Cash Game Micro stake cash set (reworked from my precedent thread) (9 Viewers)

[Legend5555]

Don't mix cash and tourney sets.

You can run a T100 based set that supports up to 20 with 600 chips or less. This includes a single rebuy for every player for a starting stack size up 30k.

T100 x 200
T500 x 80 (100)
T1000 x 140 (150)
T5000 x 120 (125)
T25000 x 25

Starting stack of 10/4/7/2/0 or 10/4/7/4/0.

Levels
100/100
100/200
100/300
200/400
300/600
400/800
600/1200
Etc.

For cash, I'd highly recommend doing .25/.25 instead of .10/.25. It's one less denomination to worry about, and doesn't really affect the size of the game that much at all. For a table of 10 with buyins as you describe:

$0.25 x 120
$1 x 200
$5 x 200
$20/25 x whatever

 

[Doumsey]

Haha for sure you will get some pics once everything is done

Man posting here for advices is a trap for your wallet, I was considering a 1000chips set top; and now I feel like I could go higher just to accomodate the most flexible option for both sets!!!

For now I have a good 700 chips breakdown for the tourney side. Probably still need to downsize it a bit to 600 chips.
Will consider @Legend5555 breakdown as well. Doing a base T100 instead a T25 set is probably the way to go to achieve that.



For the cash side:
I am well aware that 20$ buy in for a NL50, and even for a NL25 (.25/.25) is way too low. But thats usually the way my friends likes to play, even if they have 100$ in their pockets for the night (5 buy ins). They would rather be able to say stop easily without engaging too much on the table. This is not a very high level game and playing deepstack doesnt suit most of them, so I just have been accomodating this way of play for a long time now.

I indeed have 200 NCV Roulette chips, but its actually 100 yellow and 100 blue. So your option with 200x5c chips using those is kinda clunky because I would need to use 2 colors. Doable, but not amazing for a perfectionist

Something I agree is that 25c and $1 chips will be workhorse chips here, regardless of stakes (NL10, NL25 and NL50).
So I like your proposition to have a bit more of those.
Having 200x$1 feels good. And I would feel the same about the 25c, but having 200 of both means that my set is easily gonna crack the 500 chips mark ! What to do what to do when you slowly becoming a chip degen...

For cash, I'd highly recommend doing .25/.25 instead of .10/.25. It's one less denomination to worry about, and doesn't really affect the size of the game that much at all. For a table of 10 with buyins as you describe:

$0.25 x 120
$1 x 200
$5 x 200
$20/25 x whatever

I'm leaning toward playing .25/.25 instead of .10/.25 indeed. Its actually a great point that it doesnt fundamentaly change the size of the game, but allows to scrap a whole denom! Never thought about that but its a great point.
If I ever have to play some micro stakes again like .05/.10, I will use my rack of NCV solids as 5c chips and the rest of this set will let me do the rest with quarters and ones.

I feel however like 200 x $5 is a bit much. I would lean toward this split :
25c x 200
$1 x 200
$5 x 160
$20 x 40
------
600 chips / 1850$ in bank
Should be sufficient to play NL50 deep as well (and a bit of NL100 with a shorter ring like 6 players)

If I really need to go down to 500 chips, would this be acceptable as well :
25c x 120
$1 x 200
$5 x 140
$20 x 40
------
500 chips / 1730$ in bank
Still quite flexible ?

 

[Legend5555]

Haha for sure you will get some pics once everything is done

Man posting here for advices is a trap for your wallet, I was considering a 1000chips set top; and now I feel like I could go higher just to accomodate the most flexible option for both sets!!!

For now I have a good 700 chips breakdown for the tourney side. Probably still need to downsize it a bit to 600 chips.
Will consider @Legend5555 breakdown as well. Doing a base T100 instead a T25 set is probably the way to go to achieve that.



For the cash side:
I am well aware that 20$ buy in for a NL50, and even for a NL25 (.25/.25) is way too low. But thats usually the way my friends likes to play, even if they have 100$ in their pockets for the night (5 buy ins). They would rather be able to say stop easily without engaging too much on the table. This is not a very high level game and playing deepstack doesnt suit most of them, so I just have been accomodating this way of play for a long time now.

