Need a little help with values; PCA Primaries, WDG FDL, Empress 100s (1 Viewer)

[Starem Down]

Sorry if this is in the wrong thread
I took a long hiatus from the chip community and only just began to ease back in, and in some cases, hijack a thread or two about chip prices. I then thought it best to just post a thread as I've noticed some discord regarding a seemingly growing number of profiteers and flipping for profits at the detriment of the chipper community. So to avoid that, to be fair to the community, and maintain my good name, I'm looking to be re- learned on values of some of my chips prior to posting in the market place. I've gotten an idea having done some searches, but you know, time and variance in the market. Also, auctions may be a thing, but I don't have a starting point. And i don't want to offend anyone. That said:

PCA Primaries (cleaned well, not oiled in 5 years, maybe longer). Condition casino used but gets slightly better as denoms go up)
1 × 203
5 ×195
25 ×119

96 near mint peach (though more orange IMO) Paulson starbursts. All stand on edge. Used as the frac with the PCAs

27 × 100 Empress Joliet secondaries. Used but good condition. Used as the hundo with the PCAs

Weighted day glow (WDG) FDL blanks
212 WDG yellow
163 WDG green
53 WDG arc yellow
108 light blue (standard)
57 light chocolate

Quantities are skewy due to many moves and errant roll aways not to be found again. I'll be putting them all up for sale in a few days. Need some extra scratch before retiring from the Navy at the end of September. Any help or insight will be greatly appreciated.

 

[BGinGA]

PCA Primaries (cleaned well, not oiled in 5 years, maybe longer). Condition casino used but gets slightly better as denoms go up)
1 × 203
5 ×195
25 ×119

I'd guess somewhere between 75c/chip and $1/chip, depending on whether you hit a potential buyer with need. The $1 chips might be worth more.

96 near mint peach (though more orange IMO) Paulson starbursts. All stand on edge.

Several others here have a better feel on current starburst prices than me. I'll defer.

27 × 100 Empress Joliet secondaries. Used but good condition.

$3.50-$4/chip

Weighted day glow (WDG) FDL blanks
212 WDG yellow
163 WDG green
53 WDG arc yellow
108 light blue (standard)
57 light chocolate

No clue, but undoubtedly less than what they cost. Not a popular item. @krafticus may have an idea on value.


Congrats on your upcoming retirement, and thank you for your service, sir. And welcome back! (y) :thumbsup:

 

[Starem Down]

Thank you very much! I talked to Krafticus, .65/.70 per, but maybe less. Still wanted to put them out there though for other opinions to get an idea HOW much less. I'd hate to list at .65 per and they go for .35, you know?

 

[allforcharity]

Are the ASM FDL blanks solids, or are there edge spots? Unfortunately, I think you'd be very lucky to get more than 0.40-0.45 for solids. Spotted ones are much more rare, and should command a premium.

 

[RocAFella1]

Interested in the Empress $100s if you do decide to sell. Thank you for your service!

 

[Starem Down]

Are the ASM FDL blanks solids, or are there edge spots? Unfortunately, I think you'd be very lucky to get more than 0.40-0.45 for solids. Spotted ones are much more rare, and should command a premium.

Solids. I appreciate your input but WDG with edgespots, to my humble knowledge, are nonexistent, but again, I've been out of the mix awhile. . Going rates for solids on CPCs site don't dip below . 92/chip for blanks as of February 18. FDLs don't have a price but can't imagine they're less than 1/2 that. I certainly can be wrong in my assumption that that seems a tad low. Maybe ASM quality is inferior to CPC? I'm all about being educated if i missed something

 

[Starem Down]

Interested in the Empress $100s if you do decide to sell. Thank you for your service!

Thanks Fella1, much appreciated. Just gathering info at this time. I want to be fair all around by leaving this thread at educating myself.

 

[allforcharity]

Solids. I appreciate your input but WDG with edgespots, to my humble knowledge, are nonexistent, but again, I've been out of the mix awhile. . Going rates for solids on CPCs site don't dip below . 92/chip for blanks as of February 18. FDLs don't have a price but can't imagine they're less than 1/2 that. I certainly can be wrong in my assumption that that seems a tad low. Maybe ASM quality is inferior to CPC? I'm all about being educated if i missed something

Perhaps what you have is more unique. I'm mostly going by ASM-style vintage "illegal" solid colour chips with hot stamps in bulk quantities that you would typically find on eBay. I'm assuming WDG is quite modern, so maybe worth a bit more?

