Tangiers and the Quest for a Tina Hybrid Faux Inlay (3 Viewers)

[thegioserg]

Magnificent! Is there an example of the edge spots?

 

[dizzyChipper]

Magnificent! Is there an example of the edge spots?

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/tangiers-casino-exclusive-world-release.131080/

 

[justincarothers]

The group buy is up!

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/tangiers-casino-exclusive-world-release.131080/

 

[Kam]

The group buy is up!

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/tangiers-casino-exclusive-world-release.131080/

 

[Mise]

We do not know. So far tariffs have not been imposed on any shipments. If there is a tariff it should be small. The bill of lading from China is usually at $.05 per chip.

While the tariffs certainly would apply, it's most likely just getting passed through customs assuming it's a low-cost personal package and not worth the time to deal with duty fees. It's possible that the applicable HS codes were not used. The current duty on goods from China is about 50% so it's possible that customs agents will start to be more stringent even on perceived small-value packages.

 

[LeGold]

While the tariffs certainly would apply, it's most likely just getting passed through customs assuming it's a low-cost personal package and not worth the time to deal with duty fees. It's possible that the applicable HS codes were not used. The current duty on goods from China is about 50% so it's possible that customs agents will start to be more stringent even on perceived small-value packages.

We're talking about a tens-of-thousands-chips shipment here. Hardly something that can be considered low-cost personal...

 

[Mise]

We're talking about a tens-of-thousands-chips shipment here. Hardly something that can be considered low-cost personal...

That's exactly what I mean. So many "small" packages (as in not a full 40' shipping container) just get passed through without inspection. I would not be surprised if that starts changing soon. These shipments should be subject to a 54% import duty (tariff) now, before Apr2 it was 34% so if that wasn't being collected then it certainly was just passed through without inspection.

 

[LeLe]

These shipments should be subject to a 54% import duty (tariff) now

Tina declares them at 5c each, even if they are subject to the 54% tax. That's only 3c in additional to the 47c GB price per chip now.

It more of a 5.4% difference rather than 54% differences.

 

[Mise]

Tina declares them at 5c each, even if they are subject to the 54% tax. That's only 3c in additional to the 47c GB price per chip now.

It more of a 5.4% difference rather than 54% differences.

Which could be seen as tax fraud. I guess if all the government workers are getting fired that they're unlikely to have the manpower to investigate, but one should still exercise caution to not be exposed to legal liability trying to save a few bucks. Just don't sign your name to something you know to be inaccurate.

 

[ekricket]

Tina declares them at 5c each, even if they are subject to the 54% tax. That's only 3c in additional to the 47c GB price per chip now.

It more of a 5.4% difference rather than 54% differences.

That’s most likely their actual manufacturing cost. Shipping and a couple middlemen (fair they should get paid for their effort) taxes, tariffs, bribes, etc… probably push it up in the end.

 

[LeGold]

That’s most likely their actual manufacturing cost. Shipping and a couple middlemen (fair they should get paid for their effort) taxes, tariffs, bribes, etc… probably push it up in the end.

Sure, but import is still taxed on the amount paid. In theory at least, when everything is done legally.

 

[fishandchips]

Can't speak to USA law (welcome to the world of import taxes guys) but in UK the liability is on the importer. So you may think you are getting away with it if your supplier fills the forms in wrong, but our tax collector (HMRC) has a long reach, including into the past.

 

[panthershutch15]

Any stack pics of the pink chip? I've searched around a bit and didn't see one. Thanks!

 

[dizzyChipper]

Agreed that it's time for more rendered chip porn here or on GB thread.

 

[UncleMilty]

Can't speak to USA law (welcome to the world of import taxes guys) but in UK the liability is on the importer. So you may think you are getting away with it if your supplier fills the forms in wrong, but our tax collector (HMRC) has a long reach, including into the past.

You are 100% on point how it’s supposed to be done here by law.

 

[luckycat]

A few more questions about options @Cratty @justincarothers

• Will there be customization possibilities? If so, what might this look like?
  • Eg, is textured inlay possible?
  • What about changing the $25 to $20 denom?
  • Is no mold an option?
  • The reason I ask about $20 is for the smaller stakes sets. I recognize not all denoms can satisfy everyone but changing the $25 does strike me as a subtle change that makes a big difference for $20 vs. $100 buy ins for cash games.
• Will a DB option be possible at the same time of the set purchase?

I’m considering gifting a small set for my cousin, looking forward to this. Thanks y’all

Don't see any issue with any of the above options (textured inlay, $20, alt mold). I will also have a dealer button ready - yep!

My intention is to also setup the art files to make customization a bit easier as well (e.g. chip color/inlay shape changes), but we'll have to see there.

Do I understand correctly that a $20 chip requires the round label? That seems clear from the group buy thread, but just wanted to double check after reading this and I really like the shaped label . Thanks @Cratty for this great work.

 

[justincarothers]

Do I understand correctly that a $20 chip requires the round label? That seems clear from the group buy thread, but just wanted to double check after reading this and I really like the shaped label . Thanks @Cratty for this great work.

Yes, only the listed shaped labels are available. Any different labels will have to be round

 

[luckycat]

You might want to look at some of the threads/resources here on PCF that discuss all the various starting stack options for cash games and tournament games. As others have said, once you start to really think about it there actually is a logic behind why certain chip denomination combos do - or do not - work well. And even if you think that a particular starting stack works well for your group, there is very likely a different starting stack combination that will work even better and produce even more enjoyable games for you guys. Just off the top of my head here are a few things you might want to check out:

PCF Poker Set Selection Tool
https://docs.google.com/presentatio...CxPxCk4t2iMOW68c94QQaEgquQ/present?slide=id.p

PCF Poker Chip Calculator
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/pcf/poker-chip-calculator/

Starting Stack, Breakdown, & Structure Video by PCF member Chris Manzoni

Good opportunity to teach your group how to bank and player the more common way.

That's how many of us started. My first set also had 10c, 20c, 50c, $1, $2, $5 etc because I wanted to have lots of cool designs. But it's complete bullshit and really makes no sense at all.
And usually hardly anyone in the group is interested in what we chippers do. They play with what they get from us and adapt quickly.

Thanks to all who provided suggestions to me, and especially to @Cratty and @justincarothers for all the work. I just posted in the order thread. I ended up ordering:
Cash (all Round inlay), 800 total chips:
300 x 5c
300 x 25c
125 x $1
50 x $5
25 x $20.

Yeah, its a lot of 5c and 25c, but I think that will suit my micro-cash group, 5c ante, $20 buyin with lots of limping, spread-limit stud, very little holdem, and gives some option for expanding the stakes a bit. We just play for friendly fun and until now included 10c and 50c chips. So I'll now go with the recommended denoms. I was torn between keeping the beautiful shaped inlay design chips, or picking my favorite colors with round labels which otherwise couldn't get into this low denom set. Opted for the colors/round labels.