years. These FSX feel slightly stiffer - more durable - slightly more textured. They are not warping like the older decks over time. Have been using the same 2 decks for 4 months, 2 times a week, steady. Keep using the same decks, it is like performing an endurance test. They slide nice too.
I have one four color setup and it gets used once a year at a specific person’s game where he requests them. They are ok, I can take em or leave em.
AJ (Rules)
Two-color decks make everyone colorblind.
Or are you suggesting that non-colorblind people can see a difference between the blacks used for spades and clubs? And the reds used for hearts and diamonds?
RocAFella1
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The only issues color blind people have in my experience are the backs, especially when they're green brown. I guess it's a problem for you, but that doesn't make it superior overall.
You either missed the point or don’t want to acknowledge the inconsistency in your argument…
If you’re so concerned that a few colorblind people will see (say) the blue and green of four-colors as identical, why are you not concerned that 100% of players will see the two black suits of traditional decks as all one color? Or the two red suits as the same color?
Again: Two color decks make everyone colorblind. You can only tell spades/clubs apart based on their shapes. You likewise can only tell hearts and diamonds apart based on their shapes.
Might as well have one-color decks if you don’t think color helps most players identify suits.
P.S. I have definitely had the experience of players misreading their cards and/or the board with two-color decks.
Happens especially if they only look quickly at their hole cards and don’t double-check later in the hand, when both cards are black or both red.
But also when someone is sitting at the far end of a table and the game is self-dealt, with the dealer at the other end. Often in bad lighting.
That’s on them, but it’s just silly to continue with this fundamental design flaw based on the constraints of manually inking presses in 1795 or something.
Happens especially if they only look quickly at their hole cards and don’t double-check later in the hand, when both cards are black or both red.
But also when someone is sitting at the far end of a table and the game is self-dealt, with the dealer at the other end. Often in bad lighting.
That’s on them, but it’s just silly to continue with this fundamental design flaw based on the constraints of manually inking presses in 1795 or something.
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Ditto for when I called out your non-denominated BS...
I'm saying it's not a concern, and can in fact be a detriment. If you think 4 color helps you significantly good for you. It doesn't help me or my players at all and we prefer red/black, especially for prop betting red/black. I guess it could be more degenerate to bet 4 colors but again I digress.
I actually have an argument for not needing denoms (no one actually ever reads them, so they are extraneous).
Your argument is just that you are hidebound by a tradition based on centuries-old technological limitations.
Might as well also insist that people play tennis with Slazenger and Tretorn wood rackets. They were good enough for our great-grandparents—who are we to need anything better? Works just fine in my seniors doubles game. Plus we need to keep the catgut industry from collapsing.
RocAFella1
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Really? I can't tell you how many times players ask how much each chip is worth. Even after playing with the same set multiple times.
Again, NONE of my players have any issue with red/black. In fact, some get confused by 4 colors. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I'm guessing the casinos and cardrooms just can't afford 4 color decks?
Phyffe
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My 2 cents on the 2 vs 4 color debate -
Cent #1 - People have grown up with red/black decks from childhood so people know what to distinguish.
Cent #2 - Granted people with older eyes need more help. From the few 4 color decks I've seen, the coloration is kinda, well, subtle and may be hard to differentiate. The colors could be darker. When I see green and blue being used for diamonds and clubs, I kinda need double check. I imagine use makes master though.
Cent #1 - People have grown up with red/black decks from childhood so people know what to distinguish.
Cent #2 - Granted people with older eyes need more help. From the few 4 color decks I've seen, the coloration is kinda, well, subtle and may be hard to differentiate. The colors could be darker. When I see green and blue being used for diamonds and clubs, I kinda need double check. I imagine use makes master though.
You do know that this pic is a "inner circle" joke?
You’re proving my point.
I’ve made it over and over again: They ask *even when the amount is printed on the chip* and even when they have played with those chips repeatedly.
How many times have I sat in a tourney where some OMC who claims to have played poker since before I was kneehigh to a grasshopper asks how much the purple chip WHICH HAS 500 PRINTED ON BOTH SIDES IN 24 POINT HELVETICA EXTRA BOLD is worth?
Ergo, denoms are extraneous — except to create a familiar “look” people are used to. They don’t actually improve usability.
That’s because most adults are not that different from toddlers who don’t want to try a new food even though it is way better than their familiar porridge.
If you grew up with four-color decks, you’d say it was ridiculous to bump down to two colors—and then you’d finally be right.
If adult toddlers would just stick with four-color for more than 1-2 sessions they won’t want to go back. It is objectively an improvement over arbitrary standards dictated 250-year-old printing constraints.
But I guess since it doesn’t matter traffic lights should use the same color for stop and go. Since some people are colorblind, and can’t tell red from green; we should all know just by the position of the light at the top or bottom. Silly to use different colors.
Casinos don’t want to cause adult toddlers to have tantrums.
Anyway, can you think of any choices casinos ever make that you do differently, or much better as a host? Is your goal to run games exactly like a generic casino?
RocAFella1
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They ask and then they look at the chip or are told to look at the chip. But those are the idiots. And then they realize it’s all on the chip. Telling them to look at the chip is easier than having to retell what denom the chip is each time. There are just as many if not more people that just look down at the chip and moves on. Just because it doesn’t always work for some people, doesn’t mean usability is not improved.
Just because it works better for you doesn’t mean it’s better for everyone. You can keep calling it old fashioned or stubbornness but it works for a majority of the card players out there. Good luck on your 4 color crusade.
#bridgeorbust
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