Cash Game Breakdown for 5/10 or 10/20 nl (1 Viewer)

[Mr Winberg]

I currently host 1/2 nl cash games, but will hopefully in the future host 5/10 or 10/20 (because I'm such a badass highroller! Or, because 10 SEK is just around 1 dollar... ), and I'm looking to future proof my set.

I currently have the following:
1: 200
5: 500
25: 200
100: 100
500: 25 (had to buy a roll, didn't I?)

Some 25 usually see play, but never the 100.

How would an ideal set for 5/10 or 10/20 look? Would I simply move the numbers one step, like this?
5: 200
25: 500
100: 200
500: 100
1000: 25 (I'll have to buy a roll, don't I?)

Thanks!

 

[HMK]

so...you really ever imagine you need a bank of a 100k and a bit?

 

[Mr Winberg]

No, not really, the 25 1000 was a nod to my ridiculous purchase of 25 500, which I only did because I liked them.

However, someone once wrote that one should at least cover 3 buyins per player. At 10/20 (equivalent to $1/$2) a buy in would be somewhere 2000-4000, depending on how many BBs are allowed. Times three is 6000-12000. If nine at the table that could be over 100k.

If you remove a zero, what is a good bank for 1/2 in dollars? Or 0.5/1?

 

[fieldsy]

I think you would still like to have a lot of 5s in play, especially in 5/10. 200 5s seems like too few, although it could probably be done. That's only a little more than a barrel of 5s per person, depending on your table size. I would prefer at least 2-3 barrels per person, which means probably 400-500 chips. Depends on how you like to play those games. I mean, even if you're using 25s as the workhorse chip, it still takes 4 $5 chips to make a bet of $45. I like to have a lot of chips available in cash games. So I think you would still want those 500 5s available, although you probably want at least 500 25s as well, if those are going to be used extensively. I think the two racks of $100 and rack of $500 would be enough, even at 10/20.

I don't think the 1k chip will really be necessary, although no one on here will discourage you from having more chips. I just don't see a big need for both $500 and $1k chips in the same cash game as $5 chips.

 

[Coyote]

The European school stands for only the minimum required chips per denomination and, if needed, one extra denomination.
The American school stands for endless piles of the workhorse denomination(s) of chips.
The European school generates problems of making change all the time, while the American school generates problems of counting the table value of all that clay as stacks or pots.
Middle ground should be ideal.
Total bank should be 500-600BB per player reasonably, or even 900-1000BB per player if players are ultra loose-aggressive or they feel the stakes are too low for them. Of course, this is going to be your game and you may cap it at the level you wish. "This is not a casino, @ssholes; you 've already enjoyed a rake-free game" could be your line

 

[Alex Lundstrum]

5	500	2,500
25	500	12,500
100	300	30,000
500	100	50,000
Total	1400	95,000

Which means adding 300x25, 200x100, and 75x500. Either skip the 1000 or go all out with ridiculously big plaques

 

[JustinInMN]

5: 200
25: 500
100: 200
500: 100
1000: 25 (I'll have to buy a roll, don't I?)

Yeah if you really think 10-20 is in your future I would do pretty much this.

The 25s will be the clear workhorse at both stakes, at 10-20 getting 100k in play is not unrealistic.

So maybe
200*5=1000
500*25=12,500
200*100=20,000
75*500=37,500
25*1000=25,000
=96 000
9 handed would be nearly 3 barrels of 25s per player. I think 100 5s are probably sufficient for 5-10, but you want more for 10-20 (or switch to 10-25).

 

[surfik]

It realy looks like sweet game. Skip 500 and go for 1000 plaques. One advice - buy them when you need them. First upgrade your game than chips.....

 

[Mr Winberg]

Good advice from all!

Just to be clear, I'm not upgrading any time soon. The 1/2 game I play now is equivalent to 10c/20c games, and most at PCF play above that, so I thought there's no harm in being ready.

About half the players like the stakes, half would like them raised (but are ok with them), so a small raise to 1/3 or 2/4 or something is in the near future.

