Cash Game 10c, 50c, $1, $5 starting stacks (2 Viewers)

[GamingWithChips]

Hello,

Looking for some advice on a good starting stack breakdown for a set based with 10c chips.

Denoms: 10c, 50c, $1, $5 (I know I know I know...) Blinds are 10c/10c and or 10c/20c, buyins at $10-40 depending on the blinds.

I made some options like:
10/18/10/x
15/17/10/x (sweet spot?)
20/16/10/x

In tourneys the T500 chip is used a lot less so not many are needed in a starting stack. I think this logic would apply to a cash game with 50c and $1, but then again, the 50c and $1 are the work horses in this case and I won't be adding more 50c to the table, only $1 and $5's upon rebuys.

Should the above logic apply? ie Do I not need many 50c's? I also would like the 10c/50c chip breakdowns to equal $10. So a starting stack would get $10 in 10/50c chips, $10 in $1 chips, and then $20 of $5 chips when playing 10c/20c and buying in up to $40.


DISCLAIMER!

Yes: I'm aware of 5c, 25c, $1, $5.

No: I'm not trolling and or looking for an argument, just looking for advice on this specific breakdown


I'm hoping those with this breakdown or maybe those with 50c fracs can provide some advice on how many 50c chips are needed in a starting stack.

Thank you!

 

[SteveEH]

Starting stacks are kinda irrelevant in a cash games and most people just put out all the fracs for the first x players and make change as more people join.

Also, I bet most here will suggest a $2 denomination instead of a $1, but I'm on board with MoaR $1s if it's within budget.

I would go:

- 1 rack of dimes, or 1 barrel per player if you'll have a lot of limping and/or open raising less than 5x when you play .10/.10.

- lots of .50 and $1. Given we normally have 4x or 5x between two workhorse chips and yours are only 2x, maybe even more? My rule is 30 workhorse chips/player minimum (I prefer 50 tbh) for my .25, $1 (workhorse) $5 sets. Not sure how to split your two workhorse chips up. Maybe less .50s and more $1s if you expect most games to be .10/.20 or deep stack?

- As many $5 needed to top up the bank. Total Bank = buy in x 3 x number of players.

 

[SteveEH]

Also I've considered a 10x spread between blind and the next denomination like I've seen on some live streams where (e.g tons of 100s and they skip 500 and go right to 1000). You'd probably want 2 barrels per player? Dunno if I like this as my group rarely does .10 big blind, and even when I do I'm probably opening 10x.

 

[QuietMaple]

I play similar stakes as you but with 5c/25c chips. Lately I've been giving everyone 15x of the smallest chip in their starting stacks. I don't love doing less than that because players making change tends to slow the game down (unfortunately my players are always quite slow with making change). Sometimes I do 20x of the smallest chip in the starting stack because it makes for nice even numbers, it's easy to just take out a barrel for each player, and you'll always have some chips in front of you to shuffle

 

[GamingWithChips]

So its sounding like it doesn't matter too much, at least in comparison to a tournament where maybe since chips get removed in a tournament and only added in cash that probably makes a big difference in starting stack importance.

And I guess to answer should you have more 50c or less it might be determined by how your games plays (ie bigger or smaller).

Thank you!

 

[JustinInMN]

Hello,

Looking for some advice on a good starting stack breakdown for a set based with 10c chips.

Denoms: 10c, 50c, $1, $5 (I know I know I know...) Blinds are 10c/10c and or 10c/20c, buyins at $10-40 depending on the blinds.

I made some options like:
10/18/10/x
15/17/10/x (sweet spot?)
20/16/10/x

In tourneys the T500 chip is used a lot less so not many are needed in a starting stack. I think this logic would apply to a cash game with 50c and $1, but then again, the 50c and $1 are the work horses in this case and I won't be adding more 50c to the table, only $1 and $5's upon rebuys.

Should the above logic apply? ie Do I not need many 50c's? I also would like the 10c/50c chip breakdowns to equal $10. So a starting stack would get $10 in 10/50c chips, $10 in $1 chips, and then $20 of $5 chips when playing 10c/20c and buying in up to $40.


DISCLAIMER!

Yes: I'm aware of 5c, 25c, $1, $5.

No: I'm not trolling and or looking for an argument, just looking for advice on this specific breakdown


I'm hoping those with this breakdown or maybe those with 50c fracs can provide some advice on how many 50c chips are needed in a starting stack.

Thank you!

Sorry I am late to the party, but I designed my main cash set around 10¢-50¢-$1 progression and it works great. But you don't need nearly this many 50¢ chips with $1 chips in play.

Bottom line, I think you actually are on the right track comparing the 50¢ chip to a T500 tournament chip in a cash breakdown where a $1 chip will also be present.

