Tourney Convert this T5 structure to T25 and make it better (1 Viewer)

[navels]

This is the structure for a monthly league that I play in. It is 10-16 players typically, starting at 6pm and ending around midnight or a little after. Unlimited rebuys until the second break.

Starting stack is 1K. Open to any suggestions that will make the game deeper, with a T25 base chip, but last roughly the same amount of time.

Level	Blinds	Time (minutes)
1	5/10	30
2	10/20	30
3	20/40	30
Break	color up T5s	20
4	25/50	30
5	50/100	30
6	75/150	30
7	100/200	30
8	150/300	30
Break	color up T25s	5
9	200/400	25
10	300/600	25
11	400/800	25
12	500/1000	25
13	600/1200	20
14	800/1600	20
15	1000/2000	20

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Start with 5k stacks. It's not really deeper, but it's a bit smoother in the middle of the tourney. It speeds up after round 10 and should end about the same time (round 13-14ish if you typically last 6-6.5 hours).

Level	Blinds	Time (minutes)
1	25/50	30
2	50/100	30
3	100/200	30
4	150/300	30
Break	color up T25s	20
5	200/400	30
6	300/600	30
7	400/800	30
8	500/1000	30
9	800/1600	25
Break	color up T100	5
10	1000/2000	25
11	1500/3000	25
12	2000/4000	25
13	3000/6000	20
14	4000/8000	20
15	5000/10000	20

 

[navels]

Thanks!

 

[BGinGA]

T10K starting stacks (100 BB)
L1-L4 = 30 minutes
L5-end = 25 minutes

lvl sb bb
L1 50 100
L2 75 150
L3 100 200
L4 150 300
remove T25 chips
L5 200 400
L6 300 600
L7 400 800
L8 600 1200
L9 800 1600
remove T100 chips
L10 1000 2000
L11 1500 3000
L12 2000 4000
L13 3000 6000
L14 4000 8000 ** EOT
remove T500 chips
L15 6000 12000
L16 8000 16000
L17 10000 20000

Structure Will typically run no longer than 6 hours plus breaks. Stacks aren't any deeper, however -- still 100BB to start (same as 5/10 blinds with T1000) -- although it will play much deeper since the early blind levels don't double.

To get true deeper stacks and retain the same overall time frame, the blind level times would need to be shortened. For example, all of these variations below would run about 6 hours or less (plus breaks):

T25K starting stacks (250 BB)
L1-L4 = 25 minutes
L5-end = 20 minutes

T20K starting stacks (200 BB)
L1-L4 = 30 minutes
L5-end = 20 minutes

T15K starting stacks (150 BB)
L1-end = 25 minutes

 

[BGinGA]

Start with 5k stacks. It's not really deeper, but it's a bit smoother in the middle of the tourney. It speeds up after round 10 and should end about the same time (round 13-14ish if you typically last 6-6.5 hours).

Level	Blinds	Time (minutes)
1	25/50	30
2	50/100	30
3	100/200	30
4	150/300	30
Break	color up T25s	20
5	200/400	30
6	300/600	30
7	400/800	30
8	500/1000	30
9	800/1600	25
Break	color up T100	5
10	1000/2000	25
11	1500/3000	25
12	2000/4000	25
13	3000/6000	20
14	4000/8000	20
15	5000/10000	20

And shame on you for suggesting not one but two 100% jumps right off the bat when given an opportunity to improve. May as well just start 'em with 25BB to begin with and call a spade 5K turbo a spade 5K turbo.

 

[navels]

Thanks! I think for starters I'll keep the stack depth the same as before, T5K. It is going to be enough of a mind-boggling change for some of these guys to switch to T25.

 

[BGinGA]

It's not the size of the stack that matters, it's the number of blinds that are represented.

 

[navels]

It's not the size of the stack that matters, it's the number of blinds that are represented.

yep, yep, typing too fast and pulled the number off the wrong post. T10K for sure. thanks!

 

[navels]

maybe I can move the starting time up a half hour and start with 25/50 . . . 200BBs.

 

[andy699669]

maybe I can move the starting time up a half hour and start with 25/50 . . . 200BBs.

Add also 25/75.

 

[navels]

Ah, could start earlier and make all the levels 25 minutes.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

And shame on you for suggesting not one but two 100% jumps right off the bat when given an opportunity to improve. May as well just start 'em with 25BB to begin with and call a spade 5K turbo a spade 5K turbo.

Yeah, I know. I've always struggled with that first part of a tourney.

When your smallest chip is T25 and your first round is 25/50, there's almost nothing you can do except double it. There's always the option of starting with a 25/25 round which adds more early deep game, but you'll have to shave a round off later (or trim time off all rounds) to stay within OP's time constraints. You could also add a 75/150 round with the same caveat.

I guess for me, if I have to sacrifice smooth increases, I'd rather do it early than mid-tourney - especially since this is a rebuy format, and the big jumps don't hurt quite so badly if players are just planning to aggro it up and rebuy anyway.

I'm also not a fan of my jump from 500/1000 to 800/1600. I like a 600/1200 round in there, but again I chose to live with it rather than decrease round times to shove in an extra round.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

yep, yep, typing too fast and pulled the number off the wrong post. T10K for sure. thanks!

Yeah, I probably should have suggested that too. It's what my tourney group does - 10k to start and a prepaid 10k rebuy (so essentially 20k). It seems unintuitive, but quadrupling the starting stack really only extends the tournament by a couple of rounds, since you're really just compensating for the 2x jump in rounds 2 and 3.

 

[Darson]

Now I'm no expert but what I've found works with my lot is having the 25/50 and 50/100 blinds last 30 minutes and then we do 15 minute blind levels with a 33-50% increase between levels. Although the first blinds jump is 100%, having the level last twice as long evens it out. Usually the starting few orbits are a bit slow as people get back into the swing of things, catching up with buddies, stuffing their faces etc so the longer level blinds works OK. Basically the first hour is a "warm up".

 

[guyfleegman]

I like T2000 starting stacks with blinds starting at 10/20.
Still 100 BB
Don’t have to double blinds on starting levels
Just add 2 500 chips per player.

10-10-7-2-bounty...
30 chip tubes for the win.

 

[Lemonzest]

T10K starting stacks (100 BB)
L1-L4 = 30 minutes
L5-end = 25 minutes

lvl sb bb
L1 50 100
L2 75 150
L3 100 200
L4 150 300
remove T25 chips
L5 200 400
L6 300 600
L7 400 800
L8 600 1200
L9 800 1600
remove T100 chips
L10 1000 2000
L11 1500 3000
L12 2000 4000
L13 3000 6000
L14 4000 8000 ** EOT
remove T500 chips
L15 6000 12000
L16 8000 16000
L17 10000 20000

Structure Will typically run no longer than 6 hours plus breaks. Stacks aren't any deeper, however -- still 100BB to start (same as 5/10 blinds with T1000) -- although it will play much deeper since the early blind levels don't double.

To get true deeper stacks and retain the same overall time frame, the blind level times would need to be shortened. For example, all of these variations below would run about 6 hours or less (plus breaks):

T25K starting stacks (250 BB)
L1-L4 = 25 minutes
L5-end = 20 minutes

T20K starting stacks (200 BB)
L1-L4 = 30 minutes
L5-end = 20 minutes

T15K starting stacks (150 BB)
L1-end = 25 minutes

Hey Dave, nevermind. I found your suggested structure where you posted it before. thanks!