Faded Spades WPT special edition and four color + Restock? (7 Viewers)
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That is the rubb....They never made those in jumbo index but were advertising using that very pic
Anyone who asked every game and had to be told to look at the chip again each time would not last long on my invite list.
I’ll just add that for my first four or five years of playing poker, I played almost exclusively in social hall tournaments, which almost always used undenominated (dice) chips.
The players in these games — especially in firehouse and Legion Hall-type games were generally more elderly and unsophisticated players. Just there to see flops and try to make hands.
But even those players did not need denominations. They just went but the colors (white 100, red 500, etc.)
Sometimes someone would sit down at the start and have to ask how much they were each worth, but that was pretty much it.
My point: If they could manage it, anyone could.
The other way most players learn or are reminded of values is by watching what everyone else is doing. If someone says “make it 700” and throws in one purple and two black chips, it doesn’t take a genius to see that the purple is 500 and the blacks 100 each.
Plus if you get 25K chips for a tourney or $500 for a cash game, you should be able to figure out the values just by sizing up the stacks you got.
The four-color card thing as I’ve said before is like when your local newspaper redesigns its front page which has looked the same for 30+ years. A certain number of readers are going to hate it no matter how much clearer and more readable the design is. But the redesign usually is better, and the paper would be craven to bow to pressure to go back to the old look.
Yes, of course card designers should strive to pick shades of four colors which are as differentiated as possible.
But I go back to the point I made before — if blue and green are hard to tell apart, how about black and black?
jamesjkim
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I think it’s more about the suit association with the respective color than it is just the color.
Black = spade or club. Fairly simple and without question - very black and white (or red
).But blue/green is, “is that blue or green?” more than it is “is that spade or club” if that makes sense. More colors add an unnecessary element to the game for those that suffer colorblindness - they’ll tend to focus more on the (uncertainty of the) color than the suit.
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GeeOhVee
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Ahhhhh hahaha, didn't catch that.
Phyffe
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As to that, I would say its because you grew up with those suits and have been playing with them for decades. I, for example, grew up playing the standard Bicycle. Safe to say that even that no one would complain of mistaking those very familiar suits unless you were already half blind.
Its when you start using jumbo indexes with different suit designs that people get confused.
Take Desjgns, for example. I consider them to be the best in terms of feel to price, but their retro-style suits kinda turn me off since its so different from what I'm used to. I much prefer Modiano's jumbo suit designs, but that's just me. Most members voted for Desjgn's font design when I made a poll before.
I 100% agree with this... you hit the nail on the head. No one has ever been able to make a serious cogent argument as to why a deck with 4 suit colors would be inferior to a deck with only 2 suit colors. The whole "they're bad for colorblindness" claim is complete and total nonsense since every traditional 2 color deck already has that exact same problem. I'm convinced that the people who complain about it are the same people who will complain about anything and everything just for the sake of trolling.
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Tonystark137
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Devil's advocate. If it was a black and white argument on which is better and if four color decks were better ; I'm sure the billion dollar casinoa that spend millions on research on customer retention and other ways to keep gambler gambling would have switch. The law of supply and demand dictates that the red/black is more popular.
There's nothing wrong with 4 color decks.
There's nothing wrong with 2 color decks.
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Tonystark137
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There two things wrong with two color decks.
1. The clubs and spades are the same color.
2. The diamonds and hearts are the same color.
I can't think of any other designed product for which the designer would say: “We’ve got four key operative parts on this thing. Users need to correctly recognize and differentiate each part in order to use them properly. But let’s not give them each a unique color, because encouraging mistakes by the user makes the experience better.”
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Tonystark137
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What about black and GOLD?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fadedspade/phil-hellmuth-poker-brat-collectible-playing-cards
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fadedspade/phil-hellmuth-poker-brat-collectible-playing-cards
The economist in me sees what you are saying. But the logician in me would point out that popularity has never implied superiority. We have a huge number of historical examples where some type of clearly inferior product won the popularity contest over their superior competitor due to various reasons.
I would also go a step further and point out that, as @Taghkanic had mentioned, 2-color decks currently have the advantage of being thought of as "traditional." And so the popularity edge that they enjoy right now is almost assuredly due to many people's preference for traditional or classic things. But traditions and consumer preferences can - and do - change over time. Plus people's tastes are very often a regional phenomenon to begin with. As an example, here in the US we have a very clear preference for cards with indices in only 2 corners of the card, whereas much of Europe seems to favor cards with indices in all 4 corners of the card.
And in the world of online poker, which is something that didn't even really exist 20 years ago, I have seen credible claims stating that it is becoming increasingly popular for people to opt for 4-color decks within their GUI. If that is true, and keep in mind that we are still in the relative infancy of online poker, then just imagine what things might look like another 10, 20, or even 30 years from now. It very well may be the case by then that 4-color decks are thought of as being "the norm" or "the classic deck" at that point.
As for casinos, contrary to popular belief they actually tend to be rather conservative businesses at heart. So they are typically going to provide their players with whatever style of cards roughly align with player preferences in that local market. But of course, as we've already established, only time will tell if people's current preferences remain the same or change in the future. In the meantime, I do wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment below. LOL
GeeOhVee
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Got some Faded Spade WPT coming... will report soon.
Well said.
And just consider how often casinos—despite having access to the full range of Paulson options—lazily opt for bland chip and inlay designs.
It’s not even that they are cheaping out. They just fail to exercise good taste and creativity, because some middle management guy can’t be bothered to educate him/herself, or to put in more than the bare minimum effort.
Hell, most casinos won’t even invest the small cost of cleaning their filthy chips.
Crazy considering how crucial chips are to everything which occurs in a casino.
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