One fall back I have is that by the time we're ready for 10/20, Sweden might have switched to euros, and we're back to 1/2!

 

[weak]

Sweden might have switched to euros

Thought you guys are going all in on cryptocurrency? I remember reading about plans for an E-Krona?

 

[Mr Winberg]

No, not yet. But you're not entirely wrong, because nobody uses cash over here.

We have something called Swish. The largest banks got together and created framework for sending money based on phone numbers. When transfering money (or "swishing" as we call it) the funds are available instantly, so it's not like a normal bank transfer. Just about everyone has it.

Except for old people or criminals, people in Sweden don't really use cash anymore. You shop using credit cards, debit cards, or swish, and all private transactions are done with swish. If you pay with cash in a store the cashier will make some joke about "I hope I remember how to do this...".

For cash games I write down all buy-ins, and when cashing out we'll settle the difference using swish. It works great, no hassle!

For tournaments I always demand cash, because I think that the cash on the table adds to the experience, but my players complain about this because they need withdraw these paper thingies that they never use anymore.

 

[HMK]

Honestly, i think we have taken the digital currency a step to far. By law you actually have to prove how you came by regular cash money, especially if you try to deposit that money to a bank.

Anyway, back to topic. I think you should try to advance the game prior to buying chips too. I fear if you're playing 1-2 sek now you're going to have a bit of an issue with the same People playing with 20sek blinds. I find it dificult to even get people playing a 200 sek sng. Sadly the poker culture isn't as rooted into the soul of the swedish people as I imagine it is in USA. It was fun during the boom tho.

Then again. Buying chips is fun.

 

[Marius L]

No, not yet. But you're not entirely wrong, because nobody uses cash over here.

We have something called Swish. The largest banks got together and created framework for sending money based on phone numbers. When transfering money (or "swishing" as we call it) the funds are available instantly, so it's not like a normal bank transfer. Just about everyone has it.

Except for old people or criminals, people in Sweden don't really use cash anymore. You shop using credit cards, debit cards, or swish, and all private transactions are done with swish. If you pay with cash in a store the cashier will make some joke about "I hope I remember how to do this...".

For cash games I write down all buy-ins, and when cashing out we'll settle the difference using swish. It works great, no hassle!

For tournaments I always demand cash, because I think that the cash on the table adds to the experience, but my players complain about this because they need withdraw these paper thingies that they never use anymore.

This is all very similar to how it is here in Norway as well. The only time I use cash is for playing poker.

 

[Mr Winberg]

I think you should try to advance the game prior to buying chips too

You're probably right, along with the rest who have written this.

But, then again:

Buying chips is fun.

 

[Mr Winberg]

Alright, then. Shorter term: Does the community think that my set can handle stakes like 1/3, 2/4, 2/5, and 3/6? Or do I need to strengthen some denominations?

 

[fieldsy]

I think your existing set is fine for those stakes. With five racks of 5s, you should be good for 2/5, even if you didn't put the 25s in play and just used the 100s for large-value backup. Since you also have 25s, you'll have no problem. I've never played a 3/6 NL game, but I can't imagine that it would be much different than 2/5. You may want to add a rack of 1s but I don't think it's required.

 

[surfik]

Good advice from all!

Just to be clear, I'm not upgrading any time soon. The 1/2 game I play now is equivalent to 10c/20c games, and most at PCF play above that, so I thought there's no harm in being ready.

About half the players like the stakes, half would like them raised (but are ok with them), so a small raise to 1/3 or 2/4 or something is in the near future.

One fall back I have is that by the time we're ready for 10/20, Sweden might have switched to euros, and we're back to 1/2!

So go for solids with no denomination. i had same case in poland we start playing 0,10/0.20...in a year we switch to 1/2 with no problem. Sure some people droped out but it was more matter of lack of time than money. when playing 0,1/0,2 open raises where often rediculus x10 bb.
Bacause we had open table we had to transition from cheap plastic to custom chips.