Casino poker vs Home games (2 Viewers)

[Taghkanic]

Ignoring Taghanic has contributed to protecting my nerves.
I guess he can be a nice dude in person, but online he is distinguished for his dogged persistence on his reality-proof doctrines.

I guess I must apologize for anatomizing canned received ideas (“chips must have denoms,” “two color decks are better”) or challenging unsupported and dubious boasts (“I win 80BB/hour running a completely transparent basic strategy”).

 

[jxfan]

I've found that bluffing at the casino works much less than bluffing at a home game, both as the bluffer and bluff catcher Definitely have a preference towards playing home games, but I second the challenge of observing and reading unknown opponents at the casino!

I just love playing poker..I like home games for the social aspect but I try to get to the casinos for at least one session a month..I enjoy the challenge of observing and reading unknown opponents and keeping that part of my poker game sharp. So I guess I fall into the don't mind either way group as I enjoy both. I don't play high enough stakes that the financial aspect makes a difference in my decision, I just love to play..

 

[Old State]

I've found that bluffing at the casino works much less than bluffing at a home game, both as the bluffer and bluff catcher Definitely have a preference towards playing home games, but I second the challenge of observing and reading unknown opponents at the casino!

Bluffs don’t work at casinos (at least at small stakes) because the players are usually only paying attention to their own hand. They don’t even realize they should be scared of another hand…or they think most people betting in to them are always bluffing. You don’t need to read most opponents in low stakes games because they are playing their cards in very simple and often obvious manners. Bluffing is also harder in the casino because there are way to many multiway pots

 

[Old State]

So you can’t in fact cite even one hand history to show how your Watching Paint Dry Strategy works. Got it

More desperate gibberish

I guess I must apologize for anatomizing canned received ideas (“chips must have denoms,” “two color decks are better”) or challenging unsupported and dubious boasts (“I win 80BB/hour running a completely transparent basic strategy”).

You do realize there is a very popular YouTube poker vlog trend of making $100 an hour at 1-3 video series? There are at least 4 guys I know of doing this over multiple sessions…and they are doing it by playing disciplined but straight forward poker. Anyone suggesting you should be using fancy moves in low stakes games is a buffoon. Thats actually how you LOSE money in low stakes. This is commonly accepted poker strategy for low limits and has been for decades

Winning $60-80 /hr consistently at 1-3 casino poker is NOT that hard.

 

[Old State]

That win rate is astronomical! I thought 20BB/hr was good...

If you are struggling beating $1-3 games watch videos like this….the “every hand” videos. These games are almost exactly what I experience. The only ones that play different are the Texas games which play a lot looser and bigger than any place I’ve ever played.


If you are in So Cal it’s doubtful you are going to be playing the exact same players every time either. That is not something you need to concern yourself with most likely. It’s an absurd proposition

 

[valleychips]

If you are struggling beating $1-3 games watch videos like this….the “every hand” videos. These games are almost exactly what I experience. The only ones that play different are the Texas games which play a lot looser and bigger than any place I’ve ever played.


If you are in So Cal it’s doubtful you are going to be playing the exact same players every time either. That is not something you need to concern yourself with most likely. It’s an absurd proposition

Thanks for this. I can check his videos out. I'm beating 2-3 pretty nicely, but my goal was eventually 20BB/hr as I keep improving. I was surprised to hear that 25BB+ was seemingly routinely possible.

 

[Old State]

Thanks for this. I can check his videos out. I'm beating 2-3 pretty nicely, but my goal was eventually 20BB/hr as I keep improving. I was surprised to hear that 25BB+ was seemingly routinely possible.

I never think of things in BBs. Every game plays different. Some $1-3 games have an opening raise of $10 others are $12-15. It makes the game play totally different as far as pot sizes. Also, in almost every big win session the majority of my winnings came from 2-5 pots. For me it’s about how long I can stay. Eventually you will get in some big pots and win.

There was a night last summer at Borgata where a drunk kid aggressive kid was messing the table dynamics up so bad that people were folding and trying to to wait an pick up a big hand to take his stack. Of course I was completely card dead . Ended up down about $200 in 5 hours. The table broke up and I went to another. Within 45 mins I was up $250 for the night.

