Ideal Set Building (1 Viewer)

[ccbplayer]

How would you build your ideal set for the game described below and what reasoning supports your decision?
Any experiences and insights how this affect the speed of game and bet sizes are more than welcome

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NL Hold'em
€200/€400 buy-ins
2/3x rebuys
8 persons
Blinds we normally play are 2/4 or 2/2


Preferably 500 chips

 

[grahamplayscards]

Assuming max money in play is 400x3x8 =9,600 bank
1/2 blinds
100 $1 chips
200 $5 chips
150 $25 chips
50 $100 chips
Gives a bank of 9850

Starting stacks of:
10 whites
21 reds
3 greens
Gives you $200, add 8 greens to get to $400

Doesn’t give much wiggle room, I’d prefer for everyone to have 2 barrels of 5s and 1 barrel of whites but that increases your number of chips required significantly.

 

[cpac54]

Assuming max money in play is 400x3x8 =9,600 bank
1/2 blinds
100 $1 chips
200 $5 chips
150 $25 chips
50 $100 chips
Gives a bank of 9850

Starting stacks of:
10 whites
21 reds
3 greens
Gives you $200, add 8 greens to get to $400

Doesn’t give much wiggle room, I’d prefer for everyone to have 2 barrels of 5s and 1 barrel of whites but that increases your number of chips required significantly.

This.

Even 600 chips gives you a lot more wiggle room, but the above breakdown will get it done for you

 

[ccbplayer]

Blinds we normally play are 2/4 or 2/2

 

[Phoe9x]

If you’re playing $400 buy ins, you can spare a buy in to get some more chips. Set of 500 is pushing it with this many rebuys.

Look into Tina, they’re ~$.5/chip so you can get a set of 800, with good quality and lower risk of counterfeits making it into your game. A bit more expensive to cover EU shipping but worth it, you can take a look at the classifieds to see if any EU chippers are selling their sets.

 

[ccbplayer]

How would you build a 800 set?
Ideally i'd like to keep it at 500 max 600

 

[Taghkanic]

I'm not clear. Is the max buyin 200 for 2/2 and 400 for 2/4?

If so, that seems a bit shallow—only 100BB to start. Especially for the 2/2, which makes the max more like 75BB effective.

 

[ccbplayer]

We usually play that it's possible to buy in between min buyin 200 and max buy in 400, so one player can buy 200 and another one 300 for example, blinds are 2/4

 

[Taghkanic]

OK, so max 100BB at 2/4... Is there a clear reason for this cap level?

It sounds like you get plenty of rebuys, so that suggests your players aren't short of cash.

How many out of the eight players are rebuying for the max, or a half max stack, on a given evening? Does 2-3x rebuys mean everyone is doing that, or that you have two or three rebuys total from the group?

Maybe the goal is to create more situations where people have to go all-in? Especially if multiple regs are buying in for just 200. Lots of reason to only shove or fold when short.

... Not trying to be critical, just trying to understand the game dynamics before answering the set breakdown question.

 

[cpac54]

Out of curiosity, what’s the reason for the 500 chip count max?

If you’re playing 2/2 and 2/4, and looking at custom chips, then you’re probably better off looking at €2, €10, €50 denominations.

€2 x 100
€10 x 250
€50 x 150

Gives you just over €10,000 bank, which gives you a bit more room to breathe with the 2/4 game.

Let’s you do 10/23/3 starting stacks for the 2/4 game. 10/18 for the 2/2… but I find that a pretty low amount of chips, personally. YMMV.

 

[DrStrange]

Ideal is more than 500 chips. For me, that is at least a thousand chips. I guess 800 would do, but that is a compromise. If Hero goes the custom route, more chips is better than less as you'll not be assured of ever getting replacement nor add-ons to the set.

With 2/4 blinds, I want more than one rack of 1 chips. 12 one Euro chips each for eight people means quite a lot of change being made.

200 1's
500 5's
200 25's
100 100's

Could drop a rack of fives and 25's. Future proofing is worth considering, meaning more chips of a higher denomination. Hero's game is already quite close to a 2/5 format.

About the denominations. An ideal set is going to be marked in Euros not Dollars.

Maybe what is needed is a semi or fully custom "tina" set. I am not sure what options there are for vintage chips marked in Euro's. That kind of set isn't crazy expensive. Custom "tina" are generally less than vintage Paulson casino chips.

