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We are discussing why the general consensus prefers one size over another.

It seems that a 55-45% split in an interwebz poll now counts as some sort of massive mandate. That isn’t exactly a Nixon vs. McGovern landslide.​

I have not seen any science on your end to suggest why poker size is better.

I’ve cited many times the main technical reason I prefer poker over bridge size, and it arises from my work and experience in design (both as a graphic artist, and as a writer and lead juror for a national award winning design magazine, if you really need my resumé. Which you shouldn’t, but now that you question my basis, there you go).​
My number one reason for my preference is that the extra “real estate” on the face makes it easier to design a more readable face. Spacing can be wider, and/or fonts can be larger. Many card designers don’t seem to take such things into account, but that’s not my fault. There are some excellent poker-size deck designs out there.​
Furthermore, on the width question, I have also noted that from a usability standpoint if anything the wider size should be *easier* for non-professional dealers to shuffle, because there is more area to grip. A smaller size requires more precision, not something one finds a lot of in home games.​
I’ve additionally cited my book research on the history of cards, noting that the 2.5 x 3.5" standard evolved organically over centuries of experimentation with different shapes and dimensions of cards, well before poker was even invented. It may be the longest-running size standard for a mass-produced product in the past millennium.​
And that was at a time when people were a lot smaller than today. So if anything (and as already noted, since apparently many here only skim for what they want to hear) you’d expect cards to need to be *wider* today than in 18th Century France, because the average person is bigger by a substantial amount, evolutionarily-speaking.​
I’ve only waded into debating some of the bridge side’s other dubious claims (such as the science of pitching cards without flipping them) to push back against some hysterically vehement and unsupported assertions about the urgent need to narrow cards by 1/4", because poker apparently has been facing some kind of card-width existential crisis.​
Side note: Weird how no one ever thinks the poker decks need to be shortened. I mean, it’s bad enough how the narrow-handed people suffer with poker cards. Just think of how bad these 3.5"-long decks are for those with short palms! O the humanity​
Instead you just viciously attack anyone who says bridge handles by claiming they have small hands. Y
Didn’t realize it’s “vicious” to joke about hand size now.​
Do you keep a copy of Miss Manners’ Guide To Excruciatingly Correct Behavior next to your poker table, next to Roberts Rules? Might want to invest in a fainting couch, too.​
Gosh forbid if certain snowflakes in the Bridge Size Lynch Mob ever faced an actual insult in person... because hand size is pretty tame stuff.. One typically hears far worse bantered about in most friendly poker games.​
You see people here smearing my character, as a “sleaze,” “dishonest,” and a “jackass” all over... the width of playing cards. But for you, small hands is a bridge too far. OK, now we know where you draw the line.​
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Bottom line for me: I stand by my original assertion that the needless shift away from the established 2.5x3.5" standard was largely casino-driven, seemingly arbitrary, and in any case never specifically justified by the industry. It’s only when preferences are questioned that we get a flurry of random post hoc claims from people here.​
When that changeover began, to my knowledge, it was not in response to any player or even dealer outcry or grassroots movement. It was a top-down management decision.​
And I’ll say it again: What is good for casino management is not necessarily good for home games. Apparently that is a hanging offense.​
 
It seems that a 55-45% split in an interwebz poll now counts as some sort of massive mandate. That isn’t exactly a Nixon vs. McGovern landslide.
Nobody ever said it was. Just a general preference, especially among dealers who spend hours dealing. Maybe it doesn’t translate for you but it translates to a lot here.

My number one reason for my preference is that the extra “real estate” on the face makes it easier to design a more readable face. Spacing can be wider, and/or fonts can be larger. Many card designers don’t seem to take such things into account, but that’s not my fault. There are some excellent poker-size deck designs out there.
That’s fine. It’s a preference as you do state. Nobody is arguing facts or science here.
The same way most dealers seem to prefer the narrower cards. You treat your opinion as the truth and other’s opinions as misguided and false. See the difference there?

You can generalize as much as you like but from nearly everyone home game I’ve been in, people who aren’t professional dealers struggle much more with the larger cards because they don’t know how to hold them, pitch them, or manipulate them. The extra surface area makes it that much clumsier. But again you’ll say this is misguided and not based in science. Sometimes real world experience trumps theoretical science.

Didn’t realize it’s “vicious” to joke about hand size now.
Go back to the thread. There are many other instances of you attacking others.
 