 

[BGinGA]

I think generally speaking, the best-case one can expect on aftermarket chips that are still available new from the manufacturer/supplier is about 75% of the original factory cost. Any more than that, and a person can just buy 'em brand new to their own color/spot/mold specifications direct from the source.

For example, if a given chip is currently being sold by CPC for $1 each, I think about the most you could expect to get on the aftermarket would be around 75c each for pristine mint un-played condition chips.....unless it was really cool or unique, or had some type of protected artwork that couldn't be duplicated by CPC. Any more than that, might as well just get 'em fresh from the factory.... and get the exact chip parameters you want.

And that 75% number is best-case, and requires the buyer to be looking for ~exactly~ what you have. When it's not an exact match, then buyers will only be willing to buy if the cost is low enough to be considered a good enough bargain to 'settle' for something else. 50%-60% of current cost seems to be about that point.

There is also the issue of color-matching, if the buyer is looking for chips to complete an existing set. ASM and CPC colors are not exact matches, since several of the color formulas have changed over time. Even early CPC and current CPC chips might not match.

 

[Starem Down]

Not sure. Good question. My take is value is determined by all the factors we all already know, but pin pointing what that is the conversation at hand. I mean, i could do a myriad of things here to be fair, my only angle is that what's the going rate of solid FDLs? The price isn't on the site and no other mold comes close, unless WDG decreases the price...(?) I know the denoms aren't right, but they ARE more than workable for a one table game.

 

[Starem Down]

I like that

I think generally speaking, the best-case one can expect on aftermarket chips that are still available new from the manufacturer/supplier is about 75% of the original factory cost. Any more than that, and a person can just buy 'em brand new to their own color/spot/mold specifications direct from the source.

For example, if a given chip is currently being sold by CPC for $1 each, I think about the most you could expect to get on the aftermarket would be around 75c each for pristine mint un-played condition chips.....unless it was really cool or unique, or had some type of protected artwork that couldn't be duplicated by CPC. Any more than that, might as well just get 'em fresh from the factory.... and get the exact chip parameters you want.

And that 75% number is best-case, and requires the buyer to be looking for ~exactly~ what you have. When it's not an exact match, then buyers will only be willing to buy if the cost is low enough to be considered a good enough bargain to 'settle' for something else. 50%-60% of current cost seems to be about that point.

There is also the issue of color-matching, if the buyer is looking for chips to complete an existing set. ASM and CPC colors are not exact matches, since several of the color formulas have changed over time. Even early CPC and current CPC chips might not match.

Grateful for all the inputs, guys. Seriously. That said, one million dollars.... or i can trade for something, anything, that shoots a laser beam! Seriously though, I'm not the reeling and dealing type. But the laser anything would be sweet

 

[upNdown]

Not sure. Good question. My take is value is determined by all the factors we all already know, but pin pointing what that is the conversation at hand. I mean, i could do a myriad of things here to be fair, my only angle is that what's the going rate of solid FDLs? The price isn't on the site and no other mold comes close, unless WDG decreases the price...(?) I know the denoms aren't right, but they ARE more than workable for a one table game.

List them for what you'd like to get, and see what kind of response you get. I doubt you'll get any grief for profitteering. I think the advice you've gotten is spot-on. There is no going rate for solid FDL's because FDL isn't a very popular mold these days and solids don't get a lot of attention. But list them for a price, and adjust the price as necessary until they sell.
Apologies to @detroitdad , whose favorite customs are solid FDLs

 

[Starem Down]

Is CPC still burning FDLs? I thought the dies were shot. Off topic, but congruent in the case.....

 

[BGinGA]

No, FDL still runs. Roman mold is kaput, and diasqr (MD-50) has a high reject rate so chips come with a premium charge.

 

[Starem Down]

No, FDL still runs. Roman mold is kaput, and diasqr (MD-50) has a high reject rate so chips come with a premium charge.

Pound sign reaquainting. Too bad on the MD-50 though.... who broke it?

 

[BGinGA]

I think it's just wearing out. Matter of time before it gets retired.

 

[andy699669]

And other than A-Mold, what is the most frequent mold used?

 

[BGinGA]

Would have to ask @David Spragg , but I'd guess Horsehead is probably the second most popular. Based on sets produced and shown here, could be one of several.