On my last trip to Boston Encore I won most my money in three hands …two from the same guy. First pot I was on the BB with AA. He was in the low jack raised and when it got to me I three bet. Everyone folded except him who called. I flopped a set and checked to him. He puts ME all in. I call and beat his set of 3’s. There was no need to for him to put me all in there. It was a stupid move. Later the exact same thing happened but I flopped the nut flush and he flopped two pair. Totally stupid on his part and not paying attention at all that I had mostly shown strong hands the whole time.

Later an old Asian man who didnt speak English sat down. He simply couldn’t fold top pair. He opened with a weak raise to $8 on the button. I called with 45 suited. Flop came A45. I checked to him, he bets $25 and I reraise to $200 putting him all in knowing he would call anything with an Ace. He did!. This stuff happens all the time in low stakes casino poker. If you control your loses by not hero calling or limping into pots all night you can win big.

It’s usually that simple. At my home game NO ONE would make those plays.

 

[valleychips]

I never think of things in BBs. Every game plays different. Some $1-3 games have an opening raise of $10 others are $12-15. It makes the game play totally different as far as pot sizes. Also, in almost every big win session the majority of my winnings came from 2-5 pots. For me it’s about how long I can stay. Eventually you will get in some big pots and win.

There was a night last summer at Borgata where a drunk kid aggressive kid was messing the table dynamics up so bad that people were folding and trying to to wait an pick up a big hand to take his stack. Of course I was completely card dead . Ended up down about $200 in 5 hours. The table broke up and I went to another. Within 45 mins I was up $250 for the night.

On my last trip to Boston Encore I won most my money in three hands …two from the same guy. First pot I was on the BB with AA. He was in the low jack raised and when it got to me I three bet. Everyone folded except him who called. I flopped a set and checked to him. He puts ME all in. I call and beat his set of 3’s. There was no need to for him to put me all in there. It was a stupid move. Later the exact same thing happened but I flopped the nut flush and he flopped two pair. Totally stupid on his part and not paying attention at all that I had mostly shown strong hands the whole time.

Later an old Asian man who didnt speak English sat down. He simply couldn’t fold top pair. He opened with a weak raise to $8 on the button. I called with 45 suited. Flop came A45. I checked to him, he bets $25 and I reraise to $200 putting him all in knowing he would call anything with an Ace. He did!. This stuff happens all the time in low stakes casino poker. If you control your loses by not hero calling or limping into pots all night you can win big.

It’s usually that simple. At my home game NO ONE would make those plays.

Just for clarity: you said you make $80/hr at 1-3. Is that separate from the 2-5 or do the 2-5 winnings factor into your $80/hr win rate? If so, what's your "1-3 only" win rate (dollars or in BB)? Again, this is me trying to understand if better than 20BB/hr is realistically achievable and sustainable at three dollar big blinds. Thanks.

 

[davesilver88]

I like both!

Home games is a great way to meet people, be sociable, give some action, and generally have a good time.

Casino is also great for competition, patience, discipline. And at the right table it also can be very sociable.

 

[Old State]

Just for clarity: you said you make $80/hr at 1-3. Is that separate from the 2-5 or do the 2-5 winnings factor into your $80/hr win rate? If so, what's your "1-3 only" win rate (dollars or in BB)? Again, this is me trying to understand if better than 20BB/hr is realistically achievable and sustainable at three dollar big blinds. Thanks.

$1/3 only. I haven’t played $2/5 at a casino in a while. I believe it’s a bit easier to win at a higher hourly rate at $1/3 than $2/5. The $2/5 players tend to be more LAG players. Also younger and less risk adverse. $1/3 players are loose but very passive and there are much fewer tough choices to make in hands. I may start playing again but my poker buddies who are beating $2/5 regularly don’t seem to have a win rate much higher than mine at $1/3….but their variance is far more dramatic. I probably should play it more though

If your win rate at $1/3 isn’t as high as you like I can almost guarantee it’s for a few reasons - you are limping in to see too many flops out of position for cheap, your are hero calling aggressive play from bad players, you are unable to fold a hand like top pair top kicker when a fish suddenly starts betting or raising, or you are trying to bluff the fish.

