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- Thread starter Blumbus
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Why do you have this “need” to know?
They look pretty nice.
Blow and Go man!
The nice folks who would make the labels need to know what they originally were, and will not make labels for a chip that’s unidentified. It’s so they can cut to the correct size to make the label look as good as possible
ekricket
Royal Flush
???? Who on earth are you dealing with? If these were mine I’d measure the inlay size on the chip - it’s standard, the same size as all other normal RHC chips, but if you think those are some special one offs that Paulson made a special mold for instead of their standard mold (molds are not cheap) then just knowing what they were would not give you that info either.
So just measure the recess and that’s what I’d have made. Any other method is not going to end well for you. Sheraton had THC and RHC made at different points in history. So just saying “Sheraton” won’t give them the info they need.
This really sounds like a noob chip collector talking to a noob label maker. Or just some made up shit, which is where I lean.
But you do you man, not a single person here gets “Sheraton sized” labels made nor does any reputable chip label maker make “Sheraton sized” labels.
Good luck and hopefully it ends ok for you.
Can you give us the name of the company making your labels so we know not to even approach them with business? Thanks!
ekricket
Royal Flush
I’ve been studying this and I just can’t find “Sheraton sized” on it. But maybe it might help you. It’s under the “resources” section here at PCF, along with a whole bunch of other resources.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/resources/paulson-inlay-size-and-finish-options.27/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/resources/paulson-inlay-size-and-finish-options.27/
Gear.
It makes sense to me, although you are correct in that I am a chip noob. They explained to me that some chips, like the Paulson promos, are wildly inconsistent in their inlay spaces, so the generic standard label size won’t look very good. And just so happens that this chip kinda looked like a Paulson Promo. So as a general rule they don’t make labels without knowing what the original chip was.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Really? They won’t just measure it and then cut labels to fit? Because that’s what everybody else does.
Especially if you think you have a weird sized recess area that isn’t standard. I know for a fact that Gear has a sample size sheet that he can send out and then you try the various sizes in the recess and find the one that fits best. All without knowing what the original label was. This is because they deal with people that mill chips and depending on the bit size, operater skill, and machine wobble they end up with a variety of sizes that differ by a mm or less. They want a perfect fit as much as you do!
Not trying to berate you or anything, this is just one of the weirdest things I’ve seen in a while here. In all my years I’ve never heard labels being specified by the casino instead of the actual measurement.
But if you are in Gears hands you are in great shape, no matter what words you use.
I guess it makes sense if he hasn't shipped any chips to Gear and just wants RHC labels made. These RHCs appear to have an inner ring when the labels are removed, something I've only seen on some promos and older chips, so could see the inlay size being a bit different. Agree though that sample labels, measuring, shipping a chip, or there are other ways to skin the cat vs knowing exact chips. I also was very confused at first too, didn't make sense to me either until I followed the train down.
OP's:
Promo:
Normal:
OP's:
Promo:
Normal:
ekricket
Royal Flush
I agree with actual measurement, but you do see the step down in the normal chip vs the inner ring (OPs and Promo)?
ekricket
Royal Flush
I see a recess where the label was removed. There is a raised edge all the way around it, it’s what makes it a recess?
It sounds like Gear has a catalogue of every sized label that every casino has ever used and that’s how he decides on relabel sizes? Insane.
It sounds like OP is unsure of exactly what he has. You guys can suppose and guesstimate based on casino names, but I’m just not sure what the issue is with just actually measuring it. They are brown solids.
I'm not disagreeing, just pointing out the distinction on the chip as it's an odd one to see and good reason for folks to measure to your point vs assume there's a standard and one-size inlay for any given mold (normal RHCs would have two different recess steps if their inlays are removed vs the 1 on OPs).
I could see if people don't have calipers that it might be easier on Gear to just know the chip (assuming 95% are just relabeled IGs/Horseshoes or something), but yeah - in the end measuring does feel best (or sending one in to measure).
ekricket
Royal Flush
These are the only two ways you are going to be sure of what you are getting and ensuring everyone’s happy with the results. Anything else is guessing - maybe good guesses, maybe not. It’s always time and money for rework. Better to take minutes at the beginning and be sure otherwise you may have weeks of delay and more costly shipping stuff to and from Canada.
Colquhoun
4 of a Kind
I see it too, Cratty. In the promo chip, there is a thin groove around the inlay. If that inlay were to be removed, there would still be a thin groove and a smaller recess inside if it. There's even texture in between the groove and the inlay.
In the Players chip, it's one big recess that was used to push in the inlay...there's absolutely no thin groove at all.
Nice catch.
