IDEA: 3d Printed/Compression Molded Hybrid Chips? (28 Viewers)

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I have been interested in discovering the process of making high quality poker chips for a long time. This forum has been a huge help in figuring out the basic process. I feel like I would have a better chance finding the original Coca-Cola recipe than a recipe for "clay" used in compression molding poker chips. I understand manufacturing, having a basic idea of how a real poker chip is made and have an idea that I would love feedback on and possibly test the idea if it is deemed feasible.

Please keep in mind that I am definitely not an expert on poker chip manufacturing. The information that I have is based on internet research full of speculation. I know there are some real pros on this forum who may be able to steer me in the right direction. All ideas and feedback are welcome, and I look forward to it. Here is my idea...

Design and build a 3d printer that can use a "clay" filament material that is printed into the desired shape of a blank that would then go into the compression molding step to complete the part. It seems that there is a lot of work in placing the edge spots and arranging the basic design of the chip before molding. The 3d printer could complete this step using 5 toolheads, with 5 different color combinations. The detail of the edge spots would allow for more complex designs and color combinations. I imagine that there would be a "Damascus" type texture/finish on areas of the chip where colors are compressed and overlapped in the mold. This principle could even be engineered into the design to create a more unique and dynamic color scheme.

The trickiest part of this idea is to get the material into a printable filament. Currently, there are plastic filaments that have various composites including glass fiber, carbon fiber, carbon nano tubes, metals with binder and some of these additives are centered as the core of the filament and sheathed with a plastic like nylon, PET, PPS, etc. These are well established materials that are very impressive from an engineering standpoint and perform in extreme conditions. From what I know (and what i think i know) getting a clay recipe into a printable filament isn't that difficult. To be clear, the 3d printed phase of production does not print a finished chip. It creates the shape and color scheme of the blank that goes into the compression mold saving time (man hours) and allowing for more complex designs.

Another idea involving 3d printers: Nylon 12 powder used as a polymer binder in a "clay recipe?"

One of the 3d printing processes I use is called Selective Laser Sintering. These machines weigh tons and are design for production. They could print 1000 Poker chips in a day or 2 and with pretty fine detail. The problem is that the material used in this process is nylon-12 powder with a nominal particle size of 30 microns. Its basically like plastic flour. If its on the floor, its like ice. Extremely small plastic ball bearings. Its white, and any color variation must be done post process with synthetic dyes (or hand painted). If you want multicolor, then each piece must be printed separately, dyed appropriately and assembled. After all this, the result for a poker chip would be sub-par for us Poker Chip Snobs. So why bring it up? This process produces tons (literally 4 tons of this powder in my shop) of unusable powder for the 3d printers. While 66% of the used powder can be recycled into the next job, there is still 33%ish that cant as the particle size has thermally expanded and disfigured from exposure to approx 200C heat. This exhausted powder cannot print accurate parts with a good surface finish, but can we use it in a "clay recipe" as a binding agent then use this recipe for "poker chip clay filament production?

Am I nuts, or am I on to something?
 
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Am I nuts, or am I on to something?
I don't know anything about the chemistry or compression molding to comment on whether it's technically feasible. But before getting too deep into the manufacturing process, I'd be curious what you're ultimately trying to accomplish.

Are you trying to bring a new product to the home game market? Or just see if it can be done?

Anyhow, I threw your post into ChatGPT just to see what it would say... here is it's response. I think the most interesting part is it seems to know who @Tommy and @Gear are :wow:

I probably wouldn't.


Not because he's necessarily wrong, but because he's making a lot of assumptions about how compression-molded chips are manufactured, and he doesn't seem to appreciate what the hard parts actually are. Responding risks pulling you into a 20-post technical debate with someone who is still at the "thought experiment" stage.


A few thoughts:


  • He treats the blank as if it's the difficult part. It isn't. Compression molding itself is the magic.
  • He's assuming there's a printable "clay filament." There isn't. The material isn't thermoplastic in the same sense that PLA or nylon is. If it were, people would already be extruding it.
  • The edge spots aren't labor intensive because someone is hand-laying colors. They're a consequence of how the slug is built and how the material flows under enormous pressure.
  • His "Damascus" effect is actually something manufacturers spend decades trying to control or eliminate. Random flow lines are usually defects, not features.
  • Mixing Nylon 12 waste into a compression molding compound is almost certainly going to make the chip feel worse, not better. Even if it molded, you'd fundamentally change the density, hardness, sound, friction, shrink rate, and machining characteristics.

The biggest misconception is this:


"...saving time (man hours)..."

Nobody making compression-molded chips at scale is paying people to sit there arranging colors by hand. They're using tooling. The expensive part is the tooling, process control, and proprietary compound, not someone assembling edge spots.


If you wanted to reply, I'd keep it very short. Something like:


Interesting thought experiment. I think you're solving the wrong problem, though. The bottleneck in compression-molded chips isn't creating the blank, it's the proprietary molding process and material. Even if you could print a multicolor preform, you'd still have to develop a printable compound that survives compression molding and produces the same feel, sound, density, and durability. That's a much taller order than the geometry itself.

Then leave it there.


Knowing PCF, there's a decent chance one of the old guard (Tommy, David, Gear, etc.) will eventually explain why it isn't practical. I'd let them.
 

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