H&C (LCV) Mold variation? (1 Viewer)

[duffman]

Was looking through a stack of H&C (lcv) roulettes I recently purchased and noticed that a few of them had circles inside the hat and canes. This is only in 2 spots on one side of the chip. Couldn't find any info on Robert Eisenstadt's site. Anyone know anything about this variant?

Here is a pic of the chip in question.

 

[BGinGA]

Those are fake Paulsons. The circles are injection marks.

 

[upNdown]

FAKE PAULSONS!! Very very bad. No credibility! Is this nazi Germany? Sad!

 

[superchromix]

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[justsomedude]

I didn't even know fake Paulsons existed! WTF??

@BGinGA ... can you tell us more about these? When they came to market - under what inlay/chip name - etc.?

 

[duffman]

Those are fake Paulsons. The circles are injection marks.

Interesting. They are some very well made fakes. Feel just like the other H&C chips I own.

Found this over on CT. Seems like he's got the same chips. http://static-199-91-126-221.b.awsr...ese-casino-roulette-chips-which-casino.15372/

 

[justsomedude]

Interesting. They are some very well made fakes. Feel just like the other H&C chips I own.

Hmmm... looks like MD-75 had an injection mark in the hat as well... http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/molddesign_manmade.htm

 

[links_slayer]

Md-75 doesn't have canes, just hats.

 

[mike32]

I swear I remember seeing a thread on CT about this years ago. My opinion is these are the real deal.

 

[Psypher1000]

Anyone know anything about this variant?

I purchased a 600pc lot of used roulette solids around two years ago from a fellow in Kentucky, and many of the chips bore those markings. I didn't notice them at first - someone on the forums did, and then eyebrows were raised all over the place. They felt like the real deal to me but those pips sure had me curious. I sent a sample chip to one of the folks at the CCA, and he concurred with my opinion - the chips were indeed made by Paulson. I then took the whole lot of them to ththe convention last year and put them in front of David Spragg, Eric Rosenblum, et. al., and everyone agreed. Paulson.

David suspected that the pips were basically just defects/imperfections in the mold itself and weren't caught in QA until after some chips had been produced on them and let into the wild. It's effectively its own mold variation, but one they'd rather not have in use (as evidenced by the fact that there aren't more of them out there). So far I've only seen those variations on solids.

 

[duffman]

I purchased a 600pc lot of used roulette solids around two years ago from a fellow in Kentucky, and many of the chips bore those markings. I didn't notice them at first - someone on the forums did, and then eyebrows were raised all over the place. They felt like the real deal to me but those pips sure had me curious. I sent a sample chip to one of the folks at the CCA, and he concurred with my opinion - the chips were indeed made by Paulson. I then took the whole lot of them to ththe convention last year and put them in front of David Spragg, Eric Rosenblum, et. al., and everyone agreed. Paulson.

David suspected that the pips were basically just defects/imperfections in the mold itself and weren't caught in QA until after some chips had been produced on them and let into the wild. It's effectively its own mold variation, but one they'd rather not have in use (as evidenced by the fact that there aren't more of them out there). So far I've only seen those variations on solids.

^^^(y) :thumbsup: I posted a pic over on the chip board. Hopefully we'll get some additional info on these.

 

[Psypher1000]

^^^(y) :thumbsup: I posted a pic over on the chip board. Hopefully we'll get some additional info on these.

They are where my information on these comes from.

Gene Trimble (expert on illegals) indicated that he didn't believe the sellers story, which was that they were from an illegal casino & nightclub in the Kentucky area in the mid 60's, partly due to club timelines, but mostly due to mold timelines. The H&C mold at that time would have more likely been produced by Christy & Jones, but those chips definitely aren't C&J's. One line of thinking is that the chips were produced as prototypes on an early Paulson-owned mold, but Spragg seemed to think the chips were produced no earlier than the 1980's, saying that roulette chips from the 60's would likely be worn even thinner and have less surviving stamp foil on them.

 

[upNdown]

This is a cool mystery

 

[BGinGA]

You'd have to show me a compression mold cup with the circles in the hats for me to believe it.