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Home game chips: Why denominate at all? (7 Viewers)

detroitdad said:
is non denominated popcorn like using organic salt?
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...wait... there's organic salt???
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After 7 pages of this, what I have noticed and did not see a comment about is this. OP mentioned "his crew" many times. Very smart guys who don't need denoms, what I failed to see him mention is all the other poker he should be playing and clearly isn't. If he was playing poker at his local eagles every Sunday and heard what is the red worth 20x a session there is no way he makes his argument. I try to play poker whenever and wherever I can. IDC where I go 98% of us play with people who are not there to just look for tells and behaviors, they are there to laugh, drink, tell stories, and get away from their kids for a couple hours. In the process of doing the those things players tend to forget non denoms values. The OPs issue is clearly he don't get out of his basement enough.
 
So....non-denoms give you more flexibility both in inlay design and game play. Denoms give up some flexibility in exchange for some added clarity, security and a "real casino" feel.

That about it?
 
toynoob said:
After 7 pages of this, what I have noticed and did not see a comment about is this. OP mentioned "his crew" many times. Very smart guys who don't need denoms, what I failed to see him mention is all the other poker he should be playing and clearly isn't. If he was playing poker at his local eagles every Sunday and heard what is the red worth 20x a session there is no way he makes his argument. I try to play poker whenever and wherever I can. IDC where I go 98% of us play with people who are not there to just look for tells and behaviors, they are there to laugh, drink, tell stories, and get away from their kids for a couple hours. In the process of doing the those things players tend to forget non denoms values. The OPs issue is clearly he don't get out of his basement enough.
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your to stupid four hymn two play with
 
toynoob said:
If he was playing poker at his local eagles every Sunday and heard what is the red worth 20x a session there is no way he makes his argument
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Then you skimmed the thread.

I already stated more than once that I play in various non-casino games besides my own, including both private and social hall games (held variously at a VFW, an American Legion Hall, a Catholic Benevolent Association—formerly played in a synagogue!—and a firehouse).

And I noted that only one of these uses denominated chips.

In the home games I play in, only one uses denoms (cheap ones, which anyone could buy online for nothing, if they wanted to cheat by sneaking in chips... So much for security).

As also stated, these games are populated overwhelmingly by regs. New faces show up, but after 2-3 sessions at such venues, you will recognize pretty much everyone. As already stated.

But yes: Distracted, amateur players ask lots of questions in games. I’d say by far the most common, by a longshot, is the infamous “What are the blinds?”

Yet we don't print the blind structure on the table surfaces, and games are usually set up in such a way that maybe 15-20% of seats at best have any chance of seeing the clock.

People ask this question even when it was just announced seconds beforehand “Blinds are up, 200/400!” and sometimes even when the same question was asked on each of the previous three hands.

The next most common question is “Is it on me?”

Followed by “How much is the bet?” (right after the previous player said, “raise to [#####]”)

Then you get to legit questions like “How much do you have behind?”

I’d guesstimate that accounts for about 98% of CPQs (Confused Player Questions—my new term! Do try to keep up!)

If the question “How much is this chip worth?” comes up at all in these games, it is (a) rare in comparison to the above, (b) usually from a new player who doesn't come back, and (c) something that occurs in the early levels, where confusion is less costly.

So, sorry to spoil your lecture about not attending social hall games (note: the subj is home games, but it drifted lots of other places). I can't help it if you draw conclusions without actually reading.
 
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P.S. You can also laugh, drink, tell dirty jokes, razz your friends in a “serious” home game where people are paying attention to the action, ranging each other, keeping track of each others’ betting patterns, etc. In my home game, most of us have been playing together for about 10 years. New players come in as needed, if someone moves away or has some financial/work issue that gets in the way. The stakes have gone up substantially, but the joking around keeps increasing, even as it gets more challenging to win. I wouldn't host if the game weren't both fun, and made me constantly up my game.
 
Taghkanic said:
But yes: Distracted, amateur players ask lots of questions in games. I’d say by far the most common, by a longshot, is the infamous “What are the blinds?”

Yet we don't print the blind structure on the table surfaces, and games are usually set up in such a way that maybe 15-20% of seats at best have any chance of seeing the clock.

People ask this question even when it was just announced seconds beforehand “Blinds are up, 200/400!” and sometimes even when the same question was asked on each of the previous three hands.

