Canceled Casablanca set mint 400chips - SCAM - DO NOT BUY (2 Viewers)

Hi all I sell a beautiful set of casblanca paulson in mint confition

100x5$
100x25$
100x100$
50x 500$
50x 1000$ oversized
1x dealer button

Not interested to split, or if all left, sending in one usa adress who dispatch in conus

Asking 1100$ includ basic shipping with tracking number

 

[markleteenie]

Ill take em!!!

Now there's a gambler.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

He did also use those HS Secondaries photos on a sale last year... that one seemed to go through ok though??

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/hs-clev-25-100-500-5k-secondary.19787/#post-362512

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

@Juliuslemac

 

[markleteenie]

Ill take em!!!

I got a liter from the fountain of youth too if you are interested. $100,000,000 CONUS, International buyers pay actual shipping cost - $7.

 

[albatros63]

For information he said to me that the set was already reserved when i've asked him couple of minutes after the thread was created.

 

[Tommy]

Based upon a for sale ad on another website, multiple members sent PayPal info, under market price for these and other chips I must call BS on this ad. I accept personal responsibility for thread crapping. I must protest and warn others to NOT buy from this seller. It is a shame that someone would do this. I was shown picture evidence of this scam.

Sincerely,
Joe

This doesn't constitute thread crapping. You have a valid concern that a scam could be taking place.

@Tommy

You guys are handling it just fine. The OP did change their email and Location this morning. In conjunction with what you guys are posting, its very suspicious.

 

[lapincretin]

All the picture come from old ads found on the web and the prices do not correspond to reality. Fake.

 

[BGinGA]

 

[Lemonzest]

All the picture come from old ads found on the web and the prices do not correspond to reality. Fake.

Maybe you could call your Russian friends and pay him a visit...

 

[lapincretin]

Maybe you could call your Russian friends and pay him a visit...

In my opinion the guy was hacked his computer and his accounts from somewhere.

 

[ekricket]

In my opinion the guy was hacked his computer and his accounts from somewhere.

Damn Nooker.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Might be a reason to change classified requirements..... Perhaps bump minimum required posts to something like 50 and maybe 20 post in the last 6 months or something. Just spitballing, but this shit seems to be happening a lot in the last 18 months, might was well be a little proactive to help protect the community.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

Might be a reason to change classified requirements..... Perhaps bump minimum required posts to something like 50 and maybe 20 post in the last 6 months or something. Just spitballing, but this shit seems to be happening a lot in the last 18 months, might was well be a little proactive to help protect the community.

I wish it was easy/possible but it wouldn't stop people they'd just have to put in another few minutes of work. This case was either actual hacking of an account or the seller was a legitimate chipper who ended up getting in a bad spot and saw this as the easiest / only way to get the money they needed.

What would be more effective is if people (like me) were slower to jump on great deals and did more due diligence even if it meant the seller ends up deciding to sell to someone else. In the end we're all adults and we need to be our own first line of defense.

 

[RocAFella1]

I think the best is to rely on feedback and pay using goods and services for unestablished sellers. Or even have them ship first if sending to a respected member.

 

[Lemonzest]

Might be a reason to change classified requirements..... Perhaps bump minimum required posts to something like 50 and maybe 20 post in the last 6 months or something. Just spitballing, but this shit seems to be happening a lot in the last 18 months, might was well be a little proactive to help protect the community.

Agreed. Part of the problem is people want to jump on good deals and pay fast. This can kind of short circuit the critical thinking part of our minds.

 

[BGinGA]

Yeah, this sounds more like a hijacked account incident than bad member intentions. It's always prudent when dealing with somebody not well known to be on the cautious side, especially if it sounds too good to be true.

 

[RocAFella1]

Agreed. Part of the problem is people want to jump on good deals and pay fast. This can kind of short circuit the critical thinking part of our minds.

Another argument to honor sales based in order of posting in the thread. If everyone tries to jump on the deal via PM deal, it only exposes more people to possible bad dealings. Post in thread then do due diligence without fear of someone else trying to jump the deal.

 

[Lemonzest]

Another argument to honor sales based in order of posting in the thread. If everyone tries to jump on the deal via PM deal, it only exposes more people to possible bad dealings. Post in thread then do due diligence without fear of someone else trying to jump the deal.

This isn't practical though unless enforced by admins. The current system already leaves space for frustration and people being disappointed about missing out. It seems fairly often there is confusion and frustration around sales especially when good deals arise.

Under the current system only way to truly lock up a sale is to send funds...hence the issue with fraud.... People are motivated to send quickly to ensure they lock up the "deal".

I am not against your idea just saying trying to enforce a social norm that only half or less of people adhere to isn't going to work. If you think its a "rule" and other people don't the result is frustration and anger. This is what we already see. Some people think posting in the thread locks the deal. Some people think PM locks the deal. Some people PM without every posting in the thread.... There is no established norm that everyone adheres to.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

I wish it was easy/possible but it wouldn't stop people they'd just have to put in another few minutes of work. This case was either actual hacking of an account or the seller was a legitimate chipper who ended up getting in a bad spot and saw this as the easiest / only way to get the money they needed.

What would be more effective is if people (like me) were slower to jump on great deals and did more due diligence even if it meant the seller ends up deciding to sell to someone else. In the end we're all adults and we need to be our own first line of defense.

Yeah, this sounds more like a hijacked account incident than bad member intentions. It's always prudent when dealing with somebody not well known to be on the cautious side, especially if it sounds too good to be true.

Which is why the idea of X amount of post in X amount of days or months before allowed to post a classified, I don't most hackers aren't going to spend that much time and effort and #2 if someone is padding their post count to post a classified it will raise some flags

 

[RowdyRawhide]

This isn't practical though unless enforced by admins. The current system already leaves space for frustration and people being disappointed about missing out. It seems fairly often there is confusion and frustration around sales especially when good deals arise.