Get the good stuff! -=- DrStrange

 

[cpac54]

Ideal is more than 500 chips. For me, that is at least a thousand chips. I guess 800 would do, but that is a compromise. If Hero goes the custom route, more chips is better than less as you'll not be assured of ever getting replacement nor add-ons to the set.

With 2/4 blinds, I want more than one rack of 1 chips. 12 one Euro chips each for eight people means quite a lot of change being made.

200 1's
500 5's
200 25's
100 100's

Could drop a rack of fives and 25's. Future proofing is worth considering, meaning more chips of a higher denomination. Hero's game is already quite close to a 2/5 format.

About the denominations. An ideal set is going to be marked in Euros not Dollars.

Maybe what is needed is a semi or fully custom "tina" set. I am not sure what options there are for vintage chips marked in Euro's. That kind of set isn't crazy expensive. Custom "tina" are generally less than vintage Paulson casino chips.

Get the good stuff! -=- DrStrange

Buy once, cry once. 100%.

 

[allforcharity]

Aha! 2/2 and 2/4, you say? Time to use those in-between denoms!

$2, $10, and $50 chips, 150/200/150

Bank $9800, gives 20-25 buy-ins at $400-500 per.

 

[ccbplayer]

Out of curiosity, what’s the reason for the 500 chip count max?

If you’re playing 2/2 and 2/4, and looking at custom chips, then you’re probably better off looking at €2, €10, €50 denominations.

€2 x 100
€10 x 250
€50 x 150

Gives you just over €10,000 bank, which gives you a bit more room to breathe with the 2/4 game.

Let’s you do 10/23/3 starting stacks for the 2/4 game. 10/18 for the 2/2… but I find that a pretty low amount of chips, personally. YMMV.

Want to make a nice box, all chips sorted on same level. 10 rows of 50 chips. (denom still open)
Ideally would have around 5 colours
Denomination number only no $/€ and a plaque to give it a nice look
Building a custom set with own design

 

[ccbplayer]

OK, so max 100BB at 2/4... Is there a clear reason for this cap level?

It sounds like you get plenty of rebuys, so that suggests your players aren't short of cash.

How many out of the eight players are rebuying for the max, or a half max stack, on a given evening? Does 2-3x rebuys mean everyone is doing that, or that you have two or three rebuys total from the group?

Maybe the goal is to create more situations where people have to go all-in? Especially if multiple regs are buying in for just 200. Lots of reason to only shove or fold when short.

... Not trying to be critical, just trying to understand the game dynamics before answering the set breakdown question.

For sure and appreciate the detailed question. Out of habit this is normally what we play with some old pro players and younger folks.
Not everybody is rebuying max, depends on the night but can be maybe on avg 4 and maximum 12 rebuys

 

[GetUrShineBox]

The 4 Big Blind throws a monkey wrench in this for me because you need a lot of $1's or no $1's and you can just get $2's as mentioned by others. Either way your game is too big for only 500 chips. I'd go minimum 700 chips but ideally 800.

For 2/2 and keeping rows of 50 chips into consideration I think this works.
150 - $1's
300-400 - $5's
200 - $25's
50 - $100's
or
100 - $2's
350-450 - $5's
200 - $25's
50 - $100's

For 2/4 I'd go with
150 - $2's
350 - $5's
250 - $25's
50 - $100's

or just move it up to 2/5 and you can do
100 - $1's or $2's
400 - $5's
250 - $25's
50 - $100's

 

[allforcharity]

Ideally would have around 5 colours

You only need 3 denoms for most cash games, maybe 4.
If you find you need 5, your blinds are probably too low for how your group plays.

 

[grahamplayscards]

Out of curiosity, what’s the reason for the 500 chip count max?

If you’re playing 2/2 and 2/4, and looking at custom chips, then you’re probably better off looking at €2, €10, €50 denominations.

€2 x 100
€10 x 250
€50 x 150

Gives you just over €10,000 bank, which gives you a bit more room to breathe with the 2/4 game.

Let’s you do 10/23/3 starting stacks for the 2/4 game. 10/18 for the 2/2… but I find that a pretty low amount of chips, personally. YMMV.

I personally despise non standard denoms but this may be better… $100s in a 2/4 game are not the most useful. This is a solid setup if you ask me.

 

[ccbplayer]

I personally despise non standard denoms but this may be better… $100s in a 2/4 game are not the most useful. This is a solid setup if you ask me.

Ok don't want to have players despise it haha
would it really be that bad for you? and what is the reasoning behind it

i think i will go for 1 / 5 / 25 / 100 and a 200 or 500 plaque