Better Call Saul - S2 (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Martino]

Fair enough. But if that's the case, maybe simply not responding would be better than acting like a cock.

lol. I simply responded "agree to disagree" when you posted an opinion that differed from my own, there was no "cock" involved until you got smarmy saying "good discussion, thanks for posting"

 

[Anthony Martino]

I thought the best part of the finale was the "Don't" on the windshield. Interesting to see Mike not in control for once (in this series anyway) and it'll be damn interesting to find out who put the note on his car.

It's gotta be Gus, right? I can't think of who the hell else it could be?

 

[manamongkids]

Fair enough. But if that's the case, maybe simply not responding would be better than acting like a cock.

 

[ChaosRock]

As I wrote before, I thought the first season was a little underwhelming... Not bad by any means but just not top shelf... Don't know exactly why I felt like this... Maybe it's because I was expecting BB level type of stuff and I didn't get it...

Now after season 2, wow!!! To me the show has improved markedly... Better writing, more character development but specially the creative cinematography... An example is the opening scene a few episodes back in which the ice-cream truck is crossing the boarder... Just one long shot, maybe 2 mins long, just awesome...

The show now has become one of my favorites of the ones currently running... Still quite not BB level but getting pretty close...

*Hint: the least we see Chuck, the better the show gets...

 

[jbutler]

As I wrote before, I thought the first season was a little underwhelming... Not bad by any means but just not top shelf... Don't know exactly why I felt like this... Maybe it's because I was expecting BB level type of stuff and I didn't get it...

Now after season 2, wow!!! To me the show has improved markedly... Better writing, more character development but specially the creative cinematography... An example is the opening scene a few episodes back in which the ice-cream truck is crossing the boarder... Just one long shot, maybe 2 mins long, just awesome...

The show now has become one of my favorites of the ones currently running... Still quite not BB level but getting pretty close...

*Hint: the least we see Chuck, the better the show gets...

Because of BB's trajectory - i.e., improving steadily with each season - I'm even more hopeful for BCS. The evolution of the tone of both shows also seems similar: they start more comedic/light and progressively get darker and more substantive.

 

[ChaosRock]

Because of BB's trajectory - i.e., improving steadily with each season - I'm even more hopeful for BCS. The evolution of the tone of both shows also seems similar: they start more comedic/light and progressively get darker and more substantive.

That's a very good point, specially considering BB had the advantage of no expectations... BCS had to overcome the BB legacy in a way... Anyways, all the ingredients are there for the show to become as great as BB... It's getting really, really close for me (y) :thumbsup:

 

[BGinGA]

Fair enough. But if that's the case, maybe simply not responding would be better than acting like a cock.

Or you could simply take your own advice and allow the thread to remain focused on the show.

 

[jbutler]

Or you could simply take your own advice and allow the thread to remain focused on the show.

Point taken. When you're right you're right.

 

[acl1904]

Nacho knows Mike is out to get Salemanca. Maybe Nacho had someone follow Mike and make sure Mike doesn't take out Salemanca. Wasn't it Nacho that was in Mikes line of fire? I don't think it was coincidental.
Chuck becomes even a bigger d-bag this last episode. Maybe this is how Jimmy finally becomes Saul Goodman? He exchanges his name and agrees to get out of Chucks life for the tape.
Looking forward to the next season, it's just too bad we have to wait so long until then.

 

[jbutler]

Chuck becomes even a bigger d-bag this last episode. Maybe this is how Jimmy finally becomes Saul Goodman? He exchanges his name and agrees to get out of Chucks life for the tape.

When I first read this I thought, "Damn, I hope that's not how it happens." To this point, Chuck has shown no interest in getting Jimmy out of his life. Their only hiatus came when Jimmy pulled away from Chuck.

Although the more I think about it, part of what is interesting about Chuck is that he is so practical and goal-oriented except when it comes to Jimmy where he becomes irrationally averse to any success Jimmy might enjoy. Maybe Chuck realizes that it would be unfair to Kim to expose Jimmy's fraud, but wants to prevent Jimmy from enjoying any of the fruits of the contract with Mesa Verde and so requires that Jimmy end his business relationship with Kim.

 

[ohio3302016]

Chuck is simply envious.

He's done everything "correct" his whole life and yet everyone still likes Jilmmy more. Even his Mother.

 

[moose]

I thought the best part of the finale was the "Don't" on the windshield. Interesting to see Mike not in control for once (in this series anyway) and it'll be damn interesting to find out who put the note on his car. The Chuck piece was predictable to some extent, but still enjoyable. I think they could've done this without the trip to the garage and it would've had more effect.

At some point he's gonna lose Kim, he's gonna lose Chuck, and he's gonna lose his morality. Sorta sounds like Walt - he lost his wife, lost his kids, and lost his morality too. Fun ride.

I think we needed to see how obsessed Chuck was with proving himself right. As soon as the photocopier plot failed he obviously moved on to the taperecorder idea because the instant he was home and Jimmy left, he went to the garage.

I would like to see more backstory on what caused Chuck to go from a successful lawyer with a girlfriend to his mental breakdown with the electricity disorder.

 

[jbutler]

Might be reaching, but an interesting theory:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/78536/gus-fring-coming-better-call-saul-one-fan-theory-says-yes

The one thing I worry about, though, is the whole show becoming centered around “Breaking Bad the prequel”. That’s one of the reasons why I like the Kim character. She’s totally unconnected (at least that I can remember) to Breaking Bad. She’s her own mini show.

That anagram theory is some bullshit imo...

It's gotta be Gus, right? I can't think of who the hell else it could be?

