Custom E&C Relabel Set(s) (1 Viewer)

[FestiveKnight]

Starting a thread to document and get feedback on what turning a bunch of ASM era E&Cs into some keeper stuff.

Current thinking is these six racks become a tournament set. The goal is 100% to do a Maho Reef tribute. Family is Dutch so slight connection to St Maarten and just really like these. I have no qualms murdering them but I like that they’ll still bear the casino name.

Left to right:
200 x T100
100 x T500
160 x T1000 (mix the Trumps and Maho Reef $25s)
140 x T5000

To cover two tables of 20k starting stacks. Obviously where the colors fall isn’t optimal but I like the flow of the spots. Iteration leaves behind many bad ideas!


This then leaves me with…. This all:

And the question is how if anything to make something interesting and playable out of it.

I tried swapping the fenix T50 and T20 but the yellow is too similar to the base of the $1 for me colorblind eyes.

 

[GreekRedEye]

Great little project! Maybe make the browns bounty chips for the T100 set? And the rest of the leftovers make into a head's up cash or separate tourney set?

 

[FestiveKnight]

Great little project! Maybe make the browns bounty chips for the T100 set? And the rest of the leftovers make into a head's up cash or separate tourney set?

Bounty chips! Great idea.

I have a HU T25 set but no HU cash. So that’s a good idea.

Maybe one rack with three color nondenoms. I really like the Maho $5s, $25s and $100s together. Beautiful DS18 spots

 

[FestiveKnight]

Okay, still marinating the Maho ideas so turning attention to what to do with the rest. I’ve decided to turn a bunch into a custom set for one of my closest friends who is my go-to poker buddy.

I’m thinking about trying to do it with these:

The exact quantities are:

120 yellow
75 white
75 red
50 black
50 green
25 fenix reds

He has a cash set and these quantities definitely don’t seem conducive to cash so I’m thinking tournament.

Putting aside standard colors for now, I’m trying to see how to get 4 denoms out of this but I’m hitting a wall in my tournament set planning knowledge.

At one point I bookmarked this suggestion from @Kid_Eastwood.

Post in thread '2k tourney, T5 base'
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/2k-tourney-t5-base.59158/post-1149614

Which advises for the breakdown below to get a quite versatile set out of only 300 chips.

T5 x 100
T25 x 100
T100 x 75 incl. 5 to color-up all the T5
T500 x 25 incl. 5 to color-up all the T25

The problem is that there are not two colors that with 100+ plus.

An option is to do something like this.

100 x Yellow T#
75 x (White or Red) T #
75 x (White or Red) T #
25(+) x (Green or Black) T#

But that will obviously add to a different total with only 75 of the second denom. I imagine that can be compensated for, but I don’t know the best way. More of the highest denom? Slightly more of lowest denom using all 120 yellows?

Another line of thought is to maybe make the colors the most traditional this could be one of those like cash sized tournaments. Yellow 25¢, white $1, red $5, green $25.

For 8 players, you could do starting stacks of 12/7/4 for $30 starting stacks or something.

@BGinGA maybe you can advise? @Saoliver you’ve posted on HU tournament set stuff I’ve liked. Maybe that’s the best fit here?

 

[Saoliver]

There are two excellent breakdowns for heads-up sets that can play out of one rack. For heads-up, you really don’t need more than 3 denoms.

$1,500 starting stacks. Use 2x $100 to color up $5s.
40x $5
40x $25
20x $100

Or

$7,000 starting stacks. Use 2x $500 to color up $25s.
40x $25
40x $100
20x $500

For a heads up tourney, you can scale this up, and probably go much lighter on the lowest denom.

 

[BGinGA]

I’ve decided to turn a bunch into a custom set for one of my closest friends

The exact quantities are:

120 yellow
75 white
75 red
50 black
50 green
25 fenix reds

@BGinGA maybe you can advise?

