Cash Game Cash Game Breakdown (1 Viewer)

[jbomb1018]

Alright everyone, I have a custom CPC set designed and now trying to decide on the breakdown of each chip. I can't decide what I want to do, I want to get enough that I won't have to get more later on especially with custome chips the colors could be different later on down the road. This is the break down I have come up with; and keeping mind I am one that likes more chips on the table, also the $2s are for a small 1/2 limit set.

.25- 300
$1- 300
$2- 100
$5- 200

 

[JustinInMN]

I think you should play all singles in 1/2 limit (and 2/4 limit for that matter.) Really twos aren't useful for limit unless you are playing at least 4/8.

Placing one chip in a limit pot makes for awkward issues if a player accidentally drops extra in.

If we are talking single table, I can't see a circumstance where you would want more than 100 quarters, unless you were actually planning to play your limit games using all quarters.

So to keep you at 900 chips, I would suggest something like 100/500/200/100 of 0.25/1/5/20 This will accommodate limit games using all singles, but still be enough quarters and fives for 0.25-0.25 or 0.25-0.50 blind no limit games. If you think you would play larger NL stakes, get more fives. The twenties are useful in limit games using singles for color ups (swap barrel per chip) and to bulk your bank in case you get much higher buy ins than expected.

So I guess I am making a lot of assumptions about your planned NL stakes, but lots of singles is the answer for all limit games unless you think you will be playing at least as high as 4/8.

 

[jbomb1018]

I think you should play all singles in 1/2 limit (and 2/4 limit for that matter.) Really twos aren't useful for limit unless you are playing at least 4/8.

Placing one chip in a limit pot makes for awkward issues if a player accidentally drops extra in.

If we are talking single table, I can't see a circumstance where you would want more than 100 quarters, unless you were actually planning to play your limit games using all quarters.

So to keep you at 900 chips, I would suggest something like 100/500/200/100 of 0.25/1/5/20 This will accommodate limit games using all singles, but still be enough quarters and fives for 0.25-0.25 or 0.25-0.50 blind no limit games. If you think you would play larger NL stakes, get more fives. The twenties are useful in limit games using singles for color ups (swap barrel per chip) and to bulk your bank in case you get much higher buy ins than expected.

So I guess I am making a lot of assumptions about your planned NL stakes, but lots of singles is the answer for all limit games unless you think you will be playing at least as high as 4/8.

No probably won't be doing 4/8 the most I could see is a 2/4..... maaaaybe a 3/6 limit.
With the quarters, im worried that 100 everyone will be having to make change all the time with each other. Alot of players just limp so I could see the quarters becoming an issue as the game goes on. And most of the time it will be a single table 8 or 9 max as well for some more info on the game.

 

[JustinInMN]

With the quarters, im worried that 100 everyone will be having to make change all the time with each other. Alot of players just limp so I could see the quarters becoming an issue as the game goes on. And most of the time it will be a single table 8 or 9 max as well for some more info on the game.

There is a balance here to consider for sure. Too many quarters just sit in stacks and become a liability when you have to count an all in stack or cash a player out.

100 is a little more than 11 per player at 9-max, that should be good for most limps, and player get pretty good at making change. In my experience, that is more than enough when I used to host 0.25-0.50 games.

On an aside, I just found your design thread:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/1st-custom-cpc-set-all-in-poker.68607/

Very cool. I know I suggested forgoing the two, but it is a pretty chip, but really 100 of them won't be useful for any games you are considering. You could repurpose that as a 0.50 frac instead of a 0.25. You can get away with even fewer 0.50 fracs on the table if your no limit blinds are 0.50-0.50 or 0.50-1, but the downside to that is you can't go all the way down to 0.25-0.25 blinds. So I think you need to decide what buy-ins and blinds are good for games you would host.

And as a matter of personal taste, I prefer blue singles to white singles, so maybe what you do is use your current two as a frac, either quarter or half, and then use your current quarter as your dollar?

There are ways to go with this, and I know CPC's are expensive, I would hate for you to spend on any chips that don't serve your hosting goals.

Hope this helps.

 

[Pinesol13]

If it's a single table 9 max, and you prefer to have moar chips rather than making change at the table, I'd say you need 180-200 Quarters at the most. Everyone can get a barrel, that should be plenty.

25c 200
$1 300
$5 180
$20/$25 20

 

[jbomb1018]

There is a balance here to consider for sure. Too many quarters just sit in stacks and become a liability when you have to count an all in stack or cash a player out.

100 is a little more than 11 per player at 9-max, that should be good for most limps, and player get pretty good at making change. In my experience, that is more than enough when I used to host 0.25-0.50 games.

On an aside, I just found your design thread:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/1st-custom-cpc-set-all-in-poker.68607/

Very cool. I know I suggested forgoing the two, but it is a pretty chip, but really 100 of them won't be useful for any games you are considering. You could repurpose that as a 0.50 frac instead of a 0.25. You can get away with even fewer 0.50 fracs on the table if your no limit blinds are 0.50-0.50 or 0.50-1, but the downside to that is you can't go all the way down to 0.25-0.25 blinds. So I think you need to decide what buy-ins and blinds are good for games you would host.