Looks like the anagram theory wasn't bullshit after all. BRB I'll be eating crow in the corner.

 

[Ronoh]

I would like to see more backstory on what caused Chuck to go from a successful lawyer with a girlfriend to his mental breakdown with the electricity disorder.

Pretty safe bet this will be reveled.

 

[SuckoutKing]

I'm no lawyer but in order for that recorded conversation to be use able in proving anything. Doesn't the person being recorded (jimmy) have to be told first??

 

[Anthony Martino]

I'm no lawyer but in order for that recorded conversation to be use able in proving anything. Doesn't the person being recorded (jimmy) have to be told first??

Depends on the state I believe, different states have different laws on what is and isn't admissible, if someone needs to have all parties permission to record a private conversation or if only one party has to consent (i.e. the person making the recording)

 

[Anthony Martino]

Looks like New Mexico is a one-party consent state:

N.M. Stat. Ann. § 30-12-1(C)

The reading, interrupting, taking or copying of any message, communication or report is unlawful without the consent of one of the parties to said communication

So it's not illegal or inadmissible what Chuck did as far as I can tell. I think he'll make Jimmy agree to not use the McGill name in exchange for the tape not being released, thus creating the Saul Goodman we all know and love

 

[Hot Nuts]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but I liked that there was a Weasal commercial right after Jimmy's commercial.

 

[jbutler]

I'm no lawyer but in order for that recorded conversation to be use able in proving anything. Doesn't the person being recorded (jimmy) have to be told first??

Depends on the state I believe, different states have different laws on what is and isn't admissible, if someone needs to have all parties permission to record a private conversation or if only one party has to consent (i.e. the person making the recording)

To complicate things further, some states prohibit recording without consent, but do not make those conversations inadmissible. Rather, the "victim" can only sue the recording party for damages. Still other states prohibit recording telephone conversations, but not in person conversations. And some states' caselaw has created exceptions where the otherwise prohibited recording is permitted if it reveals criminal activity. Basically it's a clusterfuck state-by-state.

Not sure if it was mentioned, but I liked that there was a Weasal commercial right after Jimmy's commercial.

Good catch. I actually noticed it at the time and thought hey I remember that commercial, but I didn't make the "weasel" connection.

 

[BGinGA]

Chuck talks a good game about "loving his brother", but his actions after their mom died tell the real story. He's a total self-centered asshole. Too bad the noggin' hit wasn't fatal, or at least severe enough to keep him comatose for several episodes.....

 

[detroitdad]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but I liked that there was a Weasal commercial right after Jimmy's commercial.

We chuckled about that.

 

[jbutler]

Looks like New Mexico is a one-party consent state:

N.M. Stat. Ann. § 30-12-1(C)

The reading, interrupting, taking or copying of any message, communication or report is unlawful without the consent of one of the parties to said communication

So it's not illegal or inadmissible what Chuck did as far as I can tell. I think he'll make Jimmy agree to not use the McGill name in exchange for the tape not being released, thus creating the Saul Goodman we all know and love

Even better, New Mexico actually limits its control of recorded conversations to those transmitted over "telegraph or telephone". I think maybe the above provision might have been before the most recent amendment. The text of the law reads:

N.M.S.A. 30-12-1. Interference with communications; exception.

Interference with communications consists of knowingly and without lawful authority:
...
C. reading, interrupting, taking or copying any message, communication or report intended for another by telegraph or telephone without the consent of a sender or intended recipient thereof;
...

The statute has been held not to apply to in person conversations, so Chuck is doubly protected. And he has the potential of triple protection because there's an exception in the law under which he could make a (likely losing) argument that he was investigating a crime under the color of law:

Whoever commits interference with communications is guilty of a misdemeanor, unless such interference with communications is done:
...
(3) by a person acting under color of law in the investigation of a crime, where such person is a party to the communication, or one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception, monitoring or recording of such communication.

Lawyers in private practice are not typically said to be operating under the color of law, but Chuck is creative (and desperate) enough that he would probably argue that the New Mexico State Bar's ethics regulations require that he report any instance of unethical conduct by an attorney and such an investigation was necessary for him to determine whether he was ethically obliged to make a report.

 

[jja412]

Love this show. Enjoyed the finale. Saw the end coming. F--- Chuck and his brother jealousy.

 

[acl1904]

Chuck needs a few hits of a defibrillator to set him straight.

 

[acl1904]

Season 3 appears to be starting soon. I might have to re-watch season 2 just to refresh.

Also, it appears Gus is back (yes). (y) :thumbsup:

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/bett...er-call-saul-season-3-trailer-teases-air-date

 

[Kain8]

Seeing Gus again fills me with the same sense of dread as he did in Breaking Bad. Knowing that he's essentially "invincible" in Better Call Saul makes my head spin in the schemes that could happen.

 

[acl1904]

I am hoping Skinny Pete and Badger make a cameo at some point in the series.

 

[jbutler]

I am hoping Skinny Pete and Badger make a cameo at some point in the series.

I really hope they don't. I would hate to see the show devolved into a bunch of cameos and fan service segments and this would be particularly bad since there's no reason their paths should cross (Saul didn't meet either until Jesse introduced them in BB).

 

[Rhodeman77]

I agree with @jbutler. I was almost done with the show after the first 2 episodes when it seemed like all they were going to do is bring BB characters back.

Then it found it's own legs and really hooked me. If I want to see BB I can binge that on Netflix.

 

[Tommy]

Has anyone been watching this? Many BB characters showing up but they are doing it in a good way if that makes any sense. I like the Pre-BB story line.