TL;DR
But to make sure we add our $0.02:
No third party after market label can ever replicate original Paulson's...
The manufacturing process is unique and can't be duplicated after the fact.
We know our labels will never fit perfectly, but we like to get as close as we can.
That measurement is pretty consistent in its size. (Our over labels are cut to fit that space.)
The actual inlay space the label leaves behind is not a fixed or consistent size.
We have seen on more than one occasion where the size varies, even from side to side of the same chip!
stretchy vinyl + heat (environmental or otherwise)+ pressure (during the pressing) = Inconsistent results
If we have had our hands on the chip we have the record of the measurement for future use.
You are not just paying for our labels, you are paying for our 10 years of experience and data collection to try to make the best fitting labels possible.
But to make sure we add our $0.02:
No third party after market label can ever replicate original Paulson's...
The manufacturing process is unique and can't be duplicated after the fact.
We know our labels will never fit perfectly, but we like to get as close as we can.
There is the mold recess, where the top hats get stamped and that is where the label gets placed when pressed.
That measurement is pretty consistent in its size. (Our over labels are cut to fit that space.)
The actual inlay space the label leaves behind is not a fixed or consistent size.
We have seen on more than one occasion where the size varies, even from side to side of the same chip!
stretchy vinyl + heat (environmental or otherwise)+ pressure (during the pressing) = Inconsistent results
If we have had our hands on the chip we have the record of the measurement for future use.
You are not just paying for our labels, you are paying for our 10 years of experience and data collection to try to make the best fitting labels possible.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Do you just measure one chip (I’m assuming you measure something at some point) or do you take a sample, like a barrel and measure them and take an average?
Or has this already been done somewhere (like at the factory?) and you compiled this into your data base?
I’m just thinking that somewhere at some point someone has to measure something to ensure it is the right chip that matches what’s in your database or what your customer actually has.
It depends on the situation. (like all the best answers in the world)
But it's our hands on measurements, nothing handed down from any "official" source.
We have a record of measurements of what was cut for any given chip, collected over our 10 years.
There are anomalies out there and we try to avoid them.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Just the ones you have handled through your shop or any chip?
I’m assuming you can also do a reverse search then, if I tell you the color of chip and what the inlay measurement is you can tell me what casino it came from?
Also, don’t let TheChipGuide know about this.
Just send them a single chip in the mail so they can size it.
We may not need that if the chip can be ID'ed and we have made labels for them in the past.
And if they are Paulson Promo chips we won't make labels for inlay replacement for them without having them all in hand and pricing will be more than just label application.
I assume this is because there is more than the usual variation in the Promo chips?
@Blumbus Given that only maniacs on PCF murder chips, surely either the person you bought these from or whoever sold them to that person knows what they were, right?
These?
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/160-x-leaded-maroon-rhc-murdered-sheratons-210.129602/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...-murdered-sheratons-w-pca-frac-option.127034/
Appear to have been sold by @redstar who bought them from @VMR911
Same quantity sold by @aggie in 2022:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/leaded-solid-bricks-grey-thc-maroon-rhc.87211/
And @Thomacetti alluded in 2020 to having 160 inlay-removed maroon Sheratons:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/winter-cleaning.66419/post-1326325
I’m starting to enjoy tracing these chips’ genealogy…
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/160-x-leaded-maroon-rhc-murdered-sheratons-210.129602/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...-murdered-sheratons-w-pca-frac-option.127034/
Appear to have been sold by @redstar who bought them from @VMR911
Same quantity sold by @aggie in 2022:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/leaded-solid-bricks-grey-thc-maroon-rhc.87211/
And @Thomacetti alluded in 2020 to having 160 inlay-removed maroon Sheratons:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/winter-cleaning.66419/post-1326325
I’m starting to enjoy tracing these chips’ genealogy…
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ekricket
Royal Flush
Sounds like you don’t have a complete database of every chip (I wouldn’t expect that!!) - just what you have handled.
Also it looks like? you measure stuff like promo chips, even if you have handled them before, just to make sure.
I’d advise the casual player wanting labels to always measure, there’s a lot of wonky stuff out there from established manufacturers, even Paulson. Rework is the worst kind of work.
But if everyone says measurements are useless, and you should just rely on incomplete databases (based on measurements I hope), well who am I to disagree with the herdthink?
Aaaand here is a Thomacetti sale thread of 160 mint Sheraton “B” Roulettes with the labels still on:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/eu-sheraton-roulettes-mint-rhc.55208/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/eu-sheraton-roulettes-mint-rhc.55208/
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Yep. those are the ones. My seller bought them from @VMR911
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