In on next secret group buy (3 Viewers)

[TheChipRoom]

And I can assure you that were not done legally if purchased through a casino or cardroom.
I'm done replying. I am just trying to warn you of the consequences of working outside of legal framework of the gaming commissions.

Have you not seen the 30 thousand chips 1 person received this month from gpi? I can assure you none of that happened first

 

[TheDuke]

Do you have any idea of what it takes to open up a card room? The licensing, background check, legal structure, reporting. The cost alone would make it impossible to make a profit. Let alone they would want to inspect the property and it would have to be set up before the chips arrive. And, the chips would have to be inventoried with a gaming agent present.

No offense, but you have no idea what is involved

All you have to do is read the gaming regulations from any state. Chips are for one purpose and that is currency. Any use other than the intended use is a violation of the regulations.
The cardroom is the in violation and subject to loss of lisence, penalties and litigation. If you hold gaming equipment without a license, they will come after you. Gaming Commissions do not mess around.

So going the card room route is not the way to go. I.e. Involving a gaming commission would be bad news.

However, GPI doesn't seem to need gaming commission approval to manufacture chips. I.e. Currency.

How else would you explain the fact that resourceful groups here have successfully ordered custom Paulsons?

Also, are you stating that those folks in possession of all these recent custom Paulsons are subject to having a gaming commission pursue them legally?

 

[saleen121212]

So going the card room route is not the way to go. I.e. Involving a gaming commission would be bad news.

However, GPI doesn't seem to need gaming commission approval to manufacture chips. I.e. Currency.

How else would you explain the fact that resourceful groups here have successfully ordered custom Paulsons?

Also, are you stating that those folks in possession of all these recent custom Paulsons are subject to having a gaming commission pursue them legally?

It all depends how they got them. If they doctored or faked license paperwork then the answer is probably yes, they could get in trouble.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Do you have any idea of what it takes to open up a card room? The licensing, background check, legal structure, reporting. The cost alone would make it impossible to make a profit. Let alone they would want to inspect the property and it would have to be set up before the chips arrive. And, the chips would have to be inventoried with a gaming agent present.

No offense, but you have no idea what is involved

Lmao @ the GPI property inspection police coming after people. Maybe they boarded the Empress Star on a cruise to Sunset Beach before boarding the Pacific Star on their way over to the Big Top Poker VIP event?

Obviously the process varies by location. You should know that better than anyone.

 

[DMack]

I posted earlier that there’s always the naysayers that come out every time this talk (dream) gets going, and @RainmanTrail is right, it always seems to be those that have some kind of financial stake involved. Whether it’s those that got included in the boat buy (inevitability, more new chips will drive down those prices), or someone else that has a business that stands to potentially lose money. I’ve have seen it over and over...it can’t be done, it’s impossible, there’s no way...yet it continually keeps getting done. To steal a quote from Jurassic Park, “Nature always finds a way.”

 

[justsomedude]

Has anyone actually contacted Paulson and been shut down? It would be funny if everyone was just to scared to call or email them and it's actually easy.

Plenty of ways to get ahold of em... and certain folks there are usually very responsive.

They're a business. It's in their best interest to respond to inquiries, even if the answer is "no."

Also, I'd avoid general terms like "Personal Order" or "Chips for my home game" in the subject line. You're just asking to be ignored with that approach. To get a response and start a discussion with a sales rep, you'll have to be creative. Try something different. Think like a casino, and how they would talk to a vendor. Perhaps, "Paulson Cheques Order Inquiry," or something along those lines. You need to get their attention first, to avoid being subject to the old "delete" key. Then you can twist the wording in the context of your email to let them know your true intentions. They're still going to say "no," but at least you'll get a written response.

Or, who knows... maybe they won't say "no." As the saying goes, "it doesn't hurt to try."

 

[saleen121212]

Plenty of ways to get ahold of em... and certain folks there are usually very responsive.

They're a business. It's in their best interest to respond to inquiries, even if the answer is "no."

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We already found out that without a license and a good story they have a copy and paste auto reply basically saying piss off these aren't for you, but you can order these crappy plastic chips if you want.

 

[CraigT78]

We already found out that without a license and a good story they have a copy and paste auto reply basically saying piss off these aren't for you, but you can order these crappy plastic chips if you want.

Going in the front door is like trying to rob a bank by writing the note on your own deposit slip. Come on man, think bigger!!

 

[Mongoose]

Interesting thread. I want some mint custom Paulsons!!!

 

[saleen121212]

Going in the front door is like trying to rob a bank by writing the note on your own deposit slip. Come on man, think bigger!!

Don't worry we are and everyone should be. It was just a test to see what they require for ordering

 

[justsomedude]

Going in the front door is like trying to rob a bank by writing the note on your own deposit slip.

 

[hdgeno]

Plenty of ways to get ahold of em... and certain folks there are usually very responsive.

They're a business. It's in their best interest to respond to inquiries, even if the answer is "no."

Also, I'd avoid general terms like "Personal Order" or "Chips for my home game" in the subject line. You're just asking to be ignored with that approach. To get a response and start a discussion with a sales rep, you'll have to be creative. Try something different. Think like a casino, and how they would talk to a vendor. Perhaps, "Paulson Cheques Order Inquiry," or something along those lines. You need to get their attention first, to avoid being subject to the old "delete" key. Then you can twist the wording in the context of your email to let them know your true intentions. They're still going to say "no," but at least you'll get a written response.

Or, who knows... maybe they won't say "no." As the saying goes, "it doesn't hurt to try."

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On that list, which email would be the best one to use? @Lemonzest can you shed any light on this? It's time for me to send an email.