Under the current system only way to truly lock up a sale is to send funds...hence the issue with fraud.... People are motivated to send quickly to ensure they lock up the "deal".

I am not against your idea just saying trying to enforce a social norm that only half or less of people adhere to isn't going to work. If you think its a "rule" and other people don't the result is frustration and anger. This is what we already see. Some people think posting in the thread locks the deal. Some people think PM locks the deal. Some people PM without every posting in the thread.... There is no established norm that everyone adheres to.

NO it would be so easy..... if you didn't post in the thread then you don't get the goods. And if you sell to an individual that didn't post in the classified thread then you should suffer consequences as a seller...wether it be by admins or by the community

 

[kk405]

Another argument to honor sales based in order of posting in the thread. If everyone tries to jump on the deal via PM deal, it only exposes more people to possible bad dealings. Post in thread then do due diligence without fear of someone else trying to jump the deal.

This isn't practical though unless enforced by admins. The current system already leaves space for frustration and people being disappointed about missing out. It seems fairly often there is confusion and frustration around sales especially when good deals arise.

Under the current system only way to truly lock up a sale is to send funds...hence the issue with fraud.... People are motivated to send quickly to ensure they lock up the "deal".

I am not against your idea just saying trying to enforce a social norm that only half or less of people adhere to isn't going to work. If you think its a "rule" and other people don't the result is frustration and anger. This is what we already see. Some people think posting in the thread locks the deal. Some people think PM locks the deal. Some people PM without every posting in the thread.... There is no established norm that everyone adheres to.

You both have valid points, but I am afraid the 'solution' would not be enforceable. Similar to posted rules for Auctions, and before that for Raffles, the admins can enforce certain rules for Classifieds, one of which could be that ALL dibs have to be first posted in the ad, then followed by a PM. This way there is never a dispute about the hierarchy of dibs and who should get the chips. But who should get the chips and who will end up with them are very different, even if you have the first dib.

The reality is that several prolific buyers of higher-end chips don't like to express their interest and eventual acquisition of certain chips via posting in the Classifieds. And some offer a higher price via PM, and the sellers decide to sell at the higher price. Lastly, just because someone thinks they have dibs on chips, doesn't mean they will get them, or are entitled to get them. There are several members that I will never sell any chips to, regardless of how many 'dibs' they post in my ads.

Lastly, I hardly ever see members posting negative reviews, despite the fact that some truly deserve it. Maybe there is a better mechanism to alert members of less than honorable dealings, rather than staying silent and leaving others to experience it for themselves.

 

[Lemonzest]

NO it would be so easy..... if you didn't post in the thread then you don't get the goods. And if you sell to an individual that didn't post in the classified thread then you should suffer consequences as a seller...wether it be by admins or by the community

I am not sure how you plan on convincing everyone of this. Again, not disagreeing just pointing out that having 50% of people on board doesn't work and results in confusion and frustration. You and I don't constitute critical mass

What consequences do you propose the community dole out to sellers who do not adhere to this?! How would that work?

If I am serious about wanting to buy I always post in the thread first followed by a speedy PM.

 

[Lemonzest]

There are several members that I will never sell any chips to, regardless of how many 'dibs' they post in my ads.

I think the seller should be free to do whatever they want.

I think admins have already made it clear that nothing will change...

I always post dibs in the thread followed by PM but I don't get butt-hurt if I don't get the chips. I leave the ultimate decision to the seller and don't feel entitled.

People with expectations about how things *should* be should align their expectations with reality to avoid being enraged.

There are also some people I don't like and if they post dibs first and someone that has done me some solids post dibs after them you better believe I will sell to the person I am more friendly with. Short of the admins enforcing I policy I have no plans to change that MO. It is not a popularity contest. I generally honor dibs but there are some situations where I wouldn't.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

I am not sure how you plan on convincing everyone of this. Again, not disagreeing just pointing out that having 50% of people on board doesn't work and results in confusion and frustration. You and I don't constitute critical mass

What consequences do you propose the community dole out to sellers who do not adhere to this?! How would that work?

If I am serious about wanting to buy I always post in the thread first followed by a speedy PM.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything....merely saying it would be easy to do. Obviously it would need to be changed and enforced by the admins. Us peons ain't gonna change nothin by ourselves

 

[RowdyRawhide]

There are also some people I don't like and if they post dibs first and someone that has done me some solids post dibs after them you better believe I will sell to the person I am more friendly with.

This is a slippery slope IMO. I understand if you have a list of blackballed members of your own, that's fine; but to start giving preferential treatment to better friends is going to cause a problem at some point. If you know you have something they want, then reach out to them before posting the ad

 

[WedgeRock]

Has anyone tried WedgeRock Escrow Service? For a small fee, you can be assured of a smooth transaction....

 

[guyfleegman]

How does he get two separate chip site accounts hacked?
I get it if they nab one account. Also, how does the hacker know anything about chips?
I call member in duress making a bad decision..

 

[Lemonzest]

This is a slippery slope IMO. I understand if you have a list of blackballed members of your own, that's fine; but to start giving preferential treatment to better friends is going to cause a problem at some point. If you know you have something they want, then reach out to them before posting the ad

I understand. That is why I said it is not a popularity contest. I have never actually not honored a dibs that I can remember. I was just posing a hypothetical in which case I would not feel bad at all about not honoring the dibs system.

 

[Kasper Storrs]

Edit* wait so legit user and account but it's been hacked?

 

[TheBigTater]

Drumhoss......... is that you, have you moved to France????