I indeed have 200 NCV Roulette chips, but its actually 100 yellow and 100 blue. So your option with 200x5c chips using those is kinda clunky because I would need to use 2 colors. Doable, but not amazing for a perfectionist

Something I agree is that 25c and $1 chips will be workhorse chips here, regardless of stakes (NL10, NL25 and NL50).
So I like your proposition to have a bit more of those.
Having 200x$1 feels good. And I would feel the same about the 25c, but having 200 of both means that my set is easily gonna crack the 500 chips mark ! What to do what to do when you slowly becoming a chip degen...



I'm leaning toward playing .25/.25 instead of .10/.25 indeed. Its actually a great point that it doesnt fundamentaly change the size of the game, but allows to scrap a whole denom! Never thought about that but its a great point.
If I ever have to play some micro stakes again like .05/.10, I will use my rack of NCV solids as 5c chips and the rest of this set will let me do the rest with quarters and ones.

I feel however like 200 x $5 is a bit much. I would lean toward this split :
25c x 200
$1 x 200
$5 x 160
$20 x 40
------
600 chips / 1850$ in bank
Should be sufficient to play NL50 deep as well (and a bit of NL100 with a shorter ring like 6 players)

If I really need to go down to 500 chips, would this be acceptable as well :
25c x 120
$1 x 200
$5 x 140
$20 x 40
------
500 chips / 1730$ in bank
Still quite flexible ?

It all just depends on how often people rebuy and how often you potentially want to make change during hands. My .25/.25 game has gotten up to over $1200 on the table. So I imagine I could hit your bank on the right night.

 

[Doumsey]

I highly doubt that my NL25 cash games will have more than $1000 on the table (would mean that 10 players all bring $100, and I just never experienced that yet when we play those limits with friends).
For NL50, it still allows me to absorb close to $200 per player, which should be in line as well with what we usually get when I have customers for this limit.

 

[TexRex]

Doumsey, one more thing I don't think I've seen. I always buy for more than I think we need. I've learned that games change, and tend to get bigger, over time. You don't want to buy a set and discover that you need more chips than you have in the set. More chips might not be available when that happens.

 

[Doumsey]

Allright I'm dead set on building a custom CPC cash game set, and not an hybrid relabel project as I initially thought.
Time to make it splash big in the poker chip community haha
I'm finalizing the design here (https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...t-i-need-guidance-from-you-wise-pcfers.48319/), but I will also need to tidy up quantities real soon.

As stated in the initial discussion in this thread, home games at my house usually play .05/.10, .25/.25, with some .25/.50 on frisky days
People buy in most of the time at $20-25, regardless of the limit mentionned above. Exception for NL 50 where we will buy in around 50$.
Even though I know its too low for NL25, they usually come with 3 or 4 buy in (roughly between 75-100$ in their pockets) and tend to prefer buying in low and rebuy more often than putting too much at once on the table. Thats the way it goes around here !

Games may be super limpy with big family pots; sometimes quite nitty with disciplined 3x raises and few customers. No general rule here.

Coming from here and various discussions in this thread and elsewhere, I have the following breakdown :

5c x 100
25c x 100
$1 x 200
$5 x 140
$20 x 40
$100 x 20
-----------
600 chips - $3,730 in bank

Thats way too much high denoms you will say. And you will be right !
But those 20s are mostly here to eventually absorb very very occasional "high" stakes games and long nights of fun for us. Could for instance accomodate for $100 buy in for 10 players (20x25c / 20x$1 / 11x$5 / 1x$20) even though that would be the very max this set could handle.
Hundos are clearly here for show off ! Maybe cash out with flair a big winner here and there, but thats all. And because I want a sharp looking hundo in my custom set


I know I'm probably going the $2,000 route and even more with this custom project, and at this point I will not really be too nitpicky with a few extra chips if it makes my set more flexible and future proof. I'm going for an amazing souvenir/treat for myself with this set so do not hesitate to tell me if I'm being wrong.

When I'm saying this, I'm especially thinking about quarters which will be workhorse chips with the $1 considering my usual limits (very much .25/.25 and .25/.50; and even when we play micro .5/.10 for raising chips)

Maybe I would be better with 2 racks of quarters... ?
Is there something working with still 600 chips or should I go for 700 ? Cant really see anything working with 600 if I want to keep my $20 and $100 chips.