You can play very predictable in low takes games cause no one‘s paying attention to your play….even the regulars. When you have a good hand, you need to be raising or three betting to limit the amount of players in the pot. When you have a speculative hand or drawing hand try to see cards for cheap then pop them when you hit your hand. Very few players will notice your predictable play. One thing you might notice is that if there are solid players that seem to be regulars, they will often change tables if they notice you were playing well. They want to be the only guy at the table doing that and you are cutting into their profits.

 

[Old State]

Thanks for this. I can check his videos out. I'm beating 2-3 pretty nicely, but my goal was eventually 20BB/hr as I keep improving. I was surprised to hear that 25BB+ was seemingly routinely possible.

What’s the rake in CA? What are they taking for high hand, bad beat.? I think the rake in CA is a lot more than Vegas and AC. Don’t discount the impact of that

 

[valleychips]

$7 if a hand goes all the way, at least in the LA casinos I frequent.

 

[Defarse]

I play exclusively tournaments. Home games are fun but sitting in a big tournament at a casino with complete strangers is a rush.

 

[Taghkanic]

More desperate gibberish

The fact that you can’t manage to recount even a single example confirms that your understanding of poker fundamentals is rudimentary, and further makes me doubt your claims.

Tell us about a hand:

- What was your position and chip stack
- What cards did you hold
- What villain(s) were in the hand and what were their images and stacks
- What was the action and how exactly did you induce someone to stack off with worse
- How is this strategy replicable more than once in a blue moon.

You do realize there is a very popular YouTube poker vlog trend of making $100 an hour at 1-3 video series? There are at least 4 guys I know of doing this over multiple sessions…and they are doing it by playing disciplined but straight forward poker. Anyone suggesting you should be using fancy moves in low stakes games is a buffoon. Thats actually how you LOSE money in low stakes. This is commonly accepted poker strategy for low limits and has been for decades

Winning $60-80 /hr consistently at 1-3 casino poker is NOT that hard.

I am well aware of many such vlogs and podcasts, including (say) Hungry Horse’s channel, and the guy you posted a clip of above — Live Poker Guide, whose YouTube channel is quite good, even if he talks kind of like Yakov Smirnov…

But none of these coaches recommemd a rock strategy such as you describe to achieve even 50BB/hr let alone 100. Not at all.

In fact, they describe ways to exploit guys like you.

 

[Old State]

I am well aware of many such vlogs and podcasts, including (say) Hungry Horse’s channel, and the guy you posted a clip of above — Live Poker Guide, whose YouTube channel is quite good, even if he talks kind of like Yakov Smirnov…

But none of these coaches recommemd a rock strategy such as you describe to achieve even 50BB/hr let alone 100. Not at all.

In fact, they describe ways to exploit guys like you.

Double down on the gibberish. I have no clue what your a droning on about as I barely skim your posts. It’s all self aggrandizing nonsense

Rock strategy? . Yeah …you just acknowledged you aren’t even paying attention to anything I said. You just see my posts and comment to contrary…whatever the topic is. You are a clownish manchild.

As for those videos…anyone can go watch them and quickly see that they are playing exactly the way I describe.

 

[Taghkanic]

Double down on the gibberish. I have no clue what your a droning on about as I barely skim your posts. It’s all self aggrandizing nonsense

Rock strategy? . Yeah …you just acknowledged you aren’t even paying attention to anything I said. You just see my posts and comment to contrary…whatever the topic is. You are a clownish manchild.

As for those videos…anyone can go watch them and quickly see that they are playing exactly the way I describe.

Still waiting to see if Old State can figure out how to describe even one hand involving his master strategy.

If you really think you can win 80BB/hour just waiting to catch big hands every 90-120 minutes, and getting paid off every time... Maybe you should start a vlog. You’ll get millions of followers.