For NL games with 10¢ - 20¢ or 10¢ - 30¢ blinds, I would suggest 10/6/x or 10/8/x of 10¢ / 50¢ / $1 denoms for buy ins up to $25-30. Add a few fives to initial stacks if you go beyond that. But the single should really be your workhorse at this stake. (And it will be more intuitive than using a $2 chip just for the sake of a 4x gap.) The upside to reducing the number of 50¢ on the table is the fracs add up much quicker when counting all-ins or cash-outs and it will allow you to dedicate more of your set to singles.

If you want to read the geeky digital ink I spilled on this (gasp, 7 years ago) please check out my posts below.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/dime-half-single-alternative-micro-breakdown-idea.39237/

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...edition-2020-custom-43mm-sunfly-hybrid.50781/

Hope this helps, wish I saw this sooner because I am doing what you describe here fairly regularly.

 

[4SUMERZ]

How many players at the table. Depending on that, and based on 10-10 blinds
$20 buy in, so $20 worth of chips
Based on $10 buy in
Starting stack
10 - $10c =$1.00
8 - 50 c = $4.00
10- $1.00 = $10.00
1 - $5 .00 =$5.00

Total $20.00

 

[GamingWithChips]

How many players at the table. Depending on that, and based on 10-10 blinds
$20 buy in, so $20 worth of chips
Based on $10 buy in
Starting stack
10 - $10c =$1.00
8 - 50 c = $4.00
10- $1.00 = $10.00
1 - $5 .00 =$5.00

Total $20.00

Yup, I’m thinking that if I wanted a smaller set, but likely doing 15 ones to have more chips to play with.

 

[4SUMERZ]

Yup, I’m thinking that if I wanted a smaller set, but likely doing 15 ones to have more chips to play with.

Yes, you could replace the $5.00 chip with the ones. Good Call.

 

[caballo993]

I think something like 10/10/4/2 would work, or get lots of $1s and do 10/10/14/x

I used to have a .10/.50/2/10 set with starting stacks of 10/10/7 and use the $10s for rebuys.

Now I do a similar setup for buyins of $20 or less, with no fracs but 10x value. So standard casino denoms $1/5/25/100 and similar breakdown 10/8/6 with $100s for rebuys.

Set could look like this:
10¢ - 100
50¢ - 100-150
$1 - 150-200
$5 - 50-100
*$20 - 25-50

400-600 chips with a bank of $460-$1,785

 

[JustinInMN]

Yup, I’m thinking that if I wanted a smaller set, but likely doing 15 ones to have more chips to play with.

Yes, really load up on the ones. If you are building a single table set, this would be my suggestion.

100 / 60 / 240 / 180 of 10¢ / 50¢ / 1 / 5 for 600 chips.

Bank is $1280, more than 3 buy-ins per player 10-handed. (Optional. swap 20-40 fives for a $20 denom for value store chips, but that may be a bit overkill for $40 buy ins.)

You can do 10 starting stacks of 10 / 6 / 21 / 3 for $40 buy-ins (Exactly 40 chips so you can prep this in racks easily.)

(If you really only want to do 500 chips: 100 / 40 / 200 / 160 of 10¢ / 50¢ / 1 / 5, starting stacks are 10 / 4 / 17 / 4 instead, bank is $1030, enough for 3 buy-ins per player at 8-max.)

 

[FearlessFred]

My set is .10/.50/2 - 100/200/100

I give out 20/16/0 to the first five players for 100BB and go from there. It's worked very well

 

[Fran]

Hello,

Looking for some advice on a good starting stack breakdown for a set based with 10c chips.

Denoms: 10c, 50c, $1, $5 (I know I know I know...) Blinds are 10c/10c and or 10c/20c, buyins at $10-40 depending on the blinds.

I made some options like:
10/18/10/x
15/17/10/x (sweet spot?)
20/16/10/x

In tourneys the T500 chip is used a lot less so not many are needed in a starting stack. I think this logic would apply to a cash game with 50c and $1, but then again, the 50c and $1 are the work horses in this case and I won't be adding more 50c to the table, only $1 and $5's upon rebuys.

Should the above logic apply? ie Do I not need many 50c's? I also would like the 10c/50c chip breakdowns to equal $10. So a starting stack would get $10 in 10/50c chips, $10 in $1 chips, and then $20 of $5 chips when playing 10c/20c and buying in up to $40.


DISCLAIMER!

Yes: I'm aware of 5c, 25c, $1, $5.

No: I'm not trolling and or looking for an argument, just looking for advice on this specific breakdown


I'm hoping those with this breakdown or maybe those with 50c fracs can provide some advice on how many 50c chips are needed in a starting stack.

Thank you!

15/17/x starting stack works really well

 

[GamingWithChips]

15/17/x starting stack works really well

I would suggest 10/6/x or 10/8/x of 10¢ / 50¢ / $1 denoms for buy ins up to $25-30.