Nah, soCal.
I go to SoCal all the time. Maybe I'll have to head on down for en event on one of these occasions 🤪

The Office Lie GIF

Most if not all dealers suck at poker. It’s a fact. See below:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/controversial-chip-poker-opinions.83207/post-2830577
I actually tend to agree with that to a point yunno. It's like when you become a master chess player. You have seen SOOOO many possibilities, so many moves that your brain is absolutely flooded with more possibilities than any poker player has ever seen. I don't even want to calculate the amount of hands I've seen working 8 hours a day for 5 days for 5 years straight. I would equivalate my experience as someone buying in for $500 every weekend for the next 20 years of their life, and by the time they finally get to the amount of hands I've seen, I will have done that 4X over. Another wild thing to think about, more than likely we've never even seen the same hand once 👀

It seems that a 55-45% split in an interwebz poll now counts as some sort of massive mandate. That isn’t exactly a Nixon vs. McGovern landslide.​



I’ve cited many times the main technical reason I prefer poker over bridge size, and it arises from my work and experience in design (both as a graphic artist, and as a writer and lead juror for a national award winning design magazine, if you really need my resumé. Which you shouldn’t, but now that you question my basis, there you go).​
My number one reason for my preference is that the extra “real estate” on the face makes it easier to design a more readable face. Spacing can be wider, and/or fonts can be larger. Many card designers don’t seem to take such things into account, but that’s not my fault. There are some excellent poker-size deck designs out there.​
Furthermore, on the width question, I have also noted that from a usability standpoint if anything the wider size should be *easier* for non-professional dealers to shuffle, because there is more area to grip. A smaller size requires more precision, not something one finds a lot of in home games.​
I’ve additionally cited my book research on the history of cards, noting that the 2.5 x 3.5" standard evolved organically over centuries of experimentation with different shapes and dimensions of cards, well before poker was even invented. It may be the longest-running size standard for a mass-produced product in the past millennium.​
And that was at a time when people were a lot smaller than today. So if anything (and as already noted, since apparently many here only skim for what they want to hear) you’d expect cards to need to be *wider* today than in 18th Century France, because the average person is bigger by a substantial amount, evolutionarily-speaking.​
I’ve only waded into debating some of the bridge side’s other dubious claims (such as the science of pitching cards without flipping them) to push back against some hysterically vehement and unsupported assertions about the urgent need to narrow cards by 1/4", because poker apparently has been facing some kind of card-width existential crisis.​
Side note: Weird how no one ever thinks the poker decks need to be shortened. I mean, it’s bad enough how the narrow-handed people suffer with poker cards. Just think of how bad these 3.5"-long decks are for those with short palms! O the humanity​

Didn’t realize it’s “vicious” to joke about hand size now.​
Do you keep a copy of Miss Manners’ Guide To Excruciatingly Correct Behavior next to your poker table, next to Roberts Rules? Might want to invest in a fainting couch, too.​
Gosh forbid if certain snowflakes in the Bridge Size Lynch Mob ever faced an actual insult in person... because hand size is pretty tame stuff.. One typically hears far worse bantered about in most friendly poker games.​
You see people here smearing my character, as a “sleaze,” “dishonest,” and a “jackass” all over... the width of playing cards. But for you, small hands is a bridge too far. OK, now we know where you draw the line.​
.................​
Bottom line for me: I stand by my original assertion that the needless shift away from the established 2.5x3.5" standard was largely casino-driven, seemingly arbitrary, and in any case never specifically justified by the industry. It’s only when preferences are questioned that we get a flurry of random post hoc claims from people here.​
When that changeover began, to my knowledge, it was not in response to any player or even dealer outcry or grassroots movement. It was a top-down management decision.​
And I’ll say it again: What is good for casino management is not necessarily good for home games. Apparently that is a hanging offense.​
To that I would have to say I personally like poker cards for pitching, but as this has become a small career for me, longevity is the key. Arthritis is a giant issue for dealers cause none of them think of their future. Straight wrists, stretching, and the least amount of motion possible is the cure. Bridge is just easier in general. I would equivalate to the Chinese torture of poking someone until the pokes become punches. I think you're definitely a player, this is purely from a dealer perspective that takes longevity into account. Dealers I've met who are have been dealing for more than 30 years have slowed down because they want to slow the process of Arthritis, not cause they can't do it. I'm young a spunky so dealing quick means more money. Doesn't matter much to older fellers as they've already done well for themselves

The reality is we are not proving some scientific theorem. We are discussing why the general consensus prefers one size over another. I have not seen any science on your end to suggest why poker size is better. Instead you just viciously attack anyone who says bridge handles by claiming they have small hands. Your argument about the 1/4” difference being a matter of someone’s muscles or technique being the problem is akin to saying that a shoe being a half size off is a matter of someone’s foot or walking technique being the problem.
There's a really cool thing that I've noticed over the years, some of the largest handed dealers are the most gentle. Met a 6 ft 7 in vet who has 15 years of experience. He's the most meticulous, OCD dealer I work with. Every card is perfect. He doesn't mess up. But watching a big handed fella treat a card like the tiniest little wounded puppy is the best thing ever. He would definitely prefer poker size, but it doesn't matter what size he deals, it's the same warmth with the cards. We adapt super quickly.

Welcome to PCF!
Thank you!! Glad to be at home with you dirty chip handlers!

Thank you you filthy animal 🤪
 

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