Anyway, it’s becoming amply clear that you can’t understanding the lessons of those videos, but rather are just cherrypicking small parts which suit your belief. Because those vlogs don’t advocate your strategy at all.

Much as you are only skimming posts here to avoid actually having to justify dubious and improbable claims.

 

[Old State]

Still waiting to see if Old State can figure out how to describe even one hand involving his master strategy.

If you really think you can win 80BB/hour just waiting to catch big hands every 90-120 minutes, and getting paid off every time... Maybe you should start a vlog. You’ll get millions of followers.

Anyway, it’s becoming amply clear that you can’t understanding the lessons of those videos, but rather are just cherrypicking small parts which suit your belief. Because those vlogs don’t advocate your strategy at all.

Much as you are only skimming posts here to avoid actually having to justify dubious and improbable claims.

You clearly don’t “know my strategy”…..but you will make it into whatever you dont like. You are the king of the strawman argument. You have no idea how ridiculous and pathetic this sounds. Your self awareness is zero .

 

[Taghkanic]

You clearly don’t “know my strategy”…..

You can't even describe your strategy in a single hand.

 

[Old State]

You can't even describe your strategy in a single hand.

I’ve described it plenty in this thread. It’s not “my strategy”. You are a complete buffoon . It’s the strategy many many people use to beat low stakes games. It’s exactly as this vlogers describe….exactly. Continue with your desperate strawman arguments.

The fact you go on the attack out of the blue in a poker strategy discussion shows how deeply odd and insecure of a person you are. I’ve never been in a poker argument here except for one other weirdo that took it personally that I can keep Kem cards flat. You two are by far the most childish people in this forum…on second thought it’s just you. I haven’t seen that guy bizarrely attacking Kem card users in a few years to be honest

 

[Old State]

$7 if a hand goes all the way, at least in the LA casinos I frequent.

This guy is now showing up on my feed. This table plays exactly like the games in AC, Vegas, Boston, and PA where I play. He runs well but it also shows boated the pots get even with weaker holdings. I’ve honed my strategy to play almost exactly like this guy and these types of videos helps quite a bit.

In this video he also give a lot of sound low stakes advice…like respecting check raises from fish and not trying to bluff bad players too much…unless you know something about them. Also about betting to extract the most value because they will not fold if they have anything on the board.

 

[Taghkanic]

I’ve described it plenty in this thread. It’s not “my strategy”.

Describe a hand where you got paid off. Just one. You keep typing and typing... everything except that.

 

[LotsOfChips]

FFS, can you two please just drop it

 

[PlaidDragon]

Describe a hand where you got paid off. Just one. You keep typing and typing... everything except that.

I raised 3x from UTG with in the last tourney I held at my house. Everyone folded and I got "paid off" with the blinds. WOO!!!

I know I'm out of context and not part of this argument, but I couldn't resist an opportunity to gripe.......

 

[LotsOfChips]

Last night I was in a tournament in late position. Blinds were something like 100/200. EP raised to 2000, gets one caller in MP. I reraise to 8000. EP says "when the tightest player at the table reraises, it's time to fold". MP takes the hint and folds as well.

So people do pay attention, IME

 

[ekricket]

I never think of things in BBs. Every game plays different.

@WedgeRock, lol

 

[WedgeRock]

@WedgeRock, lol

He's talking cash games, not tournaments.

 

[Old State]

@WedgeRock, lol

This tread is about cash games isn’t it?

 

[ekricket]

This tread is about cash games isn’t it?

You might change the title then. A lot of casinos I know of and a lot of home games I know of deal tournaments.

I raised 3x from UTG with in the last tourney I

Last night I was in a tournament in late position.

It is confusing for some of us. Particularly since the OP didn’t specify.

 

[PlaidDragon]

I was just sharing an experience for the purpose of being absurd.... and the off-chance i'd get a laugh out of it.

 

[Old State]

You might change the title then. A lot of casinos I know of and a lot of home games I know of deal tournaments.

It’s not my thread. Cash poker is the most common home and casino. Cash poker in a casino runs 24/7. It what most likely think we are talking about