The next most common question is “Is it on me?”

Followed by “How much is the bet?” (right after the previous player said, “raise to [#####]”)

Then you get to legit questions like “How much do you have behind?”
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Are they asking these questions all the time, because they have to keep remembering that the Red chip was worth 5 last week, but is worth 50 this week? That is far more important to remember than the current blind level.
 
Boy, y’all would have been really unhappy playing in home games from the 1920s-1960s. I just don’t know how they got through more than two hands per hour, what with everyone asking “What are these butterscotch swirl chips worth?”

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Taghkanic said:
Boy, y’all would have been really unhappy playing in home games from the 1920s-1960s. I just don’t know how they got through more than two hands per hour, what with everyone asking “What are these butterscotch swirl chips worth?”

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I have some of those!

I wouldn't use them for anything more than bounty chips.
 
Poker Zombie said:
I have some of those!

I wouldn't use them for anything more than bounty chips.
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Going through overpriced eBay listings for Starbursts, I sometimes think: There has got to be way to make Bakelite chips trendy again. It would be like buying Bitcoin in 2009...
 
I prefer denominated but non-denominated is fine too if it works in your game.

Re: home games in 1920-1960:
Bloodletting was the most common treatment for diseases and illnesses for centuries. More flexible than antibiotics and new age medicines. Should just keep the old proven way rather than upgrade to modern methods?
 
Why is currency denominated? If everyone knows that a Washington is $1, a Lincoln is $5, so on and so forth, we can just do without the values printed on. If I happen to be a huge Lincoln fan, I can decide I value it 5x more than a Jackson.
 
What the heck? I take one four-hour flight to Utah and all hell breaks loose on this thread.

Stupid question: Why do we use different color chips? Why don’t we just use one color with different edge spots? One edge spot is a quarter; two edge spots is a dollar; three edge spots is a five; etc. Any idiot can remember that and they are easy to see. Different chip colors are unnecessary and stupid.
 
Labrat said:
"So what are the values?"

"Just divide what it says on the chip by 3/5" is usually my answer.
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Nice, built in ask tax :).

ruskba said:
I look forward to @Taghkanic stumping for electronic tables once he has the revelation that it isn’t the denom that’s unnecessary, it’s the chip itself.
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Please refer to my comment on this thread.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/show-us-your-live-stacks.3808/page-104#post-624597

JustinInMN said:
Electronic tables are like going to gentelmen's clubs and finding out the performers are just on TV.
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bigdonkey said:
All posts are binding.
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Heck, I’m going all-in on this. All verbal bets, but all verbal bets are non-denominated.

Villain: I raise 2 blue

Hero: that’s a bet, not a raise.

Villain: my bad.

Hero: I see your 2 blue...

...

and I raise you 2 white and a chartreuse.

Villain: what’s a chartreuse worth?

Host: 3 chartreuse is equal to one purple

Villain: I fold.

Hero: my wife just texted me. I have to go home. Can I cash out now?
 
RocAFella1 said:
Re: home games in 1920-1960:
Bloodletting was the most common treatment for diseases and illnesses for centuries. More flexible than antibiotics and new age medicines. Should just keep the old proven way rather than upgrade to modern methods?
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Beat me to it.
 
RocAFella1 said:
Why is currency denominated? If everyone knows that a Washington is $1, a Lincoln is $5, so on and so forth, we can just do without the values printed on. If I happen to be a huge Lincoln fan, I can decide I value it 5x more than a Jackson.
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Actually, not everyone knows that. The audience for currency is vast and universal; the audience for home games played with quality chips is small and self-selecting.
 
That’s why I said IF. An assumption is made that most home game players are competent enough to get non-denominated chips down, I’m merely making an assumption that 99% of people in this country know the currency denominations. If not, the few who don’t will pick it up in time just like the non-competent home game players.
 
Can someone please explain the high school backcourt violation to me? When I was playing (granted it was 20+ years ago) once a player went fully across the mid court line, the mid court line basically became a boundary line. You could lean over it but if any part of the player or ball touched backcourt or the line (without outside influence of the defense) it was over and back.

I get that the ball can be recovered backcourt after a shot now or if it is batted backcourt by the defense. Aside from that when is a play deemed over and back?

It happened red times this weekend in my Son's game and I was confused why it wasn't called.
 

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