5c x 100
25c x 200
$1 x 200
$5 x 140
$20 x 40
$100 x 20
-----------
700 chips - $3,755 in bank

5c x 100
25c x 160
$1 x 220
$5 x 160
$20 x 40
$100 x 20
-----------
700 chips - $3,865 in bank

The "full experience"
5c x 100
25c x 200
$1 x 200
$5 x 160
$20 x 100
$100 x 40
-----------
800 chips - $7,055 in bank if someday we play some NL100 games & more.


Thanks all for your input. And drop by the design thread if you want to contribute there as well

 

[Darson]

You know your game the best and how you want it to play but the available chips will help direct the style of betting and hence the total chips needed.

For a 5c/10c the 5c chips are only ever going to used for blinds so the "workhorse" chip may be the 25c however as soon as you're at 75c (3-bet) that's no different to $1. If you give your players lots of 25c chips, they will bet in those increments. If you limit the number on the table, the $1 will see play more often.

If playing 25c/25c the standard first raise would be 75c however if there aren't that many quarters on the table it's not that much to see it be $1 with subsequent raises in $1 increments.

So your choice - if you want it limpy then give more fracs otherwise limit them. Personally, I would stick to 100x 5c and 120x 25c max ever on the table. Then fill up with $1s and up. So a $10 minimum buy-in for 5c/10c would be 10/10/7 and a $20 minimum buy-in for 25c/25c would be 12/12/1 or 12/17. Personally, I like to have 120x25c so that all starting stacks are the same but you can get away with 12 for the first few players and 8 for others to save 20 chips. Rebuys are all in $1s and $5s.

Keeping the blind chip count low reduced the limpyness of the game. If everyone limps then a couple of hands like that and all the blind chips will be sitting with a couple players leading to more aggressive betting simply because most don't have the chips to limp.

On the top end, if you play $100 buy-in then assuming everyone comes with 3x$100 then a bank of $3k is the max you need. I can't imagine that you're gonna get 10 players who usually come with $75-$100 to all start coming with $300...

5c x100
25c x120
$1 x200
$5 x200
$25 x60
$100 x20
700 chips, 6 denoms so you can have fun designing 6 chips. You can add some $25s if you want more but beyond a rack of $25s, I would prefer to add more $5s.

 

[Doumsey]

I can't imagine that you're gonna get 10 players who usually come with $75-$100 to all start coming with $300...

On this specifically : Yes, of course. It mostly the "future proof" part of my message. If someday I come across an opportunity to play some deep NL100, well it would be a shame. But it would be super specific yes and very very very occasional. So let's not bank on 100 more chips to cover this maybe, that would be the key message I guess.

I like your idea to have 25c x 120.
200x $5 feels like a lot.
Would you for instance break out a snapper in there ? 700 chips would allow me to design 7 chips actually.
So would this solution work or be just overly complicated ?

5c x100
25c x120
$1 x200
$2.5 x80
$5 x120
$25 x60
$100 x20
-----
700 chips - 4 235$ in bank

Maybe a $2-$3 chip even maybe instead of a snapper (for the sake of my design, not sure if my Bellagio style inlay would look great with a $2.5 denom actually).

 

[Darson]

Forget the snapper - that's for blackjack or limit games - waste of chips. If you want to just have another denom for fun, design a few $500s or something like that. Of course, you can have 50c, $2 etc when you're buying 1000s of chips.

The $5s are your future-proofing. Even at 50c/$1, standard raise will be $3 and beyond that will be bet in $5s. Also, you will want to keep more $5s on the table than $25s - just like having lots of small chips encourages limpy behaviour, having very large denom chips creates a "too big to bet" mentality. I'm guilty of this - when I get some $25s in hand, I keep them to the side and will fold before I bet them (unless I have the nuts). If I had a barrel of $5s instead of 4x$25 then I'm more likely to stick them in the pot.

 

[Doumsey]

Gotcha
I hear your comment on $5, it makes sense.

The 120 x 25c instead of 100 x 25c feels important regardless of a 600 or 700 chips set, so my choices are probably going to be between those :

5c x100
25c x120
$1 x200
$5 x200
$25 x60
$100 x20
-----
700 chips / 4,435$ in bank

5c x100
25c x120
$1 x200
$5 x120
$25 x40
$100 x20
-----
600 chips / 3,635$ in bank