Tourney Final Ranking When Multi-way All-In (1 Viewer)

[jdub]

WSOP has rule 126b in the hand for hand section which states.

If two or more Participants are eliminated during the same hand at the same table, the Participant(s) who began the hand with the highest chip count will receive the higher place finish.

There isn't an equivalent mention of what to do when players are not hand for hand. For example, how is rank awarded at a five handed final table with five players all-in. Obviously, the best hand gets first place since they end up with all remain chips in play. What happens with ranking 2 through 5?

The TDA rules seem to be silent on this topic. Did I miss something in the TDA rules?

My local cardroom applies the WSOP rule. These small local tournaments never go hand for hand so that's not a factor.

One can imagine that final rankings might be awarded by the strength of hands tabled. I haven't seen this personally, but I have only played in half a dozen rooms.

Cheers,
jdub

 

[BPTDirector]

WPT awards the higher place to the player having the most chips at the start of the hand in question.

 

[golosefast]

determined by chip sizes before the hand, so if everyone goes all in and the chip leader scoops everyone finishes at their respective position

 

[JustinInMN]

There isn't an equivalent mention of what to do when players are not hand for hand.

Probably just bad placement on the rule-writers' part, this is the general rule as I have known it for decades. Maybe the wsop is such that ranking only matters in hand for hand play and not before.

For example, how is rank awarded at a five handed final table with five players all-in. Obviously, the best hand gets first place since they end up with all remain chips in play. What happens with ranking 2 through 5?

It would go in order of who started with the most chips. If the side pots are awarded in the correct order, the player eliminated in the last side pot formed (which should be the first side pot settled) would get the highest ranking because he had more chips than players not in that side pot. And so on backward to the main pot.

It is curious that TDA doesn't have a specific mention in this in the 2024 edition that I could find.

 

[jdub]

OK. It is an oversight on the TDA's part. I thought perhaps I missed it.

I was daydreaming about deciding to jam all in against Ivey, Negreanu, Helmuth, and Chidwick at the final table with second place chips. Even if I lost to Ivey, I'd still get the #2 spot and so... in my daydream... i get the chips in the middle light. The best part is the Helmuth melt down when I turn over 85o.