 

[Lemonzest]

On that list, which email would be the best one to use? @Lemonzest can you shed any light on this? It's time for me to send an email.

@justsomedude offered some of the best and practical advice.

 

[justsomedude]

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[ovo]

@justsomedude offered some of the best and practical advice. I dont know the best email. Ultimately you will be working with whoever their local rep is. Hopefully he/she is cooperative.

It seems everyone is wanting to attempt a buy. Probably 4 different people/groups trying. I cant discourage you. However, make sure you have a plan and conduct yourself like a professional. If these attempts are clumsy and sloppy it ruins everyones chances. Godspeed.

wow, probably 4 different people/groups trying

 

[Highli99]

wow, probably 4 different people/groups trying

I hope they all succeed!!! We’ll know it’s real when folks start doing RHC sets just to mix it up. Lol.

 

[Marhault]

If this is real I'm in....balls deep in.

 

[Lemonzest]

@justsomedude seems to be more articulate and better at explaining these concepts....

 

[Lemonzest]

wow, probably 4 different people/groups trying

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[ADS Aviator]

Understanding, that you are limited in what you can say.... What was it like picking out you color/spot combos. I know there are a lot of permutations, but I would assume a bunch of good ones are already used and unavailible. Did you send in your choices & they tell you: 1 & 20 are already taken, pick something else? Did they give you similar options? How deep did you have to go on some of your choices?

 

[TheDuke]

Just to clarify I only know this as people have PMd asking for advice and let me know they are trying. I am not involved with any of these ventures. Personally I am done and have no plans of doing anything else.

So here's my question - and it's coming from complete ignorance of the situation as I am an outsider with zero information so I apologize if I sound like an ignorant fool.

If you're done your project and have no plans of pursuing another, why not openly share how you were able to do it? And if not openly, via PM to one group at a time so others can partake? Then that one group would pass along the info to the next group... Again, I have zero information and perhaps that's what's happening?

What's with all of the secrecy? I guess most of us are strangers on an internet forum... but why begrudge fellow enthusiasts?

 

[Eloe2000]

What's with all of the secrecy? I guess most of us are strangers on an internet forum... but why begrudge fellow enthusiasts?

I’m going to guess to ensure the channel doesn’t get shut down so that they can possibly do it again themselves (or other PCFers that are in the “in” club) or so that no one gets in trouble if they didn’t follow standard procedures within GPI etc who helped them out.

 

[ChipEnvy]

I’m going to guess to ensure the channel doesn’t get shut down so that they can possibly do it again themselves or so that no one gets in trouble if they didn’t follow standard procedures within GPI etc who helped them out.

That and... Dolla bills ya'll!

 

[TheDuke]

I’m going to guess to ensure the channel doesn’t get shut down so that they can possibly do it again themselves or so that no one gets in trouble if they didn’t follow standard procedures within GPI etc who helped them out.

But that person just wrote that they are done with no plans to pursue another project. Who's going to get in trouble? The employees at GPI?

Again, I'm completely ignorant... that's why I have so many questions.

 

[justsomedude]

So here's my question - and it's coming from complete ignorance of the situation as I am an outsider with zero information so I apologize if I sound like an ignorant fool.

If you're done your project and have no plans of pursuing another, why not openly share how you were able to do it? And if not openly, via PM to one group at a time so others can partake? Then that one group would pass along the info to the next group... Again, I have zero information and perhaps that's what's happening?

What's with all of the secrecy? I guess most of us are strangers on an internet forum... but why begrudge fellow enthusiasts?

GPI, per company policy, does not sell to home buyers.

According to said policy a "valid gaming license" must be presented (at least for the US market), before an order can be submitted. This is a security policy to ensure existing gaming currency (at major casinos) is not put at risk (by podunk home buyers mimicking existing designs).

Publicly posting how someone got a publicly traded company to ignore their strict security protocols, or how some one got around them, is simply not wise. We risk damaging future opportunities with GPI, and yes, it's possible the employee you worked with could get in trouble. It's just not worth it.

 

[ChipEnvy]

That and... Dolla bills ya'll!

And I am not trying to be an ass saying that. The hard part is getting the chips done. It's hard work to get something like this accomplished, and trying to recoup some of the time and money spent is not unreasonable... And all the stuff @Eloe2000 said.

 

[Lemonzest]

So here's my question - and it's coming from complete ignorance of the situation as I am an outsider with zero information so I apologize if I sound like an ignorant fool.

If you're done your project and have no plans of pursuing another, why not openly share how you were able to do it? And if not openly, via PM to one group at a time so others can partake? Then that one group would pass along the info to the next group... Again, I have zero information and perhaps that's what's happening?

What's with all of the secrecy? I guess most of us are strangers on an internet forum... but why begrudge fellow enthusiasts?

@justsomedude nailed it above @TheDuke thats why.

 

[justsomedude]

PS People realize this is a completey open forum right? Anyone can google search and read what is written here.

Translation: Any GPI employee.

If you guys have more questions for @Lemonzest, it's probably best to take them to PM at this point.

 

[bsdunbar1]

And I am not trying to be an ass saying that. The hard part is getting the chips done. It's hard work to get something like this accomplished, and trying to recoup some of the time and money spent is not unreasonable... And all the stuff @Eloe2000 said.

I for one didn't take your response as being an ass. I took it for the reality it is. Why share your resource to exploit other chippers, with the other chippers you want to exploit.

 

[Lemonzest]

Understanding, that you are limited in what you can say.... What was it like picking out you color/spot combos. I know there are a lot of permutations, but I would assume a bunch of good ones are already used and unavailible. Did you send in your choices & they tell you: 1 & 20 are already taken, pick something else? Did they give you similar options? How deep did you have to go on some of your choices?

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