About the best you can do 'conventionally' is a 9-player T25-base tourney set using non-standard colors, with 8/8/6/6/2 = T20k starting stacks:

72 x T25
72 x T100
45 x T500
55 x T1000 (10x for T25/T100 color-ups)
24 x T5000 (6x for T500 color-ups)
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268 chips

Actual colors used are up to you, but I'd probably go with:

T25 red
T100 white
T500 green
T1000 yellow
T5000 black

Or you could go with a 10-player T500-base set using 6/12/7/4 = T150k stacks:

60 x T500 white
120 x T1000 yellow
70 x T5000 red
46 x T25k green (6x for T500/T1000 color-ups)
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296 chips

 

[FestiveKnight]

There are two excellent breakdowns for heads-up sets that can play out of one rack. For heads-up, you really don’t need more than 3 denoms.

$1,500 starting stacks. Use 2x $100 to color up $5s.
40x $5
40x $25
20x $100

Or

$7,000 starting stacks. Use 2x $500 to color up $25s.
40x $25
40x $100
20x $500

For a heads up tourney, you can scale this up, and probably go much lighter on the lowest denom.

I think this will be a perfect way to use up some of the leftover chips from the other things. Thank you!

 

[FestiveKnight]

About the best you can do 'conventionally' is a 9-player T25-base tourney set using non-standard colors, with 8/8/6/6/2 = T20k starting stacks:

72 x T25
72 x T100
45 x T500
55 x T1000 (10x for T25/T100 color-ups)
24 x T5000 (6x for T500 color-ups)
-------------
268 chips

Actual colors used are up to you, but I'd probably go with:

T25 red
T100 white
T500 green
T1000 yellow
T5000 black

I like this first one a lot, gets me 5 denoms to play with for inlays. Weird starting stacks but a normal base amount.

Q: I only have 50 greens so 9 players can't get 6 each. One player could get 3 yellows if doing 9 players? And I can increase the yellows to 60 to still have enough for color-up. That stack is a bit awkward but seems okay.

For anyone who comes across this who, like me, is learning how to configure these things:

With 9 players when you remove the T25s and T100s, they're worth 9,000 total and we can use the 10x T1000s to cover that

When we remove the T500s, there is 27,000 value of those in play, so we can use the 6x T5000s to more than cover that. So elegant!

 

[FestiveKnight]

Some inlay removal underway! Plans for these coming together. Boy are these easy to murder. I could do this all day.

 

[FestiveKnight]

Okay. Not ready to call it final till I stare at these a bit longer but…

Set 1 - T1 tournament set. I know this is not very meta these days but the goal here is to end up with something unique, interesting and playable. Not necessarily something that’ll get felted every month.

Here’s the chips:

And here’s the breakdown:

Typical single-table T1-base tournament set:
T1000 starting stacks (15/12/9/7), 250BB with 2/4 starting blinds
150 x T1
120 x T5
90 x T25
90 x T100 (extras used for T1 color-up and re-buys)
10 x T500 (used for T5/T25 color-ups)
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460 chips. This set breakdown minimizes change-making, with both lower denominations in the preferred 12-16 chip range.

This’ll let me keep the $1s and $100s with original relabels and I’ll label the rest for the $5s, $25s, extra few $100s, and yellows to $500s.

Set 2 - Small cash set.

The chips:

I’ll make this 10¢, 50¢, $1, $5 and $25 keeping the $5 and $25s with original labels. #teamblackdollar. I have no set (planned) with dimes and half dollars so this is a nice niche. A bit weird with 12 $5s and 8 $25s but that’s to use up chips that I have odd counts of.

Set 3 - T5 heads up set. Nice and simple. No murder required. I like keeping a rack of these original and this makes good use of the weird counts I have of these.

Which leaves:

I quite like the Cartagena T10K but I couldn’t find a good spot for it. I’ll use up some of these for seating, bounty, rebuy, etc.

All in all I’m really happy with being able to fit these into playable sets. I love love the feel of the E&C chips and the S18 spots are really hot. I also like that these have a justifiable spot long term in keeper sets, rather than just another cash set.