Anyone know these cards? (“A” on As) (2 Viewers)

[nlhenerd]

Anyone know what these are?

 

[nlhenerd]

Bump. Would really love to find more. A card room in Austin was given these when they were shopping for a new custom cards vendor. They didn't use this vendor and didn't keep track of where they came from.

 

[chippitydoodah]

If @JMC9389 doesn't know then nobody knows.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I recognize it but can't name it. I will come back here if I become enlightened.

Asked ChatGPT and its "almost certain" that the A means they're from Bicycle. Clearly the Terminator is not upon us just yet, that's bullshit.

 

[mdt11]

I've been trying to figure this out too. I played with them in an underground game out here and they were awesome. I even responded to one of the games on Instagram who posted a picture of them but never got an answer.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/show-us-your-live-stacks.3808/page-382#post-2740846

 

[RocAFella1]

Look similar to Bullets, could be a custom made by a similar China manufacturer.

 

[mdt11]

Saw these again on another NYC club’s instagram story. This is driving me crazy ha.

 

[RocAFella1]

Look similar to Bullets, could be a custom made by a similar China manufacturer.

 

[ChipEnvy]

The only "A" manufacturer I can think of is Aristocrat. I have a setup somewhere but couldn't find them on my 30 second search. Google shows a different A though...

So it's a definite maybe.

 

[WedgeRock]

The only "A" manufacturer I can think of is Aristocrat.

Angel

 

[maxim_666666]

This is something Chinese, and 100% not Aristocrat from USPCC.

 

[WedgeRock]

Nothing on the Home Poker Tourney mirror site.

https://www.homepokertourney.org/playing-card-ace-designs.htm

 

[maxim_666666]

This is something Chinese, and 100% not Aristocrat from USPCC.

I insist that these are Chinese plastic playing cards, and most likely made of mediocre Chinese plastic. Because in the photos above, the letter "A" on the ace is mirrored. In other words, they didn’t even bother about consistency of the clichés when they drew the back design in Photoshop.
The back design of the card resembles Bee diamonds, but it’s 100% not Bee diamonds and not the "Stinger" from Aristocrat. Besides, both cards from USPCC are paper.

 

[mike32]

There is also A Plus. They are sold at Kardwell but I don’t have any to show.

 

[WedgeRock]

Armand de Brignac (“Ace of Spades”) Gold Brut champagne

I tend to agree, it might just be a Chinese ripoff.

 

[mdt11]

I insist that these are Chinese plastic playing cards, and most likely made of mediocre Chinese plastic. Because in the photos above, the letter "A" on the ace is mirrored. In other words, they didn’t even bother about consistency of the clichés when they drew the back design in Photoshop.
The back design of the card resembles Bee diamonds, but it’s 100% not Bee diamonds and not the "Stinger" from Aristocrat. Besides, both cards from USPCC are paper.

I'm not sure I understand your mirrored comment. The A on the ace of spades here isn't mirrored. It's an asymmetrical design.

I don't have an opinion either way on their origin or the quality of the plastic, though I enjoyed playing with them the few times that I did. Interesting that they have shown up at least one place in Austin and multiple rooms in NYC.

 

[WedgeRock]

Mirrored:

 

[mdt11]

Mirrored:

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Got it. The first image is a screenshot I pulled from Instagram, which could have gotten mirrored during the posting process, or maybe OP's photo was mirrored.

 

[WedgeRock]

The other cards, the all in card and dealer button confirm that none of the pics are flipped.

 

[mdt11]

The other cards and the all in card and dealer button confirm that none of the pics are flipped.

Good catch

 

[GeeOhVee]

Saw these again on another NYC club’s instagram story. This is driving me crazy ha.
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What is the name of the club/@ on instagram?

 

[quintooo]

@Split might know?

 

[mdt11]

What is the name of the club/@ on instagram?

@fouracespoker

 

[GeeOhVee]

I sent them a message through Instagram, and included a zoomed in screenshot. We'll see if they have an answer...

 

[maxim_666666]

There is also A Plus. They are sold at Kardwell but I don’t have any to show.

Almost, but they seem to have a slightly different ace.

 

[Split]

As @WedgeRock noted, the ace of spades appears to be a poor (and sometimes mirrored) copy of the logo for Armand de Brignac, also known as Ace of Spades. If you Google search for "ace of spades logo" (without the quotes) the Armand de Brignac logo should show up near the top of the image results. I get it as the first or second result depending on what device I'm on. I'm not sure why someone would go through the effort of ripping off a design for the ace of spades like that, but that's most likely what happened unless Cattier is branching out into the playing card for cardrooms business. I haven't come across this design elsewhere in my collection or searches.

The card back gives us a further clue. Although diamond backs are a common motif in playing cards, that particular design closely matches the Bee diamond backs. Bee's current offerings are full bleed or stinger backs that fade, but they have offered cards with a white border in the past. Bee isn't known for plastic playing cards, although they did produce some cards via Fournier circa 2004: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ake-plastic-cards-with-the-bee-artwork.61362/

Bee and Fournier were both part of USPCC back then, and now that they're all under the Cartamundi umbrella that opens up an even wider variety of plausible plastic card makers for Bee. However, I seriously doubt that these cards are tied to Bee in any way.

There are a few websites out there that claim to offer Bee plastic playing cards, but I won't link to them since I doubt their authenticity. They often claim to be made in Spain, which I assume ties back to the legitimate Bee cards that were produced by Fournier in 2004. If they are legitimate and made in Spain that's awesome, but I'm skeptical.

This offering on AliExpress closely matches the back pattern on the cards in the OP. It doesn't have the solid border line going around the diamonds, but it's the closest match I've seen.

JSC's No. 6688 design used the Bee style full bleed diamond backs as well, so we know JSC has used this pattern:

It's a little difficult to analyze the card faces with the pictures we have, but from what I can see the cards in question are consistent with other jumbo index cards I've seen from JSC.

Although it's possible that Cattier commissioned Armand de Brignac themed plastic playing cards through Bee to be produced somewhere owned by Cartamundi, I think it's much more likely that this is a low-effort branding of cards sourced from China. They may or may not be made by JSC, but JSC is a solid candidate.

For what it's worth, it looks like Cattier went with Dal Negro when they commissioned Armand de Brignac cards and did a much better job on the Ace of Spades:

https://www.urban-drinks.com/armand-de-brignac-brut-gold-075l-125-vol-deck-of-cards.html?edc=AU

 

[GeeOhVee]

I heard back from the Instagram site that hosts those tournaments, and they said they didn't have any luck identifying the decks.

 

[twocannons]

Ive seen these here in Texas I just don't remember where.

 

[derekcoleworld]

Not sure if this seller is 100% legit since I never bought from them, but I saw them when scrolling through eBay. I messaged them because I recognized them at Portland Meadows and they said they supply their cards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155198108089

 

[GeeOhVee]

Not sure if this seller is 100% legit since I never bought from them, but I saw them when scrolling through eBay. I messaged them because I recognized them at Portland Meadows and they said they supply their cards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155198108089

Came here to post this exact thing after scrolling eBay. I might pull the trigger on some and check 'em out.