So you guys are in the two main pools of thought it seems, ie @Fran with more chips (especially 50c) versus @JustinInMN less chips (and favoring $1).

Is it safe to assume that the main difference is that the 50c game could play slightly smaller? @Fran , do you find that people mostly bet with 50c chips?

 

[JustinInMN]

So you guys are in the two main pools of thought it seems, ie @Fran with more chips (especially 50c) versus @JustinInMN less chips (and favoring $1).

Is it safe to assume that the main difference is that the 50c game could play slightly smaller? @Fran , do you find that people mostly bet with 50c chips?

I think people will bet with chips you provide. If you give a lot of 50¢ they will use them. If you give a lot of $1, they will use them.

My experience is players find betting singles in bulk less confusing on balance, but it can be subjective.

And again, with 50¢ to 1 just being a 2x jump, you never need more than one 50¢ chip to construct bet of any amount if singles are present. (Which supports your initial observation about comparing this to T500 and T1000 chips in a tournament standpoint.) If you really want to do 50¢ in bulk, then tbh, a 10¢ - 50¢ - 2 progression may make more sense. But I think one of the integral reasons to like 10¢ - 50¢ - 1 is to leverage that minimum quantities of 50¢ chips are needed so singles can be the workhorse.

Also, consider in game counting, which is necessary in NL in all-in situations. My experience is counting goes faster at these stakes if the stacks are more singles heavy than frac heavy. You can get good at counting either quickly, certainly. (My side tip of the day: If you have to break down stacks for an exact count, 50¢ chips are best counted in piles of 4, as are $25 chips, and $500 chips for that matter. All other denominations are best counted in piles of 5, though $5 chips can be counted effectively in piles of 4 or 5. In any event, don't be that guy that counts out chips in piles of 2, ever!)

Again, it's subjective, but I think being more singles heavy is better in this regard.

 

[GamingWithChips]

That makes a lot of sense, and I think you are right. Technically there is no right/wrong way, but I like leaning towards the $1 being the work horse and then the 10c and 50c can but used if they want to make some funky bets like $1.20 or whatever. Chances are, once the flop hits people will likely bet in increments of $1 and then also throw in a 50c here and there.

Thank you @JustinInMN !

 

[JustinInMN]

That makes a lot of sense, and I think you are right. Technically there is no right/wrong way, but I like leaning towards the $1 being the work horse and then the 10c and 50c can but used if they want to make some funky bets like $1.20 or whatever. Chances are, once the flop hits people will likely bet in increments of $1 and then also throw in a 50c here and there.

Thank you @JustinInMN !

Yeah YMMV a lot, but I would expect your standard open pre will be 60¢ - 80¢ and maybe as high as $1.10 (two chip rule, ftw), After that I imagine you won't have much use for dimes, and most bets will be made in half dollar or whole dollar increments.

 

[4SUMERZ]

That makes a lot of sense, and I think you are right. Technically there is no right/wrong way, but I like leaning towards the $1 being the work horse and then the 10c and 50c can but used if they want to make some funky bets like $1.20 or whatever. Chances are, once the flop hits people will likely bet in increments of $1 and then also throw in a 50c here and there.

Thank you @JustinInMN !

In my cash game, $0.25/$0.25 blinds, I use less small denom Chips and more $1.00 and one $5.00 in my $25 worth of starting stacks. Thereby stacks are $1 and $5 chips. When we have our final once around the table players use their smaller denoms to bet do less small denoms to count on the cash outs.

 

[GamingWithChips]

(two chip rule, ftw)

It's funny, I haven't heard that term before, but I was thinking about this and wondering if people will bet 50c with one chip, but for some reason it feels awkward to throw in one chip for a small bet. When you make a call or raise with a large denom like $5/$20 then it feels natural with one chip, but "betting" with only 1 chip otherwise feels a little weird or almost weak. So I'm also thinking people will bet 30c or 60c to open in a 10c/10c game.

 

[SteveEH]

Ever seen Brad Owen play $10/$20 at the Wynn? He started with a rack of $10 chips and the next denominations are 100 and 1K. If I had the budget or wanted another set I might just try it. 1 rack of dimes per person seems like overkill though (although fun). 2 barrels each would probably be sufficient.

I can do 2 barrels of quarters and $1s per person with my Nacional set. When we do a $40 buy in we start with 70 chips. Maybe not as efficient but I love big stacks. Good times.

 

[GamingWithChips]

Ever seen Brad Owen play $10/$20 at the Wynn? He started with a rack of $10 chips and the next denominations are 100 and 1K. If I had the budget or wanted another set I might just try it. 1 rack of dimes per person seems like overkill though (although fun). 2 barrels each would probably be sufficient.

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I can do 2 barrels of quarters and $1s per person with my Nacional set. When we do a $40 buy in we start with 70 chips. Maybe not as efficient but I love big stacks. Good times.

Would be cool, I feel like it's a hybrid limit set lol