And as a matter of personal taste, I prefer blue singles to white singles, so maybe what you do is use your current two as a frac, either quarter or half, and then use your current quarter as your dollar?

There are ways to go with this, and I know CPC's are expensive, I would hate for you to spend on any chips that don't serve your hosting goals.

Hope this helps.

I like the idea of the frac being the design of the $2 chip! I will have to try it out and see how it looks! I think I am going to get rid of the $2 all together as well and go with more $1s.CPC is expensive so trying to figure out a good breakdown that I have enough even if I get two tables going even though I don't see that happening for a cash game.

 

[Littleluck55]

I tried to introduce a $2 chip into my 2/4 limit game and it was a nightmare. Everyone all confused. We used them once and never used them again.

 

[jbomb1018]

Thanks for the info, a previous set I had, had $2 chips and thought it was cool, but thinking about and hearing some different points of view I'm leaning towards not doing it and getting some more $1s and $5s in its place, and hopefully save me some money

 

[philhut]

I'd have a hard time with a $2 chip as well, which is why I have not included one in my custom sloth set order. 2/5 NL to me should be 2.50/5 NL or the math gets weird after a few soda's. Unless you plan to rake your game then a $2 chip could work.

the breakdown I have for primary HSI allows for basically any stakes up to the point of requiring security at the door lol
$1-700
$2.50-200
$5-900
$25-460
$100-250
$500-150
$1000-40 (plaques)
$5000-20 (plaques)
I'd debated what to do for a 25cent and or 50cent chip option....for now I have 50c crazy horse chips and NCV "25" 36mm Cincinnati chips that could play as quarters.(pictures of each below)

With that breakdown I can play ~three tables of cash and/or three table tournaments. I can play a tournament with the same set keeping the cash chips and tourney chips separate for the night. While the $25-$5k play in the tournament of whatever design....the 1's and 5's are free for a cash game of .50/1, 1/2 or 2.5/5,ete for players eliminated from the main tournament. If this is done and $ becomes an issue my plan would be to play $50 Crazy Horse Casino chips from Strait Poker Supplies. As a rule I never play a chip as tournament chip and cash chip on the same night ever. This prevents any incidents, mistakes of math or other errors. Best to recount your chips when cashing out and not have a problem. (Customs will reduce even more potential problems obviously as well). If the player interest is more into cash games this set will allow 3 tables of cash game at various stakes then I can use the 36mm NCV small set that I picked up from Apache for a 1-2 table sit and go/limited rebuy game. Because of Gov't imposed "love", these chips have not yet seen the felt for action. But will soon hopefully, What an awesome game it would be to have them all in action at once.....oh my!

the 50c chips are on clearance right now at straitpokersupplies linked above.

 

[jbomb1018]

What would the recommendation be for a two table breakdown? If I'm going to buy these chips I want to make sure I have enough then.

 

[philhut]

What would the recommendation be for a two table breakdown? If I'm going to buy these chips I want to make sure I have enough then.

two tables for a cash game? or two tables 1 a tourney, then another cash?......and down the rabbit hole we go.......

I like to have breakdowns that can provide for at least 1 table a full rack of the small blind and then the rest of the chip stack provided in the initial buy in being primarily made up of or entirely made up of the next denomination of chip up..... thus for 1/2 NL each player gets 20-1's and 36-5's in the initial buy in of $200max. then any rebuys can be supplied in the next higher denomination chip a $10, $20, or $25....or even $19 chip if your so inclined.

So for cash with an initial buy in lets say 10 players per table to make math easy to ensure you have more than enough chips for your game (For sure)
small blind chip x 200 chips
4-5x small Blind Chip x Enough chips to cover the initial buy in (not counting the small blinds to allow for change) 360+40 (for change) 400 chips
4x-5x your previous denomination-- x ~100 (+to your budgetary comfort)
The Premier Chip....100-200x your small blind x 20-40 chips (+to your budgetary comfort)
Total ~720-740/table by that formula can't really go wrong with that math for whatever stakes you plan to field for a cash game where you can field deep stacks like a casino for a full table.

For tourneys I like using 25/100/500/1000/5000
Chip stacks are given out as
25-in multiples of 8, 12, 16 or 20
100- in multiples 8, 12, 16, 20 (usually matching with the same # of 25's given)
500- depending on how many rebuys are offered plan on at least 40 chips per table
1000- depending on how many rebuys plan on at least 40 chips per table
5000- 10 chips should do it but order 20.....

what i'd consider the minimum and in brackets my recommended # of chips per table/set to get occasional +1 table options
25- 120 chips (recommend at least 160* comfortable 240)
100-120 chips (recommend at least 160*comfortable 240
500- 40 chips (recommend at least 60*comfortable 120)
1000- 60 chips (recommend at least 80*comfortable 120)
5000- 10 chips (recommend at least 20 but don't get carried away 30-40 is enough)
Min 330 , (recommended at least 480*) the "at least" option gives you the ability to run a two table game with stacks of 8/8/2/3 for a 5k sit and go, if you buy 20 5k chips you can then have a 10k sit and go for two tables and if you buy * extra to be comfortable you won't have to worry about color ups and with 240 of the 25/100 denominations in the comfort range you can